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#1 Posted by Cybrilious4 (1766 posts) - - Show Bio

RULES: - Kid Goku is DBZ (No SSJ 1,2,3,4)

- Aang is at his best

- Both are fighting to the Death!

FIGHT TAKES PLACE HERE:

#2 Posted by jamesbyng188 (231 posts) - - Show Bio

The picture makes it seem like kid goku from gt, is it that one or the one from the original dragon ball?

#3 Posted by Cybrilious4 (1766 posts) - - Show Bio

@jamesbyng188: The one in the picture looks like GT. But this is Dragon Ball Goku.

#4 Posted by BlueComet (1042 posts) - - Show Bio

If it's Dragon Ball Kid Goku then Aang wins in a close fight(assuming he's in Avatar state).

#5 Posted by jamesbyng188 (231 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueComet: Has aang ever shown feats faster than bullets? Just asking have not watched avatar in a while.

#6 Posted by jamesbyng188 (231 posts) - - Show Bio

@Cybrilious4: Are we using kid goku at his best? Would Osaru and Avatar state be allowed?

#7 Posted by NeonGameWave (9073 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku due to having greater durability and speed.

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#8 Posted by jamesbyng188 (231 posts) - - Show Bio

@NeonGameWave: Agreed

#9 Posted by FourthDeity (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

@NeonGameWave said:

Goku due to having greater durability and speed.

This.Aaang is outclassed here.

#10 Posted by nickzambuto (14937 posts) - - Show Bio

Aang can only hope to stand a chance against Pilaf Saga Goku. Anywhere after the first season Goku stomps him.

#11 Posted by BlueComet (1042 posts) - - Show Bio

@jamesbyng188 said:

@BlueComet: Has aang ever shown feats faster than bullets? Just asking have not watched avatar in a while.

Yeah, he's dodged lightning in his fight against Ozai and he wasn't even in Avatar state yet.

#12 Posted by YoungChief (308 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueComet said:

@jamesbyng188 said:

@BlueComet: Has aang ever shown feats faster than bullets? Just asking have not watched avatar in a while.

Yeah, he's dodged lightning in his fight against Ozai and he wasn't even in Avatar state yet.

Really I think the lightning they use is MUCH slower than actual lightning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVMBgRpxz3g

#13 Posted by redbird3rdboywonder (4506 posts) - - Show Bio

Bloodlusted/morals off Aang could win

#14 Posted by jamesbyng188 (231 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku was able to defeat the entire red ribbon army, and he should be at at least moon busting level at his age.

#15 Edited by xlab3000 (3355 posts) - - Show Bio

Kid Goku owns aang

#16 Posted by Batman242 (4862 posts) - - Show Bio

Ahhh, one that isn't a spite match from you. This can go both ways. I'd give it to Aang though.

#17 Posted by BlueComet (1042 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungChief said:

@BlueComet said:

@jamesbyng188 said:

@BlueComet: Has aang ever shown feats faster than bullets? Just asking have not watched avatar in a while.

Yeah, he's dodged lightning in his fight against Ozai and he wasn't even in Avatar state yet.

Really I think the lightning they use is MUCH slower than actual lightning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVMBgRpxz3g

No, the lightning they use in Avatar is just as fast and powerful as real lightning. The creators of the show obviously slow it down in order for people to see it properly, something that a ton of cartoons and movies do with bullets, lasers, missiles, lightning etc.

#18 Posted by Hyperlight (6604 posts) - - Show Bio

aang has a slim chance if he plays on gokus incompetence but id give it to goku most of the time

#19 Posted by YoungChief (308 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueComet said:

@YoungChief said:

@BlueComet said:

@jamesbyng188 said:

@BlueComet: Has aang ever shown feats faster than bullets? Just asking have not watched avatar in a while.

Yeah, he's dodged lightning in his fight against Ozai and he wasn't even in Avatar state yet.

Really I think the lightning they use is MUCH slower than actual lightning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVMBgRpxz3g

No, the lightning they use in Avatar is just as fast and powerful as real lightning. The creators of the show obviously slow it down in order for people to see it properly, something that a ton of cartoons and movies do with bullets, lasers, missiles, lightning etc.

Alright then, that's pretty insane then because Zuko was able to react to lightning and block it when Azula tried to hit Katara, and I really didn't peg Zuko as a guy with Superhuman abilities (in terms of physicality I mean), guess he's more badass then I originally thought

#20 Edited by girugamesh (439 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueComet said:

@YoungChief said:

@BlueComet said:

@jamesbyng188 said:

@BlueComet: Has aang ever shown feats faster than bullets? Just asking have not watched avatar in a while.

