Who wins
Killer Bee vs Sasuke
Sasuke wrecks house.
Sasuke wrecks house.
Really? Didn't Bee take on Taka by himself?
@dondave: That was before Sasuke got the whole Sasanoo ability. Sasuke's power grown since his first encounter with Bee.
@dondave: That was before Sasuke got the whole Sasanoo ability. Sasuke's power grown since his first encounter with Bee.
Oh yeah, totally forgot about that, wouldn't Sameheda be able to cut through it?
@dondave: sameheda can't
if bee tries sasuke will blast him will amaterasu
This fight happened. Sasuke won by a hair in a 4 v 1 confrontation using Amaterasu (and lucking out at that as he just then at right moment conveniently figured out how to control it).
As he has progressed with learning how to use Susanoo it would be closer I'd say. As we are lead to assume that Naruto will be able to take him on (the final battle whatnot being the whole point) then I think Killer Bee, as a fellow Jinchuriki would be an opponent that makes it too close to really call.
This fight happened. Sasuke won by a hair in a 4 v 1 confrontation using Amaterasu (and lucking out at that as he just then at right moment conveniently figured out how to control it).
You mean Sasuke lost that 4 vs 1 battle in which Bee theoretically killed him twice. In the end Sasuke got deceived by Bee who used the "captured by akatsuki"-situation as a chance to get some free time from the village :P
@ratava: exactly. Bee fighting serious + sasuke minus taka = Bee for the win
@xlab3000: sasuke does not need kyuubi chakra to beat bee. amaterasu is all he needs
@jgames: eight tails got injured by five tails
naruto took down five tail beast at the same time and his bijuu dama was equal to those five combined
eight tails is nowhere near naruto
@xlab3000: sasuke does not need kyuubi chakra to beat bee. amaterasu is all he needs
Bee survived amaterasu. Killer Bee was whooping Taka. Sasuke had help that was the only reason he had got Bee with amaterasu.
@ratava said:
This fight happened. Sasuke won by a hair in a 4 v 1 confrontation using Amaterasu (and lucking out at that as he just then at right moment conveniently figured out how to control it).
You mean Sasuke lost that 4 vs 1 battle in which Bee theoretically killed him twice. In the end Sasuke got deceived by Bee who used the "captured by akatsuki"-situation as a chance to get some free time from the village :P
reguardless if sasuke wins it isn't going to be a stomping. Win or loss in his 1st 4 v 1 confrontation against bee, depending on how you want to put it.
@xlab3000: Lmao Itachi didin't even want to fight them, and they were both under Kabuto's control. SASKUE STOPMS
Last time I checked Sasuke wasn't an island buster. KB/Hachibi tanked his own full power bijuu bomb he aimed at the Juubi point blank and tanked a hit from 5 tails. skip to 14:30 n the video. Killer Bee wins this is not a stomp in Sasuke's favor.
http://i.imgur.com/7ZGsWyo.jpg
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/611/4
http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=18936
It's actually what he does, these days. Just start with enton..
bee and naruto were going to die against nagato, but itachi saved them
Sasuke stomps, this is what i say...
Sasuke wins without genjutsu
bee and Sasuke are around the same speed (sasuke was even able to dodge a full lightning released A), susanoo blocks most of bee's attacks, Sasuke's fire justsu will atleast distract bee and get samhada to run away. His lightning enhanced shurikens (like when he and itachi fought) wont be dodged easily and will cut bee on most parts of his body and go straight through (on account of being lightning enhanced), he can get on his hawk, and spam attacks at bee or shoot at the air and do Kirin (which bee cant dodge) , Susanoo arrows will not be dodged either, not even kakashi could react to them, or danzo, a guy with like 8 sharingans active while being shot at. Amaterasu at his eyes which he wont expect or at anywhere on his body, undodgeable chidori senbon spams. Giant snake summons etc. All in all, a good fight, but sasuke will win, he even has a bijuu sized susanoo with legs now and can coat his weapons in amaterasu and make a dome of amaterasu around zoro. And susanoo was durable enough to tank a onoki level atomic destruction jutsu while only in ribcage, his arrows can hit bee's tailed beast bombs as they form to implode them.
Sasuke stomps, this is what i say...
