Kingdom Come Superman vs Silver Surfer

#1 Posted by Deranged Midget (263 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

Who would win in an all out brawl.  
First to be KO'ed and no BFR

#2 Posted by capall (8278 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

surfer wins here

#3 Posted by Deranged Midget (263 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

Really? I thought Superman was a lot stronger due to all the sun he absorbed over the years.

#4 Posted by Neon_Nemesis (2170 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Deranged Midget said:
" Really? I thought Superman was a lot stronger due to all the sun he absorbed over the years. "
Irrelevant, General Zod spent years in the Phantom Zone and was still at least equal to Superman in physical power
#5 Edited by capall (8278 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

surfer doesn't have to engage in a physical combat to win here, he can use variety of cosmic energy, radiation, energy absorption to win here, surfer also has intangibility to avoid any physical attacks if he choses

#6 Posted by Morpheus_ (29872 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
Being stronger does not mean much, because the Surfer isn't one to punch it out. If he was to attemtp and engage KC Superman physically, while forgetting certain abilities he has, he would obviously lose. But he is far smarter than that.
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#7 Posted by Deranged Midget (263 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Neon_Nemesis: Doesn't Superman still hold back?
#8 Posted by Neon_Nemesis (2170 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Deranged Midget said:
" @Neon_Nemesis: Doesn't Superman still hold back? "
Not against characters like Zod, Darkseid, Captain Marvel or someone among those levels
#9 Posted by Deranged Midget (263 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Neon_Nemesis: Thanks for clearing that up 
#10 Posted by batfan1939 (362 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Deranged Midget :
What's so speacial about the KC Supes? Other than he has less fighting ability than the mainstream one? Surfer.
#11 Posted by lagoon_boy (10900 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
Surfer Should win....i don't think Surfer might get any information about superman with the use of Cosmic Awareness...but as Morpheus_ said Surfer is a very intelligent, and would not fight a certain Character in his disadvantage.
#12 Posted by hdorman1 (4662 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

ss 

#13 Posted by Morpheus_ (29872 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@lagoon_boy said:
" Surfer Should win....i don't think Surfer might get any information about superman with the use of Cosmic Awareness...but as Morpheus_ said Surfer is a very intelligent, and would not fight a certain Character in his disadvantage. "
He would. Not that it would be required, but he could do that.
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#14 Posted by lagoon_boy (10900 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Morpheus_:  Really? i thought the Cosmic Awareness was only limited to the cosmic beings?
#15 Posted by Morpheus_ (29872 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@lagoon_boy said:
" @Morpheus_:  Really? i thought the Cosmic Awareness was only limited to the cosmic beings? "
It has no such limitation that I know of.
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#16 Edited by lagoon_boy (10900 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Morpheus_:  Since the Power Cosmic is foreign to the DC Universe and the DC Universe is Foreign to the Power Cosmic i doubt Silver Surfer can Detect Superman's Stats/Weaknesses.
#17 Posted by xan84 (4286 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

 

You would need SMP to take down SS. KC Sups goes down hard ..

#18 Posted by Morpheus_ (29872 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@lagoon_boy said:
" @Morpheus_:  Since the Power Cosmic is foreign to the DC Universe and the DC Universe is Foreign to the Power Cosmic i doubt Silver Surfer can Detect superman's Stats/Weaknesses. "
Being foreign to the universe has nothing to do with it. The Surfer is capable of decoding radiation frequencies capable of weakening opponents. Case in point, the specific type of radiation that weakens Superman (red sun) is not even foreign to the Marvel Universe - that would be impossible. It's all about the Surfer's understanding of energy, not the energy being alien to him. And he has manipulated energy from another Universe before, as well, during the Uni-Lord saga.
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#19 Posted by Casket (311 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

Surfer could just pull some Martian Manhunter style moves, go intangible when KingdomCome Superman tries to attack
 then wack out Superman's mind with telepathy and make him go to sleep. 
 
TKO

#20 Edited by lagoon_boy (10900 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Morpheus_:  Yes, Yes but what i meant actually was Can Surfer Detect Supermans Weaknesses even if he's from different Universe? 
  
I am not questioning the power of Surfers ability if it can harm superman. 
 