Yeah, he's dodged lightning in his fight against Ozai and he wasn't even in Avatar state yet.

Really I think the lightning they use is MUCH slower than actual lightning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVMBgRpxz3g

No, the lightning they use in Avatar is just as fast and powerful as real lightning. The creators of the show obviously slow it down in order for people to see it properly, something that a ton of cartoons and movies do with bullets, lasers, missiles, lightning etc.

You're an idiot if you think Avatar characters are faster than lightning. I guess Itachi is faster than lightning too, because he dodged Sasuke's chidori stream? How ridiculous.

Guess what lamb chop; if they could dodge real lightning then there's no way in hell they would ever get hit by any of the other attacks.

Goku stomps here effortlessly, he oneshots before Aang can even react.

#21 Edited by BecauseImSpiderMan (14 posts) - - Show Bio

Aang. why? that is the air temple. He knows each corner and every thing which makes it easier for sneak attacks. also cant Aang just energy bend goku to never use the Kamehameha? Also the Avatar state PLUS Aang's shear speed.

#22 Edited by YoungChief (308 posts) - - Show Bio

@BecauseImSpiderMan said:

Aang. why? that is the air temple. He knows each corner and every thing which makes it easier for sneak attacks. also cant Aang just energy bend goku to never use the Kamehameha? Also the Avatar state PLUS Aang's shear speed.

I don't know if he can take away Goku's manipulation of ki, that would be like an energybender taking an energybenders energybending away which just sounds stupid, and also if it did work well that would be the end of the fight, but I don't think it would.

#23 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (20257 posts) - - Show Bio

@girugamesh said:

@BlueComet said:

@YoungChief said:

@BlueComet said:

@jamesbyng188 said:

@BlueComet: Has aang ever shown feats faster than bullets? Just asking have not watched avatar in a while.

Yeah, he's dodged lightning in his fight against Ozai and he wasn't even in Avatar state yet.

Really I think the lightning they use is MUCH slower than actual lightning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVMBgRpxz3g

No, the lightning they use in Avatar is just as fast and powerful as real lightning. The creators of the show obviously slow it down in order for people to see it properly, something that a ton of cartoons and movies do with bullets, lasers, missiles, lightning etc.

You're an idiot if you think Avatar characters are faster than lightning. I guess Itachi is faster than lightning too, because he dodged Sasuke's chidori stream? How ridiculous.

Guess what lamb chop; if they could dodge real lightning then there's no way in hell they would ever get hit by any of the other attacks.

Goku stomps here effortlessly, he oneshots before Aang can even react.

Well, you're underestimating aang a bit. He has very good reflexes as well. specifically shown when fighting combustion man.. he's as good a martial artist as well. The huge difference in durability is the problem. And now about the lightening. No. Itachi is not faster than lightening, as it is just chakra given elemental affiliation (please check wiki/any source you rely on). In avatar, on the other hand, they use directly elements... wind is wind, water is water.. I don't see any reason why lightening shouldn't be lightening.. Not saying Goku loses easy, but I'd not underestimate aang's avatar state..

#24 Posted by girugamesh (439 posts) - - Show Bio

@PrinceAragorn1 said:

@girugamesh said:

@BlueComet said:

@YoungChief said:

@BlueComet said:

@jamesbyng188 said:

@BlueComet: Has aang ever shown feats faster than bullets? Just asking have not watched avatar in a while.

Yeah, he's dodged lightning in his fight against Ozai and he wasn't even in Avatar state yet.

Really I think the lightning they use is MUCH slower than actual lightning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVMBgRpxz3g

No, the lightning they use in Avatar is just as fast and powerful as real lightning. The creators of the show obviously slow it down in order for people to see it properly, something that a ton of cartoons and movies do with bullets, lasers, missiles, lightning etc.

You're an idiot if you think Avatar characters are faster than lightning. I guess Itachi is faster than lightning too, because he dodged Sasuke's chidori stream? How ridiculous.

Guess what lamb chop; if they could dodge real lightning then there's no way in hell they would ever get hit by any of the other attacks.

Goku stomps here effortlessly, he oneshots before Aang can even react.