Sasuke wins without genjutsu
bee and Sasuke are around the same speed (sasuke was even able to dodge a full lightning released A), susanoo blocks most of bee's attacks, Sasuke's fire justsu will atleast distract bee and get samhada to run away. His lightning enhanced shurikens (like when he and itachi fought) wont be dodged easily and will cut bee on most parts of his body and go straight through (on account of being lightning enhanced), he can get on his hawk, and spam attacks at bee or shoot at the air and do Kirin (which bee cant dodge) , Susanoo arrows will not be dodged either, not even kakashi could react to them, or danzo, a guy with like 8 sharingans active while being shot at. Amaterasu at his eyes which he wont expect or at anywhere on his body, undodgeable chidori senbon spams. Giant snake summons etc. All in all, a good fight, but sasuke will win, he even has a bijuu sized susanoo with legs now and can coat his weapons in amaterasu and make a dome of amaterasu around zoro. And susanoo was durable enough to tank a onoki level atomic destruction jutsu while only in ribcage, his arrows can hit bee's tailed beast bombs as they form to implode them.
I repeat this, and amaterasu scares samhada away because it is not fond of fire
Sasuke stomps, this is what i say...
Sasuke wins without genjutsu
bee and Sasuke are around the same speed (sasuke was even able to dodge a full lightning released A), susanoo blocks most of bee's attacks, Sasuke's fire justsu will atleast distract bee and get samhada to run away. His lightning enhanced shurikens (like when he and itachi fought) wont be dodged easily and will cut bee on most parts of his body and go straight through (on account of being lightning enhanced), he can get on his hawk, and spam attacks at bee or shoot at the air and do Kirin (which bee cant dodge) , Susanoo arrows will not be dodged either, not even kakashi could react to them, or danzo, a guy with like 8 sharingans active while being shot at. Amaterasu at his eyes which he wont expect or at anywhere on his body, undodgeable chidori senbon spams. Giant snake summons etc. All in all, a good fight, but sasuke will win, he even has a bijuu sized susanoo with legs now and can coat his weapons in amaterasu and make a dome of amaterasu around zoro. And susanoo was durable enough to tank a onoki level atomic destruction jutsu while only in ribcage, his arrows can hit bee's tailed beast bombs as they form to implode them.
I repeat this, and amaterasu scares samhada away because it is not fond of fire
You're wrong. Sasuke didn't dodge full lightning release A. He was horribly blitzed and had to use Susanoo at the last moment to block anything.
Fire jutsu and lightning shuriken will in fact be easily dodged by Bee who's top notch in speed and he's already used his swords to block Sasuke's lightning enhanced weapons. Sasuke has used his Hawk literally once, and doing Kirin wouldn't work (he can aim dodge, aka move away from the spot before Sasuke lowers his arm), Susanoo Arrows were dodged by Kabuto, Itachi kept up with kabuto, Bee kept up with Itachi, going by that, Bee can dodge Susanoo arrows. Plus Bee's much faster than kakashi.
Danzo's also crippled and horribly slow.
Amaterasu weapons would be a problem but Bee can dodge, and tanking doesn't matter. Why? Because the longer the fight goes, Bee wins because Bee has waaaaay more chakra than Sasuke. If Sasuke tries to spam, he'll run out and Bee stomps. If he tries to turtle, he'll run out and Bee still wins.
Bee is too fast, too strong, too good for regular Sasuke and has too much chakra and can outlast any of Sasuke's MS jutsu.
You're wrong. Sasuke didn't dodge full lightning release A. He was horribly blitzed and had to use Susanoo at the last moment to block anything.
No... Sasuke dodged A's lightning elbow chop
Fire jutsu and lightning shuriken will in fact be easily dodged by Bee who's top notch in speed and he's already used his swords to block Sasuke's lightning enhanced weapons. Sasuke has used his Hawk literally once, and doing Kirin wouldn't work (he can aim dodge, aka move away from the spot before Sasuke lowers his arm), Susanoo Arrows were dodged by Kabuto, Itachi kept up with kabuto, Bee kept up with Itachi, going by that, Bee can dodge Susanoo arrows. Plus Bee's much faster than kakashi.
