Kisame Hoshigaki vs Jimbei

@ghost_rider1 said:

@Rumble Man

@PrinceAragorn1:

And, speed force allows flash to steal speeds of every DC character, right? Does that mean he should do it to every marvel character also?

why not, flash has stolen speed from those lacking speed force

@ghost_rider1:

Should also include no haki crush and chakra crush (as in genjutsu/stab)

I don't think kisame have any genjutsu feats at all.

Course he doesn't lol he has a partner who's master in Genjutsu, who's enough even for akatsuki.. He's more of a traditional bar brawler type..

@PrinceAragorn1:

Strong will? that opens the way to haki but not everybody is born with special haki (like king's haki is only one in a few) which Jimbei does not have. It is necessary to learn against haki, in terms of CoO and its beast taming abilities. Raikage and deidara have resistance to genjutsu .

@Dredeuced: Has he fought a ghost yet?

kinetic energy = movement (ghosts move)

@Rumble Man said:

@PrinceAragorn1:

Strong will? that opens the way to haki but not everybody is born with special haki (like king's haki is only one in a few) which Jimbei does not have. It is necessary to learn against haki, in terms of CoO and its beast taming abilities. Raikage and deidara have resistance to genjutsu .

I'm talking about the more offensive haki, like emperor's haki. Jimbei doesn't pass out because of his strong will (or because he's one of the developed characters lol). Luffy, without any training was standing in front of white beard and even yelling "I'm the one who's going to be the pirate king!" (my favourite moment in op.. priceless lol) I'm not sure what do you mean by "resistance to genjutsu". One was owned by itachi in their first meeting and second by madara when he had those 5 clone vs one kage match ups. Yes, Genjutsu can be resisted, but high tier ones are around impossible to resist. Like Tsukuyomi/Shishui's one..

@PrinceAragorn1: To withstand haki one must have it, like Jimbe did

Raikage resisted sasuke's though, point still valid

@Rumble Man said:

@PrinceAragorn1: To withstand haki one must have it, like Jimbe did

Raikage resisted sasuke's though, point still valid

Wasn't it "over riding the wills of weak willed?"

Yes, Raikage is a kage, deidara is an akatsuki. They're both members of the "top good guys" and "top bad guys".. I'd say it's safe to presume they've the required training to resist genjutsu.. and considering deidara was all about getting back at itachi, it's natural for him to train against genjutsu. and anyway, I didn't say genjutsu couldn't be resisted. Sasuke's genjutsu are like child's play compared to master level ones..

@PrinceAragorn1: In equivalency Genjutsu can be overridden w Haki

@Rumble Man: considering genjutsu isn't broken through will power, I'd say no. But even if we take that as true, I don't think any op character has the power to resist top tier Genjutsu. Not like they're too outstanding in raw power anyway. like they have earth shaking power ups of goku etc. (Those are the only guys I could see breaking through greater genjutsu through raw force)

@PrinceAragorn1: WB can or any of the big guys, and as you mentioned before it depends on their sheer mental fortitude. (on character)

I would say zoro has a high resistance based on some of his feats

On Topic: Jinbe Wins

@Rumble Man said:

@PrinceAragorn1: WB can or any of the big guys, and as you mentioned before it depends on their sheer mental fortitude. (on character)

I would say zoro has a high resistance based on some of his feats

On Topic: Jinbe Wins

Sure they can. I can see wb resisting genjutsu.. but tsukuyomi one shots any character from op/bleach/naruto. maybe yamamoto could break out. But no one else is.

@PrinceAragorn1: thing is they need eye contact or finger point as mechanism (Itachi)

@Rumble Man: Not going to a problem. Lol I've yet to see an anime where characters fight without eye contact.. and finger point is too damn easy..

@PrinceAragorn1: Speed...

Bleach chars > Naruto

OP > Naruto

lets end discussion here.

(we are way off topic)

@Rumble Man:

You could say so. But Naruto's speed has escalated since the Pein battle. The charts were like Db>>bleach>>op>naruto.

Now they're like Db>>bleach>op>=naruto. considering the high tiers in speed like minato. Anyway,as you say, we're off topic.

Giving Jimbei 6-7/10

@PrinceAragorn1: Minato = teleporter

Jinbei

@Rumble Man: He is also the unchallenged fastest ninja (and raikage was saying he could get minato with his top speed even if he teleports :o)..

