Kingpin vs Jason Todd

VS

Scenario:

Jason Todd ambushes Wilson Fisk during a well deserved holiday in Miami, in the hopes of killing him and wiping out his empire once and for all. Unfortunately for him, he wasted all of his ammo on Fisk's goons and is left with only a knife.

Location:

Rules:

- Todd is armed only with a knife and is wearing his standard outfit

- Fisk is unarmed, but wearing a suave white suit with a stylish red Hawaiian shirt (as demonstrated in the above picture)

- Morals on (doesn't matter, but anyway)

- New 52 Todd

- Fight to the death, KO or incap

- Combatants start 20 metres apart

For the record, this song is playing at the club during the fight:

Just cuz!

if I remember correctly kingpin wasnt dead from being hit by Spiderman multiple times so his blunt force durability should keep Todd's punches at bay. But I don't know how good Jason is with a knife.

@those_eyes: Yeah, I don't think Jason has the damage output to take down Kingpin in this scenario. Unless he knows super nerve strikes or something.

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Beats a armed Punisher, who's waaaay more skilled with a knife than Jason.

Gets beaten by an enraged Spiderman and stays conscious.

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Gets beaten by Spiderman again, stays conscious.

Tanks the worst Daredevil has to offer.

Jason oneshots.

Jmarshmallow

Jason doesn't have the damage output to put Kingpin down here, unless he knows super nerve strikes that I don't know about.

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Beats Punisher who is armed with a knife.

Stays conscious after a beating from an enraged Spiderman.

Takes the worst Daredevil has to offer.

If the Punisher can do it, Red Hood can do it.

How is Jason gonna one shot when Spiderman couldn't?

@those_eyes: BECAUSE SPIDERMAN HAS NEVER PUNCHED THROUGH A SUBMARINE.

Jmarshmallow

Leaning towards Fisk.

Punisher can't do it. He got his ass beat.

@comicstooge: Hmm...

Then I guess Jason gets his ass beat by default. :-)

Fair point.

Fisk's quite resilient to cutting damage, if anyone wants to see scans.

Yes please. I didn't know he was able to handle cuts.

@those_eyes: Here.

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Also:

Has Fisk ever shown to be immune to pressure point strikes?

I agree, Jason one-shots

The Hawaiian shirt negates Jason's power.

Who paid you to say that?

@those_eyes: I cant tell, Im apart of the Jason todd One-Shot cult

Jason without even trying

Kingpin after a brutal fight.

All the fights Fisk had with Spidey are crap.Daredevil has beaten Fisk into a pulp with his bare hands multiple times while holding back on him.Jason would be no different.As far as i've seen Fisk hasn't been immune to nerve strikes either. Oh and by the way,if Jason ran out of bullets he could always summon the all blades.just saying

@keenko said:

Jason doesn't have the damage output to put Kingpin down here, unless he knows super nerve strikes that I don't know about.

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Beats Punisher who is armed with a knife.

Stays conscious after a beating from an enraged Spiderman.

Takes the worst Daredevil has to offer.

The Spider-Man fight should be considered pure pis imo .I don't see how a man with no superhuman durability can take hits from an upset superhuman who's able to bench ten tons

The DD scan doesn't hold a lot of weight either considering right before that fight DD used all of his strength to pull open a jammed steel metal door but I assume that's why you said he took DD's worst.

This is true however earlier daredevil kicked him in the sides and remarked the blow he hit fisk with would have crippled a normal man. So there is still some impressive durability at least:

OP says all Jason has is a knife.

@jashro44 said:

@daredevil21134 said:

The DD scan doesn't hold a lot of weight either considering right before that fight DD used all of his strength to pull open a jammed steel metal door but I assume that's why you said he took DD's worst.

This is true however earlier daredevil kicked him in the sides and remarked the blow he hit fisk with would have crippled a normal man. So there is still some impressive durability at least:

@daredevil21134 said:

All the fights Fisk had with Spidey are crap.Daredevil has beaten Fisk into a pulp with his bare hands multiple times while holding back on him.Jason would be no different.As far as i've seen Fisk hasn't been immune to nerve strikes either. Oh and by the way,if Jason ran out of bullets he could always summon the all blades.just saying

OP says all Jason has is a knife.

