#1 Posted by rd2race (289 posts) - - Show Bio

Neither starts with any weapons No prep Morals on, if they had any lol They fight in a large office with desks chairs ect anything found there can be used as a weapon. Fight!

#2 Posted by Park (2976 posts) - - Show Bio

Red Hood murders Kingpin.

#3 Posted by Qpzmg (976 posts) - - Show Bio

Redhood.

#4 Posted by 202122 (1145 posts) - - Show Bio

@Park said:

Red Hood murders Kingpin.

#5 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12042 posts) - - Show Bio

Fisk may be fast, but he isn't getting the drop on someone who is agile and willing to kill him, Jason should win 7/10

#6 Edited by God_Spawn (37740 posts) - - Show Bio

@rd2race:Can we use Classic Fisk?

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#7 Posted by New_World_Order (13060 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason

#8 Posted by consolemaster001 (5322 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason

#9 Posted by God_Spawn (37740 posts) - - Show Bio

Screw it. I say Fisk beats Jason.

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#10 Posted by ULTRAstarkiller (6119 posts) - - Show Bio

Doesn't fisk go toe to toe with spidey on a daily bases.

#11 Posted by entropy_aegis (15250 posts) - - Show Bio

@consolemaster001 said:

Jason

Good thing Fisk isn't your average fat guy,if Jason had his blade he would've fun but h2h he's going up against someone who's easily stronger,resilient and far more faster and skilled than he looks.

#12 Posted by TDK_1997 (14718 posts) - - Show Bio

I think that Fisk might be able to defeat Jason.

#13 Posted by God_Spawn (37740 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: Remember when Daredevil wailed on Kingpin so much he passed out and Fisk was fine? That made me laugh.

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#14 Posted by entropy_aegis (15250 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

@entropy_aegis: Remember when Daredevil wailed on Kingpin so much he passed out and Fisk was fine? That made me laugh.

LOL.

#15 Posted by entropy_aegis (15250 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: So I take it you read Outlaws? has Jason actually done anything noteworthy?

#16 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7029 posts) - - Show Bio

Couldn't Fisk break metal with his bare hands or something weird like that?

#17 Posted by heroesgold (608 posts) - - Show Bio

Kingpin, he fights Daredevil and Spider-man toe to toe on a daily basis.

#18 Posted by dondave (36619 posts) - - Show Bio

@OmgOmgWtfWtf:Is he bullet proof?

#19 Edited by God_Spawn (37740 posts) - - Show Bio

@ULTRAstarkiller said:

Doesn't fisk go toe to toe with spidey on a daily bases.

Sort of. Spider-Man generally holds back on Fisk and used to give him trouble because of that coupled with some freakish stats for a human back in the day. Even Spider-Man was impressed by his strength and speed for being a human. Spidey has pretty much stomped though when he feels like it like it. But also back in the day, Fisk gave Captain America a good fight, gave Red Skull a good fight, beat Punisher whom only used knives IIRC, and Daredevil passed out trying to beat him up. I think those guys would beat Kingpin (at least Cap and Daredevil and Punisher with regular gear) but he was pretty impressive back then, not p. In current times, I don't think he has as much going for him like he used to. I haven't been very consistent with him lately though.

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#20 Posted by God_Spawn (37740 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: He hasn't faced any one noteworthy in terms of skill. He beat one of the Untitled with the All Blades, but other than that Jason faced a lot of fodder or random people/creatures. He didn't even beat one of the Talons. They kind of just stopped fighting and Jason mercy killed him. Then he killed some aliens. Then his team got stomped Superman. Then he beat up some cops while wearing nothing but a towel. Then he got captured by the Joker. I haven't read the latest issue yet, but as far as I can tell, nothing has really changed. I think his pre-flashpoint feats are still pretty much in tact, just kind of ...condensed.

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#21 Posted by consolemaster001 (5322 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: True, kingpin went head to head with spidey, but it's PIS if you ask me. Jason was trained by Batman and an underground society of warriors and creatures. I still say jason

#22 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7029 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: He isn't bullet proof, but he is pretty durable for a human.

#23 Posted by entropy_aegis (15250 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

@entropy_aegis: He hasn't faced any one noteworthy in terms of skill. He beat one of the Untitled with the All Blades, but other than that Jason faced a lot of fodder or random people/creatures. He didn't even beat one of the Talons. They kind of just stopped fighting and Jason mercy killed him. Then he killed some aliens. Then his team got stomped Superman. Then he beat up some cops while wearing nothing but a towel. Then he got captured by the Joker. I haven't read the latest issue yet, but as far as I can tell, nothing has really changed. I think his pre-flashpoint feats are still pretty much in tact, just kind of ...condensed.

