Kit Fisto vs Darth Maul

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Fisto, I am suprised no one commented. Some shiio-chio action should give Fisto the ability to hold his own.

LOL, nobody commented for a 1 1/3 of a year?

Actually, either could win, I guess I'll choose Fisto for now since he's preferred form is effective against multiple blades (as shown against Grievous). But it's also weak to a single target, or single blade. But I highly doubt Maul would simply deactivate one of his blades.

I give this to Fisto, mostly because the feats that i have seen for Maul, aren't terribly impressive.

Fisto.

Bump!

I see them as virtual equals, with Maul holding an edge due to form advantage, and superior power. Good fight, though.

Maul wins. Close fight.

huh?

Did fisto get some new hype or feat I'm missing here?

edit: nvm, thought this was sod maul

Well if you go by Nick Gillard Fisto is a tier 7, while Maul is a tier 8, but I personally only attribute his statements to the Movies.

Even so Maul should win in a good fight regardless. Based on feats and accolades Fisto should be a Qui-Gon Jinn level duelist, which isn't bad at all. He lost convincingly to Ventress, but keep in mind Ventress's chosen form is Makashi, which is a horrible match up for Shii-Cho. His Shii-Cho combined with " Moves a Twilek dancer might envy" might be a problem for the saberstaff, though if Maul turns one blade off(he's known to abandon his regular move set when his opponent gets the upper-hand) or if Fisto cuts it and one or more blade remains functioning, Maul wins without a doubt.

Maul

LMFAO. Kit's a tier seven, Maul's a tier 8. Kit got trounced by Pre-Prime Ventress, Maul wrecked Anoon Bondara and manhandled Kenobi+Jinn, the latter of which being a Fisto level duelist. Maul wins, and it's not exactly close.

@thesithmaster:

LMFAO. Kit's a tier seven,

Really? Did Gillard say that?I'm actually interested.

Maul's a tier 8. Kit got trounced by Pre-Prime Ventress, Maul wrecked Anoon Bondara and manhandled Kenobi+Jinn, the latter of which being a Fisto level duelist. Maul wins, and it's not exactly close.

Jinn shouldn't be Fisto tier tbh. I do agree that Maul wins solidly though.

@hittheassasin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2-iZNQrFBA

15:10 is where he starts ranking the characters.

Maul after a good fight.

Maul wins.

@hittheassasin:

When I started, I figured that a youngling is a level one. And somebody like Kit Fisto- seven.

Nick Gillard

There ya go.

Jinn shouldn't be Fisto tier tbh.

He should. Fisto has some pretty nice accolades:

I have chosen four of our best. Master Tiin, Master Kolar, and Master Fisto are all here, in the Temple. They are preparing already.

Anakin, why? The Masters are the best of the Order. What can you possibly do?

Palpatine faced Mace and Agen and Kit and Saesee- four of the greatest swordsmen our Order has ever produced.

Revenge of the Sith novel

But Qui-Gon has basically the same.

A Jedi Master who was known as one of the Order's most formidable members, but his recklessness and his devotion to bizarre causes kept him from becoming a member of the Jedi Council.

Jinn was generally regarded as one of the best pure swordsmen the Order had ever seen.

The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Qui-Gon Jinn was one of the most able swordsmen in the Jedi order.

The Phantom Menace novel

And Qui-Gon was much better than Anoon Bondara, someone whose skills were considered to be unparalleled. It's false, of course, but the fact that he was considered to be that means he is at least in the top 10 of the Order.

Renowned for his skill with the lightsaber, Jedi Master Anoon Bondara is regarded by many of his peers and all of his apprentices as a role model whose combat prowess is unmatched in the Jedi Order. Bondara would disagree with this assessment. During his tenure at the Jedi Temple on Coruscant, he spars with superior lightsaber duelists such as Qui-Gon Jinn and Mace Windu. Although he humbles himself when compared to their skill, Bondara's prowess is nonetheless considerable.

Jedi Academy: Training Manual

He should be right on Kit's level. But Qui-Gon, a Fisto level duelist, was manhandled by Maul, even with Obi-Wan for backup. Yeah, Kenobi's a Padawan, but he's already one of the best among the Order. Hence why I think Maul wins this, in a fight that isn't close at all.

This didn't need a bump at all.

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thesithmasterBut Qui-Gon, a Fisto level duelist, was manhandled by Maul, even with Obi-Wan for backup. Yeah, Kenobi's a Padawan, but he's already one of the best among the Order. Hence why I think Maul wins this, in a fight that isn't close at all

I wouldn't say manhandled. TPM Maul is decisively superior to Jinn, but only by a small amount. In there first encounter Maul was unsettled by how well Jinn anticipated his flying maneuver and was ditching his usual style in seconds. In the first portion Qui-Gon was matching his strength, rhythm, ferocity, and his strikes were coming too close for comfort. He was at least stalemating Maul at this point, if not holding a slight advantage. Of course this do in part to Maul's injury, but lets not oversell it, even Maul admitted that it was barely perceptible, only mildly hindering. That fight was close and if Fisto is Jinns level, which you admitted, he should be able to put up a solid fight before going down.

tpm maul, should be a good fight though

You would know wouldn't you?