Well, you're underestimating aang a bit. He has very good reflexes as well. specifically shown when fighting combustion man.. he's as good a martial artist as well. The huge difference in durability is the problem. And now about the lightening. No. Itachi is not faster than lightening, as it is just chakra given elemental affiliation (please check wiki/any source you rely on). In avatar, on the other hand, they use directly elements... wind is wind, water is water.. I don't see any reason why lightening shouldn't be lightening.. Not saying Goku loses easy, but I'd not underestimate aang's avatar state..

Sorry to break it to you, but Aang isn't even close to Kid Goku at his best.

Of course their lightning attacks aren't as fast as real lightning, as that would make absolutely no sense; nearly every attack in avatar would be close to lightning speed, which is absurd. I grant you the Naruto point, but it really wouldn't make sense for Avatar lightning to be that fast. And no, no he is not as good h2h as Goku, not even close. Aang has peak human strength max, whereas Goku was pushing huge rocks in the early days of Dragonball. One punch would literally be enough to kill him.

Aang, even as an adult, couldn't beat several of the Naruto characters, let alone Kid Goku at his best. Sorry but anything past Pilaf saga curbstomps brutally.

#25 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (26924 posts) - - Show Bio

@girugamesh said:

@BlueComet said:

@YoungChief said:

@BlueComet said:

@jamesbyng188 said:

@BlueComet: Has aang ever shown feats faster than bullets? Just asking have not watched avatar in a while.

Yeah, he's dodged lightning in his fight against Ozai and he wasn't even in Avatar state yet.

Really I think the lightning they use is MUCH slower than actual lightning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVMBgRpxz3g

No, the lightning they use in Avatar is just as fast and powerful as real lightning. The creators of the show obviously slow it down in order for people to see it properly, something that a ton of cartoons and movies do with bullets, lasers, missiles, lightning etc.

You're an idiot if you think Avatar characters are faster than lightning. I guess Itachi is faster than lightning too, because he dodged Sasuke's chidori stream? How ridiculous.

Guess what lamb chop; if they could dodge real lightning then there's no way in hell they would ever get hit by any of the other attacks.

Goku stomps here effortlessly, he oneshots before Aang can even react.

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#26 Posted by Mercy_ (91880 posts) - - Show Bio

@girugamesh: There's no need for namecalling.

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#27 Posted by mypasswordis1234 (1106 posts) - - Show Bio

@PrinceAragorn1: I didn't see a single episode of this series(only the movie, that's all I know from them), so I don't know who would win.

But if the wind is wind, the water is water, and the lighting is lighting.... why don't they use lighting more often? It's the fastest and deadliest element of all.

#28 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (20257 posts) - - Show Bio

@mypasswordis1234 said:

@PrinceAragorn1: I didn't see a single episode of this series(only the movie, that's all I know from them), so I don't know who would win.

But if the wind is wind, the water is water, and the lighting is lighting.... why don't they use lighting more often? It's the fastest and deadliest element of all.

Oh you poor poor man.. why did you see the movie? It's like comparing DBZ to DBZ: evolution movie, or even worse..

About the lightening though, Idk.. Very few of the guys have shown to use lightening, and its more like something you use against the cooler guys. Why kill an ordinary soldier who dies by flame by giving him a shock?

#29 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (20257 posts) - - Show Bio

@girugamesh said:

Well, you're underestimating aang a bit. He has very good reflexes as well. specifically shown when fighting combustion man.. he's as good a martial artist as well. The huge difference in durability is the problem. And now about the lightening. No. Itachi is not faster than lightening, as it is just chakra given elemental affiliation (please check wiki/any source you rely on). In avatar, on the other hand, they use directly elements... wind is wind, water is water.. I don't see any reason why lightening shouldn't be lightening.. Not saying Goku loses easy, but I'd not underestimate aang's avatar state..

Sorry to break it to you, but Aang isn't even close to Kid Goku at his best.

Of course their lightning attacks aren't as fast as real lightning, as that would make absolutely no sense; nearly every attack in avatar would be close to lightning speed, which is absurd. I grant you the Naruto point, but it really wouldn't make sense for Avatar lightning to be that fast. And no, no he is not as good h2h as Goku, not even close. Aang has peak human strength max, whereas Goku was pushing huge rocks in the early days of Dragonball. One punch would literally be enough to kill him.

Aang, even as an adult, couldn't beat several of the Naruto characters, let alone Kid Goku at his best. Sorry but anything past Pilaf saga curbstomps brutally.

I don't get why you think so. Aang in avatar state is very much strong as well.. Maybe not strong as Goku, but still he's got some great attacks.. Also, why doesn't it make sense? (I can see what you mean a bit though) When ozai redirected the lightening, it did travel pretty fast.. or book 2 ep 9... at about 8:00 min.. It sure looks like real flash of lightening.. I think Goku dodged lightening as well anyway..