I know,but he said it's because he ran out of ammo.The all blades can be summoned supernaturally.But that's going off topic

Well it's clear that Fisk is no normal man so I still don't see that as an impressive feat

Jason would use fisk for a heavy bag...a very heavy bag...

Kingpin would definitely win

Fisk eats Jason

Jason On--**** that BS, Fisk Wins.

Jason via submarine punch

Kingpin.

red hood

Jason for the win.

Kingpin vs anybody besides some hand ninjas I vote for the guy he's fighting because Kingpin's a jobber... The Brooklyn Brawler of Marvel

Jason is too much.

Jason slices Kingpins shoulder open, causing him to bleed to death within minutes.

Kingpin should win this...

Classic Kingpin was Meta, he was shown swinging tons around like a club, ripping a staircase off a wall, hit by cars etc etc.

Grappled with Spider-Man numerous times, nearly bear-hugged him to death etc etc

Original Kingpin was written as a freak of nature with Superhuman strength and durability, his earlier fights were retconed amongst the plethora of retcons by JMS during his run (Spider-Man's origin, Gwen Stacy/Norman Osborn sex etc etc).

Classic Kingpin regularly obliterated peak humans with relative ease.

Fisk hasn't been immune to nerve strikes either

Well, you can get him in the eyes

A door Kingpin himself can open with little effort.

Also that fight is in dim light and Kingpin can barely see whilst Daredevil is using radar.

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@silent_bomber: Fisk is a true OG.

@serrure: Spider-Man has gotten stronger since then,I don't think classic Spidey was written as a 10 toner.And Daredevil was still too weak to barely do anything,so it really doesn't matter if he could see or not.And I never said DD was stronger than Fisk anyways..I assumed we're using current Fisk which is written more realistic than his classic version who was able to do all those things with any superhuman abilities

@daredevil21134: current Fisk was about to kill Black Cat (and she had her bad luck powers)

Black Cat is faster than Jason Todd for sure. also the Black Suit Spider Man was well within the time when Spider Man was written as the total badass he is today

Classic Kingpin could win.

Modern Kingpin wouldn't.

@serrure said:

@daredevil21134: current Fisk was about to kill Black Cat (and she had her bad luck powers)

Black Cat is faster than Jason Todd for sure. also the Black Suit Spider Man was well within the time when Spider Man was written as the total badass he is today

Which I call PIS.There is no way Fisk should be able to do anything to modern day Spidey-Man.

She may be faster than Jason but she's nowhere near as skilled as him.

@daredevil21134: maybe but i think their skill sets differ because they are better at different things

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she was able to take Creed on, he didnt have his healing factor here but his speed and strength remained the same

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she destroys the Lizard

if i wanted someone to be fast in Stealth i'd call in Felica

if i wanted someone to shoot up a place id call Jason.

however if there is some discrepancy as to where or not Kingpin can tag Jason, there shouldnt be anymore. given Fisk's better durability, strength, and striking power he should take this

@serrure said:

@daredevil21134: maybe but i think their skill sets differ because they are better at different things

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she was able to take Creed on, he didnt have his healing factor here but his speed and strength remained the same

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she destroys the Lizard

if i wanted someone to be fast in Stealth i'd call in Felica

if i wanted someone to shoot up a place id call Jason.

however if there is some discrepancy as to where or not Kingpin can tag Jason, there shouldnt be anymore. given Fisk's better durability, strength, and striking power he should take this

That's not a very good analysis for Jason. He was trained by a group of ancient supernatural warriors called the All Caste,who taught him how to be the perfect assassin,he was also trained by Batman in stealth and he was also trained by Lady Shiva and Talia Al Ghul,so i'm pretty sure he can be fast and stealthy as well,i'm sure Felicia is a better thief than him and is probably more sneakier than him though.Fisk can take a lot of damage and he is skilled but he's nowhere near as skilled as Jason.He lost to Master Izo and he was also been dropped by Hand ninjas before.

@daredevil21134: in terms of whos got more Stealth the feats arent there for Jason... theres allot of spoken feats, but spoken feats dont count for crap. (it seems you have an understanding of this, which i give you enormous amounts of respect for.) but i dont see Jason having the damage output to put fisk down before Fisk gets his insanely huge gorilla hands on him.

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