Show me bee dodging 100+ shuriken being thron at him at the speeds sasuke threw them at itachi, infact, give bee's best reaction feat.What is your point, he used the hawk, so he can use it again, and bee cannot hope to dodge kirin, an easily mountain bustion teqnique
Danzo's also crippled and horribly slow.
No...., He has the vitality of a senju and Chakra of an uchiha and even had about 8 sharingans helping him dodge
Amaterasu weapons would be a problem but Bee can dodge, and tanking doesn't matter. Why? Because the longer the fight goes, Bee wins because Bee has waaaaay more chakra than Sasuke. If Sasuke tries to spam, he'll run out and Bee stomps. If he tries to turtle, he'll run out and Bee still wins.
Read naruto now dude, Sasuke's EMS has been on for like the last idk 20 chapters or more and he has been spamming amaterasu, susanoo, summons with no sign of exhastion, Stamina is out of the question for now.
Bee is too fast, too strong, too good for regular Sasuke and has too much chakra and can outlast any of Sasuke's MS jutsu.
No, Bee is an idiot and will go 8 tails like he always does when having a fight and sasuke will spam his Susanoo arrows, Amaterasu and lightning attacks and fire attecks. And if bee charges a bijju bomb sasuke shoots it with his arrow and it implodes on bee.
You saw how when bee gets stabbed he became weaker and needed naruto's support, susanoo will shoot him multiple times, and Sasuke's susanoo is now as large as A bijuu and was able to cut through a gigantic thick root easily.
You're wrong. Sasuke didn't dodge full lightning release A. He was horribly blitzed and had to use Susanoo at the last moment to block anything.
No... Sasuke dodged A's lightning elbow chop
Fire jutsu and lightning shuriken will in fact be easily dodged by Bee who's top notch in speed and he's already used his swords to block Sasuke's lightning enhanced weapons. Sasuke has used his Hawk literally once, and doing Kirin wouldn't work (he can aim dodge, aka move away from the spot before Sasuke lowers his arm), Susanoo Arrows were dodged by Kabuto, Itachi kept up with kabuto, Bee kept up with Itachi, going by that, Bee can dodge Susanoo arrows. Plus Bee's much faster than kakashi.
Show me bee dodging 100+ shuriken being thron at him at the speeds sasuke threw them at itachi, infact, give bee's best reaction feat.
What is your point, he used the hawk, so he can use it again, and bee cannot hope to dodge kirin, an easily mountain bustion teqnique
Danzo's also crippled and horribly slow.
No...., He has the vitality of a senju and Chakra of an uchiha and even had about 8 sharingans helping him dodge
Amaterasu weapons would be a problem but Bee can dodge, and tanking doesn't matter. Why? Because the longer the fight goes, Bee wins because Bee has waaaaay more chakra than Sasuke. If Sasuke tries to spam, he'll run out and Bee stomps. If he tries to turtle, he'll run out and Bee still wins.
Read naruto now dude, Sasuke's EMS has been on for like the last idk 20 chapters or more and he has been spamming amaterasu, susanoo, summons with no sign of exhastion, Stamina is out of the question for now.
Bee is too fast, too strong, too good for regular Sasuke and has too much chakra and can outlast any of Sasuke's MS jutsu.
No, Bee is an idiot and will go 8 tails like he always does when having a fight and sasuke will spam his Susanoo arrows, Amaterasu and lightning attacks and fire attecks. And if bee charges a bijju bomb sasuke shoots it with his arrow and it implodes on bee.
You saw how when bee gets stabbed he became weaker and needed naruto's support, susanoo will shoot him multiple times, and Sasuke's susanoo is now as large as A bijuu and was able to cut through a gigantic thick root easily.
Nope, Sasuke was horribly blitzed.
Itachi blocked the shuriken, Bee can too. Also....we have no idea how fast those shuriken were, manga doesn't lend itself to that.
Danzo, is slow. he doesn't use his sharingan except for izanagi. Fact.
Dodging Kirin is just dodging the lightning bolt, which he can do by moving as Sasuke's hand does.
Dodging a mountain buster is not as difficult as you make it seem, maybe you can't dodge the collateral, but the actual attack is easily dodged.
The war doesn't count, it's plot-ridden. Even Kakashi, who's notorious for being low in stamina has been spamming. We don't use inconsistencies like that.