#30 Posted by YoungChief (308 posts) - - Show Bio

Well I don't know, I have a hard time believing that the lightning is as fast or as powerful as actual lightning. In Legend of Korra Amon takes a direct hit point blank from lightning and he's able to run away essentially unharmed, lightning hasn't killed a single person in the series, it's power is in question. True it did almost kill Aang though, but it just seems inconsistent, maybe Mako's lightning isn't as powerful? I could believe that, the bending in LoK didn't look as impressive across the board to begin with, and if anyone had true lightning well I guess it would be the Phoenix King on the day of Sozin's Comet. Girugamesh, while a bit rude, has a very good point, if they can dodge lightning they really should be able to dodge anything else thrown at them rather easily, take Zuko for example, he is able to see, react, and move in the path of lightning, that easily puts him at superhuman levels, which I find very hard to believe based on the showings he had throughout the series. I'd put Zuko at peak human level, maybe it was just supposed to be a dramatic moment and we're not supposed to think about it that much, who knows

#31 Posted by evilvegeta74 (4530 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm gonna say kid Goku, but the one in the pic is from Gt and is far more powerful than Goku's original kid form.

#32 Posted by terry2012 (5925 posts) - - Show Bio

@NeonGameWave: This.

#33 Posted by mypasswordis1234 (1106 posts) - - Show Bio

@PrinceAragorn1 said:

@mypasswordis1234 said:

@PrinceAragorn1: I didn't see a single episode of this series(only the movie, that's all I know from them), so I don't know who would win.

But if the wind is wind, the water is water, and the lighting is lighting.... why don't they use lighting more often? It's the fastest and deadliest element of all.

Oh you poor poor man.. why did you see the movie? It's like comparing DBZ to DBZ: evolution movie, or even worse..

About the lightening though, Idk.. Very few of the guys have shown to use lightening, and its more like something you use against the cooler guys. Why kill an ordinary soldier who dies by flame by giving him a shock?

Well at least they didn't change the story, like Aang not a high school student:D

I understand that about ordinary soldiers, I thought about the cooler guys. It doesn't seem faster than fire or water. At least in that linked fight. That would mean the water can be as fast as lighting. The fire is wider attack so I understand that, but still. Maybe it's harder to bend.

#34 Edited by girugamesh (439 posts) - - Show Bio

@PrinceAragorn1 said:

@girugamesh said:

Well, you're underestimating aang a bit. He has very good reflexes as well. specifically shown when fighting combustion man.. he's as good a martial artist as well. The huge difference in durability is the problem. And now about the lightening. No. Itachi is not faster than lightening, as it is just chakra given elemental affiliation (please check wiki/any source you rely on). In avatar, on the other hand, they use directly elements... wind is wind, water is water.. I don't see any reason why lightening shouldn't be lightening.. Not saying Goku loses easy, but I'd not underestimate aang's avatar state..

Sorry to break it to you, but Aang isn't even close to Kid Goku at his best.

Of course their lightning attacks aren't as fast as real lightning, as that would make absolutely no sense; nearly every attack in avatar would be close to lightning speed, which is absurd. I grant you the Naruto point, but it really wouldn't make sense for Avatar lightning to be that fast. And no, no he is not as good h2h as Goku, not even close. Aang has peak human strength max, whereas Goku was pushing huge rocks in the early days of Dragonball. One punch would literally be enough to kill him.

Aang, even as an adult, couldn't beat several of the Naruto characters, let alone Kid Goku at his best. Sorry but anything past Pilaf saga curbstomps brutally.

I don't get why you think so. Aang in avatar state is very much strong as well.. Maybe not strong as Goku, but still he's got some great attacks.. Also, why doesn't it make sense? (I can see what you mean a bit though) When ozai redirected the lightening, it did travel pretty fast.. or book 2 ep 9... at about 8:00 min.. It sure looks like real flash of lightening.. I think Goku dodged lightening as well anyway..

Simple, because if you take their lightning to be that fast then you would also have to assume that all attacks in avatar are close to lightning speed, which again, is ridiculous (e.g. why would arrows/conventional weapons be a threat if they were all capable of moving at massively hypersonic speeds?). Aang in avatar state is higher-tier Naruto level, not higher-tier Dragonball. If this was Pilaf saga Goku then I'd say it might be a good fight, but the version of Goku here is the one who can shove huge rocks around with ease, makes bullet-timers look slow and is more powerful than someone who blew up the moon. Sorry, Aang is totally outclassed.