@foxerdes: Maybe decisive is too strong a contrast. Maul's definitely superior to Jinn, but only by a small amount. How's that work?

@kilius:

I wouldn't say manhandled.

What would you say, then?

TPM Maul is decisively superior to Jinn, but only by a small amount.

If you're decisively superior to someone, you aren't superior to them by a small amount.

In there first encounter Maul was unsettled by how well Jinn anticipated his flying maneuver and was ditching his usual style in seconds. In the first portion Qui-Gon was matching his strength, rhythm, ferocity, and his strikes were coming too close for comfort. He was at least stalemating Maul at this point, if not holding a slight advantage.

When Maul had a bad injury that outright slowed him down.

Without the injury:

Jinn had TPM Kenobi for backup. TPM Kenobi is already one of the best among the Order. That didn't stop this from happening, though.

Maul casually throws and kicks Jinn around. And in the beginning of the fight

Maul worked his way through them, easily, and was more skilled than both Jinn and Kenobi.

The Sith Lord was supple and quick, and he worked his way between the Jedi with ease, whipping his two-ended lightsaber back and forth between them, more than holding his own against their efforts to bring him down. He was skilled, Anakin saw- more skilled, perhaps, than the men he faced.

Maul drove both Jedi back.

Anakin had a momentray glimpse of the Sith Lord driving the Jedi across the hangar and through an opening into a room beyond, pressing them backward relentlessly, pursuing them with a fury that was terrifying.

Maul is driving both Jedi back and being described as a spectator to be more skilled than both his opponents. The Jedi only held their own when working as a team.. They did nothing more. Well, they tried to attack, but they failed bad.

Together, they were able to hold their own against the Sith Lord, but their efforts at attack, at assuming the offensive against this dangerous adversary, were woefully inadequate.

Then, the Jedi tried to attack. Yes, Maul was backing off, but only because he felt like it. He was controlling the struggle, and leading the fight to a location of his own choice, per Qui-Gon's own admission. With "astonishing ease", Maul continues to fight, nullifying their counterattacks while replying with attacks of his own.

The three combatants fought their way across the hangar floor, lightsabers flashing, bringing to bear every skill they had acquired over the years. The Jedi Knights tried continually to press the attack, and indeed, the Sith Lord was moving away from the Naboo and the starfighters and back toward the hangar's far wall. But Qui-Gon recognized that while it might seem as if the Jedi were driving him before them, it was the Sith Lord who was controlling the struggle. Wheeling and spinning, leaping and somersaulting with astonishing ease, their enemy was taking them with him, drawing them on to a place of his own choosing. His agility and dexterity allowed him to keep them both at bay, constantly attacking while at the same time effectively blunting their counterattacks, relentlessly searching for an opening in their defense.

Then they continued attacking, but their efforts weren't enough. They tried to find an opening, but could not.

So they challenged the Sith Lord quickly, and just as quickly discovered that their best efforts were not good enough to achieve an early resolution. They settled into a pattern then, working as a team against their enemy, waiting for an opening. But the Sith Lord was too smart to give them one, and so the battle had gone on.

The Jedi gained the environmental advantage, pinning Maul between them and leaving him with no space to manuever.

The Jedi followed, one coming up in front of him, one behind, so that they had him pinned between them.

Even then, Maul kicked Obi-Wan away. Qui-Gon landed a hit on Maul. That, however, was due to the environment advantage, forcing Maul to leave himself open in order to get out of that mess.

Then Darth Maul caught Obi-Wan off balance and with a powerful kick knocked the Jedi completely over the railing. Taking advantage over the Sith Lord's assault on Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon forced Darth Maul over the railing as well.

The Phantom Menace novel

This is the 2v1 from the novel. Maul clearly won. And from the movie, Maul also landed a hit on Obi-Wan before the separation kick.

Jinn wasn't exactly manhandled, but he was still solidly defeated, when he had one of the Order's best fighters for backup. Just to put the nail in the coffin, Maul's form (Juyo) is weak against multiple opponents. Which put him at a style disadvantage.

Multiple opponents can overwhelm a Juyo master by exploiting moment's vulnerability.

The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force

If Maul trounced a duo that was composed of a Fisto level duelist and another very good fighter, no way Maul vs Fisto is close, tbh.

@thesithmaster: I like how you neglected to quote the passage that has Qui-Gon fighting Maul on equal terms, before succumbing to fatigue.

@kiadisandwich:

Qui-Gon never fought Maul on even terms. It seemed like he did. But Maul was letting himself be on the defensive. As the novel shows, Maul was making a mockery of Qui-Gon when Jinn had Kenobi for backup.

Maul stomps. Kit Fisto was fodderized by Palpatine.

@wokeupandturned:

So was a better version of Maul under the influence of a rage amp when Sidious was holding back.

Maul isn't stomping Kit.

Nu uh! My bumps are the best.

Sidious was nearly overwhelmed by Maul.

