Kingpin vs Red hood

Neither starts with any weapons No prep Morals on, if they had any lol They fight in a large office with desks chairs ect anything found there can be used as a weapon. Fight!

Red Hood murders Kingpin.

Redhood.

@Park said:

Red Hood murders Kingpin.

Fisk may be fast, but he isn't getting the drop on someone who is agile and willing to kill him, Jason should win 7/10

@rd2race:Can we use Classic Fisk?

Jason

Jason

Screw it. I say Fisk beats Jason.

Doesn't fisk go toe to toe with spidey on a daily bases.

@consolemaster001 said:

Jason

Good thing Fisk isn't your average fat guy,if Jason had his blade he would've fun but h2h he's going up against someone who's easily stronger,resilient and far more faster and skilled than he looks.

I think that Fisk might be able to defeat Jason.

@entropy_aegis: Remember when Daredevil wailed on Kingpin so much he passed out and Fisk was fine? That made me laugh.

@god_spawn said:

@entropy_aegis: Remember when Daredevil wailed on Kingpin so much he passed out and Fisk was fine? That made me laugh.

LOL.

@god_spawn: So I take it you read Outlaws? has Jason actually done anything noteworthy?

Couldn't Fisk break metal with his bare hands or something weird like that?

Kingpin, he fights Daredevil and Spider-man toe to toe on a daily basis.

@OmgOmgWtfWtf:Is he bullet proof?

@ULTRAstarkiller said:

Doesn't fisk go toe to toe with spidey on a daily bases.

Sort of. Spider-Man generally holds back on Fisk and used to give him trouble because of that coupled with some freakish stats for a human back in the day. Even Spider-Man was impressed by his strength and speed for being a human. Spidey has pretty much stomped though when he feels like it like it. But also back in the day, Fisk gave Captain America a good fight, gave Red Skull a good fight, beat Punisher whom only used knives IIRC, and Daredevil passed out trying to beat him up. I think those guys would beat Kingpin (at least Cap and Daredevil and Punisher with regular gear) but he was pretty impressive back then, not p. In current times, I don't think he has as much going for him like he used to. I haven't been very consistent with him lately though.

@entropy_aegis: He hasn't faced any one noteworthy in terms of skill. He beat one of the Untitled with the All Blades, but other than that Jason faced a lot of fodder or random people/creatures. He didn't even beat one of the Talons. They kind of just stopped fighting and Jason mercy killed him. Then he killed some aliens. Then his team got stomped Superman. Then he beat up some cops while wearing nothing but a towel. Then he got captured by the Joker. I haven't read the latest issue yet, but as far as I can tell, nothing has really changed. I think his pre-flashpoint feats are still pretty much in tact, just kind of ...condensed.

@entropy_aegis: True, kingpin went head to head with spidey, but it's PIS if you ask me. Jason was trained by Batman and an underground society of warriors and creatures. I still say jason

@dondave: He isn't bullet proof, but he is pretty durable for a human.

@god_spawn said:

@entropy_aegis: He hasn't faced any one noteworthy in terms of skill. He beat one of the Untitled with the All Blades, but other than that Jason faced a lot of fodder or random people/creatures. He didn't even beat one of the Talons. They kind of just stopped fighting and Jason mercy killed him. Then he killed some aliens. Then his team got stomped Superman. Then he beat up some cops while wearing nothing but a towel. Then he got captured by the Joker. I haven't read the latest issue yet, but as far as I can tell, nothing has really changed. I think his pre-flashpoint feats are still pretty much in tact, just kind of ...condensed.

So he's still running on Pre-Flashpoint feats combat wise?

Current Fisk was showing training by beating up several Hand ninjas IIRC.

He may not be as much of a monster, but he's still no slouch in a fight.

@entropy_aegis: Pretty much. I believe everything he did, aside from Scarlet has remained in tact.

@god_spawn said:

@entropy_aegis: Remember when Daredevil wailed on Kingpin so much he passed out and Fisk was fine? That made me laugh.

I also remember a time when DD beat Kingpin to a blood pulp in a parking lot in front of all his men

@daredevil21134: Touchyyyy. Looks like ah hit a nerve right dere.

King Pin wins this, hes stronger and more durable, according to wiki punching him is like punching a wet sandbag. Red hood is very overatted he has very few impressive feats.

@AmazingScrewOnHead: what is to stop him from getting shot

^The OP, smart one. Someone reply to this fella for me, as I'm on my mobile.

Yes you did!!!!!@god_spawn said:

@daredevil21134: Touchyyyy. Looks like ah hit a nerve right dere.

Most impressive thing I can think of modern Kingpin doing in combat is having Black Cat dead to rights in an ASM. I do not really have a strong opinion on who wins between him and Todd, but Todd wouldn't take him easily. Classic Kingpin would beat Todd to death with no problems. There's one particular issue I always recall for its stupidity (in the context of Fisk not being superhuman) where he is hit by a car and the car just gets demolished by the impact. Cars>crowbars.

@dondave: What is red hood going to shoot Fisk with? A stapler?

@AmazingScrewOnHead:Uhm, the guns he always carries on him

@dondave:

"Neither starts with any weapons No prep Morals on, if they had any lol They fight in a large office with desks chairs ect anything found there can be used as a weapon. Fight!" read the rules...

Jason Todd. He has beaten Batman and Lady Shiva which are great Feats.

He beat batman off panel and new 52 lady shiva has no feats to my knowledge.

Jason would beat Fisk

New52 Lady Shiva once held her own against Batman and Robin at the same Time. She has Feats. And btw what is off panel.

Beating batman was off panel. All we saw was Jason stepping on batmans body.

That fight with batman involved ambushing him with poison ninja stars and that was a younger and less experienced batman.

Kingpin has a chance here, he did afterall beat up Zeus but we all Jason secures the win

Wait when you say beat up zeus who are you referring to?

@jashro44 Fisk

@dondave: No I mean are you referring to the greek god zeus is this another zeus?

@jashro44 Marvel Zeus, Father of Hercules and Ares and Skyfather to the Olympian.

With no weapons Kingpin wins.

Interesting battle

Kingpin breaks him.

Kingpin pulls off a Bane on Jason