@YoungChief said:

Well I don't know, I have a hard time believing that the lightning is as fast or as powerful as actual lightning. In Legend of Korra Amon takes a direct hit point blank from lightning and he's able to run away essentially unharmed, lightning hasn't killed a single person in the series, it's power is in question. True it did almost kill Aang though, but it just seems inconsistent, maybe Mako's lightning isn't as powerful? I could believe that, the bending in LoK didn't look as impressive across the board to begin with, and if anyone had true lightning well I guess it would be the Phoenix King on the day of Sozin's Comet. Girugamesh, while a bit rude, has a very good point, if they can dodge lightning they really should be able to dodge anything else thrown at them rather easily, take Zuko for example, he is able to see, react, and move in the path of lightning, that easily puts him at superhuman levels, which I find very hard to believe based on the showings he had throughout the series. I'd put Zuko at peak human level, maybe it was just supposed to be a dramatic moment and we're not supposed to think about it that much, who knows

Exactly my point.

#35 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (20257 posts) - - Show Bio

@girugamesh said:

@PrinceAragorn1 said:

@girugamesh said:

Well, you're underestimating aang a bit. He has very good reflexes as well. specifically shown when fighting combustion man.. he's as good a martial artist as well. The huge difference in durability is the problem. And now about the lightening. No. Itachi is not faster than lightening, as it is just chakra given elemental affiliation (please check wiki/any source you rely on). In avatar, on the other hand, they use directly elements... wind is wind, water is water.. I don't see any reason why lightening shouldn't be lightening.. Not saying Goku loses easy, but I'd not underestimate aang's avatar state..

Sorry to break it to you, but Aang isn't even close to Kid Goku at his best.

Of course their lightning attacks aren't as fast as real lightning, as that would make absolutely no sense; nearly every attack in avatar would be close to lightning speed, which is absurd. I grant you the Naruto point, but it really wouldn't make sense for Avatar lightning to be that fast. And no, no he is not as good h2h as Goku, not even close. Aang has peak human strength max, whereas Goku was pushing huge rocks in the early days of Dragonball. One punch would literally be enough to kill him.

Aang, even as an adult, couldn't beat several of the Naruto characters, let alone Kid Goku at his best. Sorry but anything past Pilaf saga curbstomps brutally.

I don't get why you think so. Aang in avatar state is very much strong as well.. Maybe not strong as Goku, but still he's got some great attacks.. Also, why doesn't it make sense? (I can see what you mean a bit though) When ozai redirected the lightening, it did travel pretty fast.. or book 2 ep 9... at about 8:00 min.. It sure looks like real flash of lightening.. I think Goku dodged lightening as well anyway..

Simple, because if you take their lightning to be that fast then you would also have to assume that all attacks in avatar are close to lightning speed, which again, is ridiculous (e.g. why would arrows/conventional weapons be a threat if they were all capable of moving at massively hypersonic speeds?). Aang in avatar state is higher-tier Naruto level, not higher-tier Dragonball. If this was Pilaf saga Goku then I'd say it might be a good fight, but the version of Goku here is the one who can shove huge rocks around with ease, makes bullet-timers look slow and is more powerful than someone who blew up the moon. Sorry, Aang is totally outclassed.

@YoungChief said:

Well I don't know, I have a hard time believing that the lightning is as fast or as powerful as actual lightning. In Legend of Korra Amon takes a direct hit point blank from lightning and he's able to run away essentially unharmed, lightning hasn't killed a single person in the series, it's power is in question. True it did almost kill Aang though, but it just seems inconsistent, maybe Mako's lightning isn't as powerful? I could believe that, the bending in LoK didn't look as impressive across the board to begin with, and if anyone had true lightning well I guess it would be the Phoenix King on the day of Sozin's Comet. Girugamesh, while a bit rude, has a very good point, if they can dodge lightning they really should be able to dodge anything else thrown at them rather easily, take Zuko for example, he is able to see, react, and move in the path of lightning, that easily puts him at superhuman levels, which I find very hard to believe based on the showings he had throughout the series. I'd put Zuko at peak human level, maybe it was just supposed to be a dramatic moment and we're not supposed to think about it that much, who knows

Exactly my point.

