Kingpin Vs Street Levelers

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#1 Posted by Darkerman (516 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

How would Wilson Fisk the Kingpin of Crime do against Marvel comics top street levelers individually?


This is Classic Kingpin we're using.

All matches are in an arena, Fisk faces each combatant once but isn't fighting one after another.

Standard equipment and weaponry for everyone, and Kingpin is armed with his cane with it's features.

Elektra
Punisher
Bullseye
Shang Chi
Iron Fist
Moon Knight
Taskmaster
Barracuda
Tombstone
Mr. X
Deadpool (Without swords)
Wolverine (Bone Claws, no adamantium)





#2 Posted by entropy_aegis (12411 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

Loses to everyone.

#3 Posted by whacknasty (5516 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis said:
" Loses to everyone. "
Lol, maybe so. Really hard match ups with everyone here...

I'll still throw out possibly Moon Knight and Barracuda (I've never seen him in action though, so that may be wrong)... but the others I'm really doubtful on...
#4 Posted by weaponxxx (427 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

Maybe Punisher if he had the measels or something but really Fisk gets his ass handed to him

#5 Posted by karrob (4211 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis said:
" Loses to everyone. "
Agreed
#6 Posted by LordMaverick (4389 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis said:
"Loses to everyone. "

this.......................
#7 Edited by Darkerman (516 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

You're all underestimating Fisk... Classic Fisk would have wins against Punisher, Barracuda, Elektra,  Moon Knight, Bullseye, and maybe Iron Fist

#8 Posted by whacknasty (5516 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Darkerman said:
" You're all underestimating Fisk... Classic Fisk would have wins against Punisher, Barracuda, Elektra,  Moon Knight, Bullseye, and maybe Iron Fist "
I think both Elektra and Danny severely outclass Fisk in h2h alone. With standard equipment Elektra would likely have some sort of blades and throwing tools, so her range/lethality would arguably be higher than Fisk with his cane... Danny would beat him with and without using his chi manipulation I think, but with it would smash Fisk.

Bullseye could just stay out of range and that would be enough to give him a win with ample objects to use (standard equip would mean he would have something on him to toss, right?). He might even be able to go a while h2h as well.

Imo of course. : )
#9 Posted by Darkerman (516 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@whacknasty said:
" @Darkerman said:
" You're all underestimating Fisk... Classic Fisk would have wins against Punisher, Barracuda, Elektra,  Moon Knight, Bullseye, and maybe Iron Fist "
I think both Elektra and Danny severely outclass Fisk in h2h alone. With standard equipment Elektra would likely have some sort of blades and throwing tools, so her range/lethality would arguably be higher than Fisk with his cane... Danny would beat him with and without using his chi manipulation I think, but with it would smash Fisk.

Bullseye could just stay out of range and that would be enough to give him a win with ample objects to use (standard equip would mean he would have something on him to toss, right?). He might even be able to go a while h2h as well.

Imo of course. : )
"
;)
#10 Posted by MutenRoshi (851 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

Classic Kingpin was a beast he was like this Giant Sumo dude, amped on Cap America steroids and he came with this cutting laser in his cane. He could possibly beat the first few. Elektra, Punisher....maybe. Tombstone would laugh at his laser cane, rip his head off though and use it as a football

#11 Posted by Darkerman (516 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
#12 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38672 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis said:
" Loses to everyone. "
This
#13 Posted by god_spawn (31180 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

 Elektra-Fisk dies
Punisher-Fisk dies
Bullseye-Fisk dies
Shang Chi-Fisk dies
Iron Fist-Fisk really really dies
Moon Knight-Fisk dies
Taskmaster-Fisk dies
Barracuda-Fisk dies
Tombstone-Fisk really dies
Mr. X-Fisk dies
Deadpool (Without swords)- Fisk dies
Wolverine (Bone Claws, no adamantium)- Fisk really dies.

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#14 Edited by Darkerman (516 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

WOW...Just because Fisk doesn't have any powers..

#15 Posted by Death Certificate (5439 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@god_spawn said:
" Elektra-Fisk diesPunisher-Fisk diesBullseye-Fisk diesShang Chi-Fisk diesIron Fist-Fisk really really diesMoon Knight-Fisk diesTaskmaster-Fisk diesBarracuda-Fisk diesTombstone-Fisk really diesMr. X-Fisk diesDeadpool (Without swords)- Fisk diesWolverine (Bone Claws, no adamantium)- Fisk really dies. "

In short Fisk dies
#16 Edited by Darkerman (516 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

Classic Kingpin defeated Spider-Man and owned Captain America you don't think he can beat Punisher, Barracuda, Bullseye, Shang-Chi,and  Moon Knight??