Kit gets fodderized again.

Maul would also get fodderized by Palpatine. A superior version of Maul was still child's play for Palpatine.

Palpatine was nearly defeated by Maul.

@wokeupandturned: No he wasn't.

He was.

@wokeupandturned:

Sidious was nearly overwhelmed by Maul.

Didn't happen. Their 1v1 was 20 seconds long. When Maul was enraged at the death of his brother.

And when Sidious was toying:

And when Sidious lost his patience:

At the end of the day, with Sidious, nobody was really going to be able to touch him. He had to be the strongest, most dangerous guy. And you could see at a certain point, he just puts his lightsabers away at the end of the fight and says, “I’m done with this,” and goes in and mauls Maul, so to speak.

Dave Filoni

So no, Maul didn't nearly overwhelm Palpatine. He just landed a kick on Palps, which had no effect and is nothing compared to this, which was done while Palpy was toying with them.

Once the Dark Lord stopped toying:

Kit doesn't get stomped, nor did Maul nearly overwhelm Sidious.

@wokeupandturned: After four years, this "Maul was a threat to Palpatine" nonsense is still going on? Jesus Christ. Just read this, and admit you're wrong:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/silver2467/blog/darth-sidious-vs-darth-maul-and-savage-opress-what/125235/

Sidious absolutely curbstomped Maul and Savage with zero effort. That's an an undeniable fact. And no, I'm not just saying it's a fact because I think that; I'm saying it because it actually is a fact stated by multidudes of canonical sources and repeated by the creator of the show himself on numerous occasions. Saying otherwise is willful ignorance and being in denial of facts.

@azronger: He didn't curb stomp them, he beat them low-mid diff. But you are right that Maul isn't a threat to him. Palp would win 10/10.

Yeah, Palpatine didn't curbstomp them. But he still manhandled them with ease.

@alextheboss: Yes he did. Or did you not see him pinning them to the wall and making their best efforts to break free look like a joke, while laughing about it as if it were an actual joke? Did you not get the implication that he could have killed them both without exerting any effort whatsoever, just by snapping his fingers? That is a curbstomp, no two ways about it.

@azronger:

Yes he did. Or did you not see him pinning them to the wall and making their best efforts to break free look like a joke,

Did you see the deleted scene where Maul pinned Palpatine against the wall?

while laughing about it as if it were an actual joke?

He also laughed while attacking Yoda

Did you not get the implication that he could have killed them both without exerting any effort whatsoever, just by snapping his fingers?

He can't do this if that's what you mean

That is a curbstomp, no two ways about it.

He was playing with them and he could of blitzed Savage, but that fight at the end with Maul was serious.

@alextheboss: deleted scenes aren't canon, and several sources have stated that Sidious was toying with the duo. To argue otherwise would be an indication of bias.

@thesithmaster:

"He drove Darth Maul backward about the rim of the overhang, keeping the Sith Lord constantly on the defensive, pressing in on him steadily. Qui-Gon Jinn might no longer be young, but he was still powerful. Darth Maul's ragged face took on a frenzied look, and the glitter of his strange eyes brightened with uncertainty."

...

"Then Darth Maul flipped across the melting pit, giving himself some space in which to recover, gaining just enough time to assume a new battle stance. Qui-Gon was on him in an instant, covering the distance separating them in a rush, hammering into the Sith Lord anew. But he was beginning to weary now from carrying the battle alone."

Source: TPM novel.

As you can see, Qui-Gon is his equal in regards to technical skill, and is only undermined by his stamina. And you can't claim that Qui-Gon "seemed" to be fighting as his equal, as for one, the passage contradicts that notion, and two--Obi-Wan, who is directly stated as Qui-Gon's inferior, was fighting as Maul's near-equal mere pages later.

Maul stomps

I know, but that is proof the writters don't think pinning someone against the wall means you can insta stomp them. Sidious was toying with them, but at the end Sidious went semi serious. As I said he can win maybe around low difficulty, but it isn't a curb stomp.

@kiadisandwich:

The novel clearly states Maul was working his way with confidence through Jinn AND Kenobi, not to mention him driving both Jedi back and landing physical hits for fun. Maul was beating BOTH Jedi. Maul>Jinn AND Kenobi. Don't see how Jinn can equal Maul when he was losing to the Sith even with his Padawan for backup.

ROFL at this not being close.

Both TPM Obi Wan and Qui Gon were formidable opponents to Maul. Maul was decisively better than them individually, but it is directly, and objectively stated that Maul wasn't above both of them combined, and I really don't care how arrogant Maul was in that fight.

Kit Fisto is slightly ahead of AoTC Obi in dueling, and if one suggests that this matchup isn't close, they are either ridiculously misinformed, or straight up wanking Maul.

Also, Sidious was "canonically" toying with Maul till the very end. Even after Savage was killed, and Maul went one off with him, Sidious was still toying with him. It is directly stated as such.

And deleted scenes being used as evidence, that's the height of it. Maybe the reason they were deleted is because they were too ridiculous to make any kind of sense?