Hmm. ok. Mr. rude, you do have a point. ;) :P

#36 Edited by ComocYahweh (661 posts) - - Show Bio

@girugamesh said:

@BlueComet said:

@YoungChief said:

@BlueComet said:

@jamesbyng188 said:

@BlueComet: Has aang ever shown feats faster than bullets? Just asking have not watched avatar in a while.

Yeah, he's dodged lightning in his fight against Ozai and he wasn't even in Avatar state yet.

Really I think the lightning they use is MUCH slower than actual lightning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVMBgRpxz3g

No, the lightning they use in Avatar is just as fast and powerful as real lightning. The creators of the show obviously slow it down in order for people to see it properly, something that a ton of cartoons and movies do with bullets, lasers, missiles, lightning etc.

You're an idiot if you think Avatar characters are faster than lightning. I guess Itachi is faster than lightning too, because he dodged Sasuke's chidori stream? How ridiculous.

Guess what lamb chop; if they could dodge real lightning then there's no way in hell they would ever get hit by any of the other attacks.

Goku stomps here effortlessly, he oneshots before Aang can even react.

I'm pretty sure Itatchi is that fast then, I don't see why that lightning would be slower, lightning is lightning.

#37 Posted by girugamesh (439 posts) - - Show Bio

@ComocYahweh said:

@girugamesh said:

@BlueComet said:

@YoungChief said:

@BlueComet said:

@jamesbyng188 said:

@BlueComet: Has aang ever shown feats faster than bullets? Just asking have not watched avatar in a while.

Yeah, he's dodged lightning in his fight against Ozai and he wasn't even in Avatar state yet.

Really I think the lightning they use is MUCH slower than actual lightning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVMBgRpxz3g

No, the lightning they use in Avatar is just as fast and powerful as real lightning. The creators of the show obviously slow it down in order for people to see it properly, something that a ton of cartoons and movies do with bullets, lasers, missiles, lightning etc.

You're an idiot if you think Avatar characters are faster than lightning. I guess Itachi is faster than lightning too, because he dodged Sasuke's chidori stream? How ridiculous.

Guess what lamb chop; if they could dodge real lightning then there's no way in hell they would ever get hit by any of the other attacks.

Goku stomps here effortlessly, he oneshots before Aang can even react.

I'm pretty sure Itatchi is that fast then, I don't see why that lightning would be slower, lightning is lightning.

How so? Nobody in Naruto is faster than lightning. They range between sub-supersonic to hypersonic in speed, nobody is above that. As PrinceAragorn noted, their lightning techniques are just chakra in the form of lightning. The only exception is Kirin because it is just controlled lightning, and nobody in the series could dodge that.

#38 Posted by VeganDiet (1105 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku.

#39 Posted by ComocYahweh (661 posts) - - Show Bio

@girugamesh said:

@ComocYahweh said:

@girugamesh said:

@BlueComet said:

@YoungChief said:

@BlueComet said:

@jamesbyng188 said:

@BlueComet: Has aang ever shown feats faster than bullets? Just asking have not watched avatar in a while.

Yeah, he's dodged lightning in his fight against Ozai and he wasn't even in Avatar state yet.

Really I think the lightning they use is MUCH slower than actual lightning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVMBgRpxz3g

No, the lightning they use in Avatar is just as fast and powerful as real lightning. The creators of the show obviously slow it down in order for people to see it properly, something that a ton of cartoons and movies do with bullets, lasers, missiles, lightning etc.

You're an idiot if you think Avatar characters are faster than lightning. I guess Itachi is faster than lightning too, because he dodged Sasuke's chidori stream? How ridiculous.

Guess what lamb chop; if they could dodge real lightning then there's no way in hell they would ever get hit by any of the other attacks.

Goku stomps here effortlessly, he oneshots before Aang can even react.

I'm pretty sure Itatchi is that fast then, I don't see why that lightning would be slower, lightning is lightning.

How so? Nobody in Naruto is faster than lightning. They range between sub-supersonic to hypersonic in speed, nobody is above that. As PrinceAragorn noted, their lightning techniques are just chakra in the form of lightning. The only exception is Kirin because it is just controlled lightning, and nobody in the series could dodge that.

How do you know how fast they are?

#40 Posted by YoungChief (308 posts) - - Show Bio

@girugamesh said:

@ComocYahweh said:

@girugamesh said:

@BlueComet said:

@YoungChief said:

@BlueComet said:

@jamesbyng188 said:

@BlueComet: Has aang ever shown feats faster than bullets? Just asking have not watched avatar in a while.