Bee didn't even go 8 tails immediately when he killed Sasuke those 3 times before. And now he knows Sasuke can counter his form with Amaterasu, not sure why he'd transform.
And show Sasuke having knowledge of a Bijuu Bomb and shooting one with his arrow. I'll wait.
@ratava: exactly. Bee fighting serious + sasuke minus taka = Bee for the win
I assume this is current Sasuke, in which case he utterly stomps... Especially in a fight to the death... He could beat Killer Bee without moving an inch if he just spams Amaterasu and keeps Susano'o up.
If this was Taka Sasuke then he would lose. MS sasuke and EMS sasuke would stomp
@noone301994: yeah he could probably win if he spammed Amaterasu immediately but he has never done that. EMS sasuke would be a really good match, not a stomp. It's most likely going to come to bee in tailed beast mode vs Susano'o sasuke. Bee is far more experienced fighting powerful enemies, so he would know to go for his more powerful attacks first. Bee may decide to make that giant tornado, or fire a tailed beast bomb at him which I think has a very good chance of breaking the Susano'o and KO'ing sasuke.
@thewhitelantern: I don't think that the bijuu bomb would break susano'o and last time Killer Bee went in beast mode Sasuke just took once glance at Killer Bee and hit him amaterasu. When he's in beast mode he is easier to hit, all he needs is one flame to hit him and he's a pretty big target
@noone301994: yeah he could probably win if he spammed Amaterasu immediately but he has never done that.
lol what?
Nope, Sasuke was horribly blitzed.
He competed with A, A faster than Bee.... And anyway, sasuke did chidori bee, but with an open hand not to kill him, he could have done it to him and run it through him = dead bee, his regeneration sucks.
Itachi blocked the shuriken, Bee can too. Also....we have no idea how fast those shuriken were, manga doesn't lend itself to that.
Show me bee's reaction feats, speed doesnt equal reaction.
Danzo, is slow. he doesn't use his sharingan except for izanagi. Fact.
How do you know
Dodging Kirin is just dodging the lightning bolt, which he can do by moving as Sasuke's hand does.
Show me anyone in naruto who dodges an attack that goes from clouds to the ground on a 1 thosandth of a second
Dodging a mountain buster is not as difficult as you make it seem, maybe you can't dodge the collateral, but the actual attack is easily dodged.
Bee cant cross a mountain in a thousandth of a second so.....
The war doesn't count, it's plot-ridden. Even Kakashi, who's notorious for being low in stamina has been spamming. We don't use inconsistencies like that.
Nope, bee consistently does it when fighting tough enemies (except for kisame when he wanted to stay not found). And it was stated kakashi trained harder wuth it and is now proficient, so... yeah.
Bee didn't even go 8 tails immediately when he killed Sasuke those 3 times before. And now he knows Sasuke can counter his form with Amaterasu, not sure why he'd transform.
But when pressured he did, what are Bee's best speed feats, nothing Full powered A level, so dodging Arrows or Ama is out of the question, and Kabuto was faster in reaction than most characters.
And show Sasuke having knowledge of a Bijuu Bomb and shooting one with his arrow. I'll wait.
He saw bee do it to suigetsu...
@noone301994: but Bee knows that now, do you think he's just going to let sasuke do that again?
Nope, Sasuke was horribly blitzed.
He competed with A, A faster than Bee.... And anyway, sasuke did chidori bee, but with an open hand not to kill him, he could have done it to him and run it through him = dead bee, his regeneration sucks.
Itachi blocked the shuriken, Bee can too. Also....we have no idea how fast those shuriken were, manga doesn't lend itself to that.
Show me bee's reaction feats, speed doesnt equal reaction.
Danzo, is slow. he doesn't use his sharingan except for izanagi. Fact.
How do you know
Dodging Kirin is just dodging the lightning bolt, which he can do by moving as Sasuke's hand does.
Show me anyone in naruto who dodges an attack that goes from clouds to the ground on a 1 thosandth of a second
Dodging a mountain buster is not as difficult as you make it seem, maybe you can't dodge the collateral, but the actual attack is easily dodged.
Bee cant cross a mountain in a thousandth of a second so.....