So he's still running on Pre-Flashpoint feats combat wise?

#24 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

Current Fisk was showing training by beating up several Hand ninjas IIRC.

He may not be as much of a monster, but he's still no slouch in a fight.

#25 Posted by God_Spawn (37740 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: Pretty much. I believe everything he did, aside from Scarlet has remained in tact.

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#26 Posted by daredevil21134 (11526 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

@entropy_aegis: Remember when Daredevil wailed on Kingpin so much he passed out and Fisk was fine? That made me laugh.

I also remember a time when DD beat Kingpin to a blood pulp in a parking lot in front of all his men

#27 Posted by God_Spawn (37740 posts) - - Show Bio

@daredevil21134: Touchyyyy. Looks like ah hit a nerve right dere.

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#28 Posted by AmazingScrewOnHead (712 posts) - - Show Bio

King Pin wins this, hes stronger and more durable, according to wiki punching him is like punching a wet sandbag. Red hood is very overatted he has very few impressive feats.

#29 Posted by dondave (36619 posts) - - Show Bio

@AmazingScrewOnHead: what is to stop him from getting shot

#30 Posted by CaptainDoeo (789 posts) - - Show Bio

^The OP, smart one. Someone reply to this fella for me, as I'm on my mobile.

#31 Posted by daredevil21134 (11526 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes you did!!!!!@god_spawn said:

@daredevil21134: Touchyyyy. Looks like ah hit a nerve right dere.

#32 Posted by BringnIt (3809 posts) - - Show Bio

Most impressive thing I can think of modern Kingpin doing in combat is having Black Cat dead to rights in an ASM. I do not really have a strong opinion on who wins between him and Todd, but Todd wouldn't take him easily. Classic Kingpin would beat Todd to death with no problems. There's one particular issue I always recall for its stupidity (in the context of Fisk not being superhuman) where he is hit by a car and the car just gets demolished by the impact. Cars>crowbars.

#33 Posted by AmazingScrewOnHead (712 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: What is red hood going to shoot Fisk with? A stapler?

#34 Posted by dondave (36619 posts) - - Show Bio

@AmazingScrewOnHead:Uhm, the guns he always carries on him

#35 Posted by AmazingScrewOnHead (712 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave:

"Neither starts with any weapons No prep Morals on, if they had any lol They fight in a large office with desks chairs ect anything found there can be used as a weapon. Fight!" read the rules...

#36 Edited by darkhunter89 (509 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason Todd. He has beaten Batman and Lady Shiva which are great Feats.

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#37 Posted by jashro44 (20849 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason Todd. He has beaten Batman and Lady Shiva which are great Feats.

He beat batman off panel and new 52 lady shiva has no feats to my knowledge.

#38 Posted by daredevil21134 (11526 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason would beat Fisk

#39 Posted by darkhunter89 (509 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@darkhunter89 said:

Jason Todd. He has beaten Batman and Lady Shiva which are great Feats.

He beat batman off panel and new 52 lady shiva has no feats to my knowledge.

New52 Lady Shiva once held her own against Batman and Robin at the same Time. She has Feats. And btw what is off panel.

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#40 Posted by jashro44 (20849 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@darkhunter89 said:

Jason Todd. He has beaten Batman and Lady Shiva which are great Feats.

He beat batman off panel and new 52 lady shiva has no feats to my knowledge.

New52 Lady Shiva once held her own against Batman and Robin at the same Time. She has Feats. And btw what is off panel.

Beating batman was off panel. All we saw was Jason stepping on batmans body.

That fight with batman involved ambushing him with poison ninja stars and that was a younger and less experienced batman.

#41 Edited by dondave (36619 posts) - - Show Bio

Kingpin has a chance here, he did afterall beat up Zeus but we all Jason secures the win

#42 Posted by jashro44 (20849 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

Kingpin has a chance here, he did afterall beat up Zeus but we all Jason secures the win

Wait when you say beat up zeus who are you referring to?

#43 Edited by dondave (36619 posts) - - Show Bio
#44 Edited by jashro44 (20849 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: No I mean are you referring to the greek god zeus is this another zeus?

#45 Posted by dondave (36619 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 Marvel Zeus, Father of Hercules and Ares and Skyfather to the Olympian.

#46 Edited by CaptainMarvelThunder (1072 posts) - - Show Bio

With no weapons Kingpin wins.