Yeah, he's dodged lightning in his fight against Ozai and he wasn't even in Avatar state yet.

Really I think the lightning they use is MUCH slower than actual lightning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVMBgRpxz3g

No, the lightning they use in Avatar is just as fast and powerful as real lightning. The creators of the show obviously slow it down in order for people to see it properly, something that a ton of cartoons and movies do with bullets, lasers, missiles, lightning etc.

You're an idiot if you think Avatar characters are faster than lightning. I guess Itachi is faster than lightning too, because he dodged Sasuke's chidori stream? How ridiculous.

Guess what lamb chop; if they could dodge real lightning then there's no way in hell they would ever get hit by any of the other attacks.

Goku stomps here effortlessly, he oneshots before Aang can even react.

I'm pretty sure Itatchi is that fast then, I don't see why that lightning would be slower, lightning is lightning.

How so? Nobody in Naruto is faster than lightning. They range between sub-supersonic to hypersonic in speed, nobody is above that. As PrinceAragorn noted, their lightning techniques are just chakra in the form of lightning. The only exception is Kirin because it is just controlled lightning, and nobody in the series could dodge that.

One could argue that the Raikage is that fast or very close to it, and Minato could dodge it but that's not "speed" technically but you know what I mean. Also yeah I agree if Itachi was that fast he wouldn't have needed Susanoo to protect himself from Kirin

#41 Posted by ComocYahweh (661 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungChief said:

@girugamesh said:

@ComocYahweh said:

@girugamesh said:

@BlueComet said:

@YoungChief said:

@BlueComet said:

@jamesbyng188 said:

@BlueComet: Has aang ever shown feats faster than bullets? Just asking have not watched avatar in a while.

Yeah, he's dodged lightning in his fight against Ozai and he wasn't even in Avatar state yet.

Really I think the lightning they use is MUCH slower than actual lightning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVMBgRpxz3g

No, the lightning they use in Avatar is just as fast and powerful as real lightning. The creators of the show obviously slow it down in order for people to see it properly, something that a ton of cartoons and movies do with bullets, lasers, missiles, lightning etc.

You're an idiot if you think Avatar characters are faster than lightning. I guess Itachi is faster than lightning too, because he dodged Sasuke's chidori stream? How ridiculous.

Guess what lamb chop; if they could dodge real lightning then there's no way in hell they would ever get hit by any of the other attacks.

Goku stomps here effortlessly, he oneshots before Aang can even react.

I'm pretty sure Itatchi is that fast then, I don't see why that lightning would be slower, lightning is lightning.

How so? Nobody in Naruto is faster than lightning. They range between sub-supersonic to hypersonic in speed, nobody is above that. As PrinceAragorn noted, their lightning techniques are just chakra in the form of lightning. The only exception is Kirin because it is just controlled lightning, and nobody in the series could dodge that.

One could argue that the Raikage is that fast or very close to it, and Minato could dodge it but that's not "speed" technically but you know what I mean. Also yeah I agree if Itachi was that fast he wouldn't have needed Susanoo to protect himself from Kirin

Who says he needed to? And Itatchi was close to death because of his sickness already.

#42 Posted by YoungChief (308 posts) - - Show Bio

@ComocYahweh said:

@YoungChief said:

@girugamesh said:

@ComocYahweh said:

@girugamesh said:

@BlueComet said:

@YoungChief said:

@BlueComet said:

@jamesbyng188 said:

@BlueComet: Has aang ever shown feats faster than bullets? Just asking have not watched avatar in a while.

Yeah, he's dodged lightning in his fight against Ozai and he wasn't even in Avatar state yet.

Really I think the lightning they use is MUCH slower than actual lightning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVMBgRpxz3g

No, the lightning they use in Avatar is just as fast and powerful as real lightning. The creators of the show obviously slow it down in order for people to see it properly, something that a ton of cartoons and movies do with bullets, lasers, missiles, lightning etc.

You're an idiot if you think Avatar characters are faster than lightning. I guess Itachi is faster than lightning too, because he dodged Sasuke's chidori stream? How ridiculous.

Guess what lamb chop; if they could dodge real lightning then there's no way in hell they would ever get hit by any of the other attacks.

Goku stomps here effortlessly, he oneshots before Aang can even react.

I'm pretty sure Itatchi is that fast then, I don't see why that lightning would be slower, lightning is lightning.

How so? Nobody in Naruto is faster than lightning. They range between sub-supersonic to hypersonic in speed, nobody is above that. As PrinceAragorn noted, their lightning techniques are just chakra in the form of lightning. The only exception is Kirin because it is just controlled lightning, and nobody in the series could dodge that.