@PrinceAragorn1: fastest my ass, naruto has more speed feats than his old decrepit mug

@Rumble Man said:

@PrinceAragorn1: fastest my ass, naruto has more speed feats than his old decrepit mug

You need some sleep lol

@PrinceAragorn1: Can't waiting for UFC Silva vs Stann

@PrinceAragorn1: fastest my ass, naruto has more speed feats than his old decrepit mug

@Rumble Man said:

@PrinceAragorn1: Can't waiting for UFC Silva vs Stann

Not whether you can/can't.. I was saying you need it.

@ghost_rider1: what evidence

@PrinceAragorn1: its a saturday

@Rumble Man said:

@ghost_rider1: what evidence

@PrinceAragorn1: its a saturday

Doesn't change anything.

@ghost_rider1: what evidence

@PrinceAragorn1: its a saturday

Jimbei wins.

@The Stegman said:

I swear, these Naruto vs One Piece battles always end in "What is Chakra anyway?" debates.

Semantics at its best.

Jinbei

@OmgOmgWtfWtf said:

@The Stegman said:

I swear, these Naruto vs One Piece battles always end in "What is Chakra anyway?" debates.

Semantics at its best.

Funny how when everything is equalized they start discrediting 'non-chakra'

@Rumble Man: Another thing which confuses me is when people say Minato stops time when he teleports. I don't know where people get these random facts from. I think people are mistaking the concept of space-time continuum, with time manipulation.

@OmgOmgWtfWtf:

What the frick?

that is new to me...

yeah now that is whole new world of fanwank and tardation. I mean I have seen wankers and sometimes I am bias myself, but that is just...

wow

hence why I prefer on panel feats

btw the method is summon and resummon in the same way sasuke does that thing with the shurikens

@Rumble Man: someone just said it in this thread lol. I don't know where people get this notion from. It was never said on panel to do anything but teleport, let alone stop time. There were people who said that Minato would beat Flash in a race because he would stop time and teleport to the finish line. People say silly things to have their character win battles.

@OmgOmgWtfWtf:

When writers get vague fans speculate, when fans speculate characters are amped, when characters are amped they imitate charlie sheen, when characters imitate charlie sheen they sing to one direction,

do you want characters to sing to one direction?

Lelno, Flash has beaten teleporters before

Kisame wins high difficulty

Not really haki is a different form of chakra, it is still energy. I mean come on, they are from different unviverses, if the can meet then haki is chakra. Also kisame isn't all about stealing chakra, he only did that a few times. He has great sword skills, incredible taijutsu adn ninjutsu. Plus he can summon his water bubble. Jinbei can breath in water but al he has is his fishman karate. Also sharks like to eat fish and jinbei is a fish.

I really like kisame but I gotta go wit jinbei [in a good fight]

A guy who uses water based attacks vs a guy who uses water to get stronger. I wonder who wins...

@jko1: Don't both characters use water based attacks and use water to get stronger? So I'm not sure which character you are referring to. I would say Jimbei wins myself.

Hehe thats the thing, you’ll never find out who I was reffering to.

I'm not sure what Kisame is supposed to do to Jimbei, he can't pierce his Haki and the water dome would be as much an aid to Jimbei as it would to him. If energy equalization is on then Samehada could 'eat' Haki, however Jimbei could avoid that by just deactivating it.

In any case, Jimbei has far greater stamina and would outlast Kisame since the latter would run out of chakra.

How does jimbei survive the water version of afternoon tiger which can be spammed or 1000 sharks

this will end this argument jimbe destroys kisame

I’m late as hell, but my man Kisame for the win, like da hell, he dodged a lightning fast attack from Killer B at point blank range, he got his chest lariated and it destroyed his rib cage, lungs, heart and he simply healed it and got back up like it was nothing what this means is what can Jimbei actually do that will kill em, It’s said that Kisame has tailed beast amounts of chakra, which is a lot. Kisame can also create oceans from his mouth like come on.

Kisame Hoshigaki

jimbe stomps

jinbei wins easy'

Jinbei

jimbei should win. I doubt 90% of kisames jutsus are going to help in a fight against jinbei a fishman lol

Jimbei wins. Better stats and water dome will only amp Jimbei

Jinbei stomps