( I Apologize if i read your post differently than you intended it to be :D).
#21 Posted by Morpheus_ (29872 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@lagoon_boy said:
" @Morpheus_:  Yes, Yes but what i meant actually was Can Surfer Detect Supermans Weaknesses even if he's from different Universe?  "
Considering that they are energy based, and the Surfer has been shown to be able to detect  weaknesses of such kind before, yes.
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#22 Posted by lagoon_boy (10900 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Morpheus_:  Well again thank you for the information :D... i Clearly  thought wrong on how the Power Cosmic works.
#23 Posted by Morpheus_ (29872 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@lagoon_boy said:
" @Morpheus_:  Well again thank you for the information :D... i Clearly  thought wrong on how the Power Cosmic works. "
No problem, lg.
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#24 Posted by lagoon_boy (10900 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Morpheus_:  :D (hopes that the IG is not meant for Ignorant XD)
#25 Posted by Morpheus_ (29872 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@lagoon_boy said:
" @Morpheus_:  :D (hopes that the IG is not meant for Ignorant XD) "
LOL. It was LG, not IG.
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#26 Posted by lagoon_boy (10900 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio
@Morpheus_:  LOL, if you are referring to m,e i again am sorry maybe perhaps i am ignorant XD. i never got used of people Referring to me as LG they usually say LB :D
#27 Posted by supermandefender (1963 posts) - 3 years, 10 days ago - Show Bio

The absorbed sunlight would help KC Supes but I believe this supes isnt as amped as a All star supes is and he is older. That would take a toll on KC Supes in a longer fight. KC Supes I dont think would take the damage as good as a younger version. He would pack more a wallet though than earth 1.

#28 Posted by Erik (27224 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Silver Surfer but I think KC Superman is still awesome.

#29 Posted by X-23_2513 (416 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

SS
#30 Posted by SilverMan91 (431 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

everything saying that Silver Surfer is weaker isnt nessesairaly true either, because he in theory through the power cosmic can elevate it to potentially infinite levels, just because he dosent do it dosent mean he cant, which brings me to my second point, are characters bloodlusted here or are they still fighting in character? because just because of SS holding back nature he might not take this fight.
#31 Posted by ShadowHuntR (184 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @lagoon_boy said:
" @Morpheus_:  Yes, Yes but what i meant actually was Can Surfer Detect Supermans Weaknesses even if he's from different Universe?  "
Considering that they are energy based, and the Surfer has been shown to be able to detect  weaknesses of such kind before, yes. "
Silver Surfer wouldn't be able to find the weakness of Superman for many reasons. Modern Superman was able to block teleportation just by using magnetism or something. Even if Silver Surfer would replicate Kryptonite, it wouldn't work since it wouldn't be from his Universe. Red Sun? Should I remind you that even Modern Superman (a little weaker then KC) was able to fly throught RAO at lightspeed, which was surrounded by Kryptonite and then crash landed on Mogo while receiving heat vision blasts from SBP? Superman and Zod's fight destroyed a planet while they were under a red sun.
 
Silver Surfer was taken down by Thor many time just by physical damage. Seems like SS has a glass jaw or something. Speed? Silver Surfer use TRAVEL speed. Combat speed is much more different, specialy that Silver Surfer normaly use a wormhole to travel far distances.
#32 Posted by ShadowHuntR (184 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio
@Silver man said:
" everything saying that Silver Surfer is weaker isnt nessesairaly true either, because he in theory through the power cosmic can elevate it to potentially infinite levels, just because he dosent do it dosent mean he cant, which brings me to my second point, are characters bloodlusted here or are they still fighting in character? because just because of SS holding back nature he might not take this fight. "
He has cosmic powers but they aren't on infinite levels. Galactus powers potentialy could be even if he never showed that kind of powers before but Silver Surfer has what? 1% of the powers of Galactus? He is limited to what he has. He's not even close to have unlimited powers. God, Silver Surfer isn't a God and he was even knocked down his board by a brick...
#33 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38671 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio
@capall said:
" surfer wins here "
#34 Posted by czarny_samael666 (14246 posts) - 2 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Surfer 
 
@ShadowHuntR said:

" @Morpheus_ said:
" @lagoon_boy said:
" @Morpheus_:  Yes, Yes but what i meant actually was Can Surfer Detect Supermans Weaknesses even if he's from different Universe?  "
Considering that they are energy based, and the Surfer has been shown to be able to detect  weaknesses of such kind before, yes. "
Silver Surfer wouldn't be able to find the weakness of Superman for many reasons. Modern Superman was able to block teleportation just by using magnetism or something. Even if Silver Surfer would replicate Kryptonite, it wouldn't work since it wouldn't be from his Universe. Red Sun? Should I remind you that even Modern Superman (a little weaker then KC) was able to fly throught RAO at lightspeed, which was surrounded by Kryptonite and then crash landed on Mogo while receiving heat vision blasts from SBP? Superman and Zod's fight destroyed a planet while they were under a red sun.  Silver Surfer was taken down by Thor many time just by physical damage. Seems like SS has a glass jaw or something. Speed? Silver Surfer use TRAVEL speed. Combat speed is much more different, specialy that Silver Surfer normaly use a wormhole to travel far distances. "

Did You've read his all posts? He clearly explained why CA would work.
#35 Posted by TheSupremeBeing (205 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

They both clash with equal power.
#36 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (11766 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio
@capall said:
surfer wins here
#37 Posted by Illuminatus (9320 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

Superman goes down, and then I laugh.

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