The war doesn't count, it's plot-ridden. Even Kakashi, who's notorious for being low in stamina has been spamming. We don't use inconsistencies like that.
Nope, bee consistently does it when fighting tough enemies (except for kisame when he wanted to stay not found). And it was stated kakashi trained harder wuth it and is now proficient, so... yeah.
Bee didn't even go 8 tails immediately when he killed Sasuke those 3 times before. And now he knows Sasuke can counter his form with Amaterasu, not sure why he'd transform.
But when pressured he did, what are Bee's best speed feats, nothing Full powered A level, so dodging Arrows or Ama is out of the question, and Kabuto was faster in reaction than most characters.
And show Sasuke having knowledge of a Bijuu Bomb and shooting one with his arrow. I'll wait.
He saw bee do it to suigetsu...
A and Bee are comparable speeds. Sasuke never even touched A in their fight. Bee's still faster.
Bee's reaction feats, fighting A, fighting Itachi, horribly destroying Sasuke in their fight.
Danzo's an old man who has shown 0 speed. Thus he's slow.
I said dodge Sasuke's aim not the attack. Aim dodging would be moving before Sasuke can point at him.
I said he'd get hit by collateral, the shockwave, but Kirin wouldn't do much to him as he dodged the brunt of it. Also if he was 8 tails, 8 tails tanked a point blank combo of his own Bijuu Bomb+ the Juubi's
Kakashi's proficiency doesn't matter, his stamina dictates how much he can use it. He can't go from dying in 3, to spamming 10-20 of them. Inconsistency.
Bee reacted to and fought Itachi evenly. That's enough.
Sasuke saw it and has never displayed what he would do besides turtle in his Susanoo like he does against every attack.
Bee stomps.
A and Bee are comparable speeds. Sasuke never even touched A in their fight. Bee's still faster.
A and Bee are not in the same speed division, A outclasses him in speed easily. Sasuke chidori'd A easily, as well as Bee, thou for bee he didnt go for the kill. Sasuke has better reaction than bee.
Bee's reaction feats, fighting A, fighting Itachi, horribly destroying Sasuke in their fight.
Sasuke's reaction feats: beating gaara's sand, countering 100+ shuriken being thrown at high speed close range st him, blitsing tobi and deidara, Activating susanoo just as his sword was about to hit his immobile body, and with there fight...
the battle starts. Sasuke charges Bee, and Bee counters appropriately
Sasuke counters appropriately, and even surprises Bee with his speed and maneuverability.
This is where we see Sasuke's speed caught Bee off guard.
then we see that the kick was ineffective (due to lack of pure strength I guess?). We also see Sasuke retreat, and retrieve the weapons
we see that Sasuke still hasn't activated his sharingan yet.
Killer Bee begins his kenjutsu style.
we see Sasuke blocking Killer Bee and his unorthodox style. Note that the sharingan still hasn't been activated.
THIS is when things start to get complicated. First we see Sasuke continuing to block Bee's attack (top panel). Then in the next panel (right side) we see Killer Bee parry Sasuke's sword. This leaves Sasuke opened for attack. In the following panel (left side) we see Bee changing the grip of his sword. In the bottom right, we see Bee move to stab sasuke. In the final panel, we see Sasuke activate the sharingan.
Then we see Sasuke get knocked back. Note that he only has a cut on his cheek. Apparently he was able to avoid any serious attacks (probably thanks to the sharingan).
this one is pretty self-explanatory. Sasuke gets serious and uses chidori to add lightning to his blade.
Sasuke is surprised Bee can use lightning as well. Note that his sword is blocked, so he has no way of stopping Bee's next attack.
Bee destroys Sasuke.
So far, Bee has shown no speed feats that put him above Sasuke.
Danzo's an old man who has shown 0 speed. Thus he's slow.
Who cares, we saw that even though danzo is good at hand seals he couldnt do one after sasuke fired susanoo
I said dodge Sasuke's aim not the attack. Aim dodging would be moving before Sasuke can point at him.
Ok....
I said he'd get hit by collateral, the shockwave, but Kirin wouldn't do much to him as he dodged the brunt of it. Also if he was 8 tails, 8 tails tanked a point blank combo of his own Bijuu Bomb+ the Juubi's
Bee doesnt have milisecond reactions to get out of kirins epicentre
Kakashi's proficiency doesn't matter, his stamina dictates how much he can use it. He can't go from dying in 3, to spamming 10-20 of them. Inconsistency.
