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@roronuffy said:
I think you mean Kizaru, but I'd say BB takes this. He's had two years now to master two DF and even before that he was on par with WB's strongest crew members. Plus he scarred Shanks' face and was enough of a threat that Shanks warned WB not to send Ace after him. I think two years to train with two of the most powerful DF's is enough for him to take Kizaru.
Crap i mean Kizaru, lol.
Pre timeskip Powerscale
Marco > Kizaru = Aokiji = Jozu > Vista = Doflamingo = Mihawk > Ace = Blackbeard
Blackbeard was Ace level, which is weaker than Vista which is weaker than Jozu which is weaker than Marco.
wait what? what did Marco do to put him anywhere near an admiral?
Winning versus an admiral before one of the strongest vice admirals blinsided him while the two were fighting. Marco had the clear advantage against Kizaru.
Being listed along the yonkou as someone who had the ability to stop blackbeard.
marco never won against anyone, those little skirmishes doesnt count as real fights, he didnt put a single scratch on an amdiral. all marco did was block kizarus attack and getting stomped by Garp. he was mentioned by the Gorosei because he now leads the wb pirates not because of individual strength.
1) Garp is potentially stronger than Whitebeard due to the fact that they rivaled in strength in their prime and whitebeard had to deal with sickness AND a stab wound in the battle at marineford.
2) Kizaru and Marco fought for all of like 10 seconds and Marco had the clear advantage, also Marco > Jozu and Jozu was Aokiji's match until Marco was double teamed and Jozu turned his attention to Marco and then was hit. You seem to either not remember how the battles went down or you are avoiding the facts because you don't want what I'm saying to be true.
3) Garp did the same thing to Marco that Marco did to Kizaru so you can't say Garp stomped Marco without saying that Marco stomped Kizaru.
I consider Jozu the normal yonkou first mate strength and Marco is stronger due to being Whitebeard's first mate and being a special exception.
and then marco teamed up with vista and they couldnt put a single scratch on Akainu with a combined haki imbued attack....... and btw: Jozu at least was capable of hurting an admiral lol (yeah i know sucker punch boohoo)
marco is not on admiral level, i dont care about his df-hype, he simply doesnt have the feats
1) Akainu is beyond a doubt the strongest admiral
2) Marco and Vista had just lost a loved one and their spirit was massively broken, spirit and focus are two things directly related to haki ability which that clash was ENTIRELY based on
3) Haki ability variances don't mean strength variances, luffy was beating haki users before he had it himself.
4) Who said their attacks failed? Akainu wasn't dead but he was cut into pretty heavily, he's a logia so he can revive back, also it's not like when both attacked it was Vista + Marco's haki versus Akainu's haki, both attacks were independent but at the same time.
Aokiji suckerpunched Jozu when he was distracted.
Marco had the clear advantage against Kizaru.
Everyone at marineford lacks feats, jozu vs aokiji, vista vs mihawk, and marco vs kizaru were mainly off panel and not shown, we actually only saw a few seconds of each of their fights before ultimately other things happened. I mean in the manga akainu and whitebeard barely actually fought, I mean aokiji and kizaru each only attacked whitebeard once before running away to fight someone else.
Marineford shouldn't be taken as "oh look, this is good showings" as much as "oh these are the top dogs and this is how they compare versus each other"
So yeah, your argument kind of falls apart, marco was grabbed by a vice admiral who is apparetly one of the strongest vice admirals and he didn't know he was there and was distracted by kizaru, all that states is that characters of top tier status can be blindsided by decent enough characters, I mean crocodile almost blindsided whitebeard before luffy fought him off and none of the whitebeard pirates or admirals were the wiser because they weren't paying attention. Is pre timeskip crocodile > whitebeard by the logic?
Jozu was untouched and both him and aokiji were more bantering back and forth while fighting and being unable to hurt each other without blinsided each other (jozu in entrance and aokiji when jozu got clearly distracted and looked away mid fight, which kizaru remarked was a clear mistake, so it's pretty damn clear that's why he was beat), it took marco getting double teamed with seastone handcuffs from a vice admiral who surprised him from behind (probably the strongest non garp vice admiral as well) and kizaru.
Marco had a minor advantage against Kizaru, Jozu and Aokiji were equal, Doflamingo had a disadvantage against Aokiji, Vista is seen as lower than jozu who is admiral level. Vista was standstilling Mihawk and him being the best swordsman in title doesn't mean anything since Vista and Mihawk haven't fought before.
So it's safe to assume that since Marco is higher ranked than jozu and had an advantage versus kizaru that he's > admiral, though maybe not akainu, most likely a substantial gap post skip since akainu is being led up to be the final villain of luffy even after eos blackbeard.
Jozu proved he's admiral level.
Vista is lower than jozu so he and mihawk are lower than admiral level. Doflamingo is somewhere around that level since he proved capable of fighting admirals but not of actually matching them, he might be weaker than vista and mihawk but he's likely in their range if not on par with them.
so there you go.
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