I mean even though it could be PIS he still did it.. 

Oh and I think Punisher would lose badly to Fisk IMO.
#17 Posted by Darkerman (516 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

..

#18 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38672 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@god_spawn said:
"  Elektra-Fisk dies Punisher-Fisk dies Bullseye-Fisk dies Shang Chi-Fisk dies Iron Fist-Fisk really really dies Moon Knight-Fisk dies Taskmaster-Fisk dies Barracuda-Fisk dies Tombstone-Fisk really dies Mr. X-Fisk dies Deadpool (Without swords)- Fisk dies Wolverine (Bone Claws, no adamantium)- Fisk really dies. "
lol
#19 Posted by Darkerman (516 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

I see..

#20 Posted by Nefarious (16427 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

He doesn't stand a chance.

#21 Posted by Darkerman (516 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

Yes, because he does not posses any powers =D





LOL
#22 Posted by Darkerman (516 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Nefarious said:
" He doesn't stand a chance. "
Explain how Classic Fisk loses to Punisher at least.
#23 Edited by Nefarious (16427 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Darkerman: Punisher is more skilled than KP. He has been able to hang with opponents more skilled than KP such as Spider-Man.
#24 Posted by Morpheus_ (29872 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
Fisk already fought Punisher and won.

@Nefarious said:
" @Darkerman: Punisher is more skilled than KP. He has been able to hang with opponents more skilled than KP such as Spider-Man. "

Classic Kingpin has beaten Spider-Man.
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#25 Posted by Darkerman (516 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Nefarious said:
" @Darkerman: Punisher is more skilled than KP. He has been able to hang with opponents more skilled than KP such as Spider-Man. "
Didn't Classic DEFEAT Spider-Man???
#26 Posted by Morpheus_ (29872 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
Anyway, the real problem Fisk faces here is that most of those guys are sporting piercing equipment that make up for their physical inferiority to him. If it came down to a physical showdown most of them would be ####ed, but they don't have to punch it out with him here in order to win.
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#27 Posted by Nefarious (16427 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Morpheus_: How did he defeat him?
@Darkerman: I want to see the scans of that fight.
#28 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (11777 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

@Nefarious said:

" @Darkerman: Punisher is more skilled than KP. He has been able to hang with opponents more skilled than KP such as Spider-Man. "

Classic Kingpin has beaten Spider-Man. "


Got any scans of this?

#29 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (11777 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@god_spawn said:
" Elektra-Fisk diesPunisher-Fisk diesBullseye-Fisk diesShang Chi-Fisk diesIron Fist-Fisk really really diesMoon Knight-Fisk diesTaskmaster-Fisk diesBarracuda-Fisk diesTombstone-Fisk really diesMr. X-Fisk diesDeadpool (Without swords)- Fisk diesWolverine (Bone Claws, no adamantium)- Fisk really dies. "

Agreed    
#30 Posted by Wyldsong (1790 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

Not sure about CA, but Fisk has beaten and has also lost against Spidey.  That being said, I think most of the list, current versions take him down.

#31 Posted by Morpheus_ (29872 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Nefarious said:
" @Morpheus_: How did he defeat him?
"



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#32 Edited by Nefarious (16427 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Morpheus_: Hmmm, that explains it. If only I had more comics with Kingpin int them. But, thanks for the scans, my mind is changed.
#33 Posted by whacknasty (5516 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @Nefarious said:
" @Morpheus_: How did he defeat him?
"



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Nice.  

How do you think Fisk would do strictly h2h with Elektra or Iron Fist?
#34 Posted by Morpheus_ (29872 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@whacknasty: Classic Fisk would likely beat up Elektra. She has some crazy strength feats but nowhere near Spider-Man's league, and Kingpin was wrestling it out/withstanding multiple hits from Spidey in those days.