So between all the time of deidara to obito he cant get better, good to know.
Bee reacted to and fought Itachi evenly. That's enough.
Refer to sasukes feats
Sasuke saw it and has never displayed what he would do besides turtle in his Susanoo like he does against every attack.
So you can assume bee wont go bijuu mode but sasuke will just turtle, awesome, the second bee puts on bijuu mode for bijuu bomb amaterasu takes him out
Bee stomps.
So much fail
As far as inconsistencies in the plot, it doesn't matter if it's inconsistent because it HAS happened. When it comes to fights like these we should assume that the characters involved can use their high end feats unless stated otherwise by the OP.
As far as the fight itself, until I see the feats Sasuke's about to pull out his ass versus Obito in the next chapter, I can't say who would win. Right now we know he has the potential to surpass Madara (just as Naruto has the ability to surpass Hashirama). I'm leaning towards Sasuke because Bee really hasn't done anything that's too impressive besides flex his physical strength and Bijuu.
Sasuke wrecks house.
@noone301994: but Bee knows that now, do you think he's just going to let sasuke do that again?
How could Bee possibly dodge Amaterasu in beast mode? He's huge and slow. He's a giant target.
The only chance Bee has at winning is going in beast mode but that makes it an automatic win for Sasuke.
Killler Bee Wrecked him in his First Encounter and Nearly Killed him. Without Jugo and Karin he would have Died
@maximumgeyser5: Yeah, go to my above post or better yet, just read it,
Sasuke's reaction feats: beating gaara's sand, countering 100+ shuriken being thrown at high speed close range st him, blitsing tobi and deidara, Activating susanoo just as his sword was about to hit his immobile body, and with there fight...
the battle starts. Sasuke charges Bee, and Bee counters appropriately
Sasuke counters appropriately, and even surprises Bee with his speed and maneuverability.
This is where we see Sasuke's speed caught Bee off guard.
then we see that the kick was ineffective (due to lack of pure strength I guess?). We also see Sasuke retreat, and retrieve the weapons
we see that Sasuke still hasn't activated his sharingan yet.
Killer Bee begins his kenjutsu style.
we see Sasuke blocking Killer Bee and his unorthodox style. Note that the sharingan still hasn't been activated.
THIS is when things start to get complicated. First we see Sasuke continuing to block Bee's attack (top panel). Then in the next panel (right side) we see Killer Bee parry Sasuke's sword. This leaves Sasuke opened for attack. In the following panel (left side) we see Bee changing the grip of his sword. In the bottom right, we see Bee move to stab sasuke. In the final panel, we see Sasuke activate the sharingan.
Then we see Sasuke get knocked back. Note that he only has a cut on his cheek. Apparently he was able to avoid any serious attacks (probably thanks to the sharingan).
this one is pretty self-explanatory. Sasuke gets serious and uses chidori to add lightning to his blade.
Sasuke is surprised Bee can use lightning as well. Note that his sword is blocked, so he has no way of stopping Bee's next attack.
Bee destroys Sasuke.
So far, Bee has shown no speed feats that put him above Sasuke.
and thats an inexperienced sasuke who didnt know how to use his power, if he had the power he used against raikage or aganst danzo bee wouldnt even compete with him, EMS against bee is unintentional spite
Sasuke wins - we cant really take their first encounter into account. The first time they fought Bee was stomping Sasuke - but now he has a much better control over his Amaterasu, a moveable perfect Susanoo which is pretty fast and has enough Power to cut the god tree with one swing and Bee has no answer for amaterasu spaming but Sasuke could just stay inside his Susanoo and keep attacking.
Funny thing is, if the rest of taka hadnt been there sasuke would have definitely died! They saved his life bro! And sasuke sacraficed karin to kill danzo because he thought he minipulated itachi. NO ONE CAN MANIPULATE ITACHI! Not even edo tensei. Sasuke is a lil bitch who get blesses with talent.
After his ass found out itachi did all that because he a g he didnt apologize but instead caught a hissy fit and attacks the leaf. Smch fuck sasuke.
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