If Iron Fist can use his powers, he'll stomp Kingpin. The maximum power output of the iron fist should be more than sufficient to take him down.
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#35 Posted by god_spawn (31180 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

Classic Fisk was a PIS machine, catching Spider-man when far faster people have had trouble, overpowering Captain America Steve who is stronger, take away factor and most of these guys win. As Morph pointed out they carry weapons that can make up for it.

elektra's weaponry being sais, ninja stars and im not sure if she lost her powers but if she still has them, silent scream, telepathy etc.
Punisher- What doesn't Frank carry that isnt deadly? Sure KP is stronger but a bullet to the face no problem.
Bullseye- He just needs distance and its over.
Shang Chi- Is just much much more skilled.
Iron Fist- Danny is a beast lately one chi punch is really that is needed.
MoonKnight- If i'm not mistaken he has carbonadium armor and plenty of piercing weapons, ontop of that is a  more skilled fighter.
Taskmaster- Sword and shield is really all he needs on top of that is  afar more skilled fighter.
Barracuda- Actually fisk could win this, i havent read much about this guy but i think he was decent with knives.
Tombstone- Too strong too durable. Maybe knockout gas could work not sure but Tombstone is far above Fisk.
Mr. X- His telepathy will make him know what KP's next move is and he will counter and he usually carries swords on him again another loss for KP.
Deadpool- No swords no problem, Dp has taken hits from the likes of She-Hulk and remained concious and you didnt say anything about no guns.
Wolverine- Take away the KP PIS factor Logan is still too fast, his HF is jacked and he can still rend KP to bits or if he even plays it safe since he has no ady he far outskills him.

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#36 Posted by Morpheus_ (29872 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
Classic Fisk wasn't a PIS machine. He was strong enough to wrestle with Spider-Man and durable enough to take multiple hits from him in a full blown fight. There is a difference between PIS and having a certain set of abilities.
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#37 Posted by entropy_aegis (12411 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" Classic Fisk wasn't a PIS machine. He was strong enough to wrestle with Spider-Man and durable enough to take multiple hits from him in a full blown fight. There is a difference between PIS and having a certain set of abilities. "
and yet he was still human?
#38 Posted by Morpheus_ (29872 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis: Hey, I never said it made sense, but that's how he was written from the moment of his creation. At some point writers must have thought "WTF, this guy is just a very strong human, how does he duke it out with Spider-Man?" and that's how we got current Kingpin.
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#39 Posted by entropy_aegis (12411 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @entropy_aegis: Hey, I never said it made sense, but that's how he was written from the moment of his creation. At some point writers must have thought "WTF, this guy is just a very strong human, how does he duke it out with Spider-Man?" and that's how we got current Kingpin. "
Terrible.
#40 Posted by Morpheus_ (29872 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis: There's a pretty epic Kingpin/Daredevil fight in which DD dances around Kingpin and he (Matt) gets knocked out simply by hitting Kingpin repeatedly.
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#41 Posted by entropy_aegis (12411 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @entropy_aegis: There's a pretty epic Kingpin/Daredevil fight in which DD dances around Kingpin and he (Matt) gets knocked out simply by hitting Kingpin repeatedly. "
WTF?
#42 Posted by Morpheus_ (29872 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis: LOL, let me find my scans.
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#43 Posted by entropy_aegis (12411 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @entropy_aegis: LOL, let me find my scans. "
Who is responsible for this crime?
#44 Posted by Morpheus_ (29872 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis:  Frank Miller.



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#45 Posted by Susanoo (5909 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio


Captain America

 

Bloodlusted Daredevil

 

Spiderman

 

Hawkeye

 

Batman

 

Bucky

 

Batman (Dick)

 

and alot more.

#46 Posted by god_spawn (31180 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @entropy_aegis:  Frank Miller.



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O_o i have to agree with Entropy WTF????
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#47 Posted by Billdevil (428 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Morpheus_:   I think this is their first encounter and like many classic ‘first encounter’ sort of fights, it was set up to make the villain look like a threat, not an ass. Dare I argue that any version of Kingpin can pace, if not beat, many street levelers? He is stronger, more durable, and very skilled (though not bullet or blade proof).  I have never seen him just role over like a chump. Like the scans show, he was like hitting a bowling ball. 
#48 Posted by Morpheus_ (29872 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Billdevil:  I agree. He has rarely, if ever, been portrayed as being weak, and most of the examples of him taking a dive are from more recent years.
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#49 Posted by entropy_aegis (12411 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @entropy_aegis:  Frank Miller.



"
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
#50 Posted by Darkerman (516 posts) - 2 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

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