One could argue that the Raikage is that fast or very close to it, and Minato could dodge it but that's not "speed" technically but you know what I mean. Also yeah I agree if Itachi was that fast he wouldn't have needed Susanoo to protect himself from Kirin

Who says he needed to? And Itatchi was close to death because of his sickness already.

He looked genuinely frightened when Sasuke pulled out Kirin, I know he was near death and whatnot but hypersonic to lightning dodging is a huge leap. We can only speculate how strong he was at his peak, and speculation, is not proof

#43 Posted by girugamesh (439 posts) - - Show Bio

@ComocYahweh said:

@girugamesh said:

@ComocYahweh said:

@girugamesh said:

@BlueComet said:

@YoungChief said:

@BlueComet said:

@jamesbyng188 said:

@BlueComet: Has aang ever shown feats faster than bullets? Just asking have not watched avatar in a while.

Yeah, he's dodged lightning in his fight against Ozai and he wasn't even in Avatar state yet.

Really I think the lightning they use is MUCH slower than actual lightning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVMBgRpxz3g

No, the lightning they use in Avatar is just as fast and powerful as real lightning. The creators of the show obviously slow it down in order for people to see it properly, something that a ton of cartoons and movies do with bullets, lasers, missiles, lightning etc.

You're an idiot if you think Avatar characters are faster than lightning. I guess Itachi is faster than lightning too, because he dodged Sasuke's chidori stream? How ridiculous.

Guess what lamb chop; if they could dodge real lightning then there's no way in hell they would ever get hit by any of the other attacks.

Goku stomps here effortlessly, he oneshots before Aang can even react.

I'm pretty sure Itatchi is that fast then, I don't see why that lightning would be slower, lightning is lightning.

How so? Nobody in Naruto is faster than lightning. They range between sub-supersonic to hypersonic in speed, nobody is above that. As PrinceAragorn noted, their lightning techniques are just chakra in the form of lightning. The only exception is Kirin because it is just controlled lightning, and nobody in the series could dodge that.

How do you know how fast they are?

Well aside from statements, the feats in the manga suggest they are in that range. Nothing shown suggests they are above hypersonic.

@YoungChief: Lol one could argue all they wanted for Raikage, he's still done squat to prove he's anywhere near that. As one of the faster characters he is generally accepted to be in the hypersonic range though.

#44 Edited by ComocYahweh (661 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungChief said:

@ComocYahweh said:

@YoungChief said:

@girugamesh said:

@ComocYahweh said:

@girugamesh said:

@BlueComet said:

@YoungChief said:

@BlueComet said:

@jamesbyng188 said:

@BlueComet: Has aang ever shown feats faster than bullets? Just asking have not watched avatar in a while.

Yeah, he's dodged lightning in his fight against Ozai and he wasn't even in Avatar state yet.

Really I think the lightning they use is MUCH slower than actual lightning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVMBgRpxz3g

No, the lightning they use in Avatar is just as fast and powerful as real lightning. The creators of the show obviously slow it down in order for people to see it properly, something that a ton of cartoons and movies do with bullets, lasers, missiles, lightning etc.

You're an idiot if you think Avatar characters are faster than lightning. I guess Itachi is faster than lightning too, because he dodged Sasuke's chidori stream? How ridiculous.

Guess what lamb chop; if they could dodge real lightning then there's no way in hell they would ever get hit by any of the other attacks.

Goku stomps here effortlessly, he oneshots before Aang can even react.

I'm pretty sure Itatchi is that fast then, I don't see why that lightning would be slower, lightning is lightning.

How so? Nobody in Naruto is faster than lightning. They range between sub-supersonic to hypersonic in speed, nobody is above that. As PrinceAragorn noted, their lightning techniques are just chakra in the form of lightning. The only exception is Kirin because it is just controlled lightning, and nobody in the series could dodge that.

One could argue that the Raikage is that fast or very close to it, and Minato could dodge it but that's not "speed" technically but you know what I mean. Also yeah I agree if Itachi was that fast he wouldn't have needed Susanoo to protect himself from Kirin

Who says he needed to? And Itatchi was close to death because of his sickness already.

He looked genuinely frightened when Sasuke pulled out Kirin, I know he was near death and whatnot but hypersonic to lightning dodging is a huge leap. We can only speculate how strong he was at his peak, and speculation, is not proof

They always do that in anime so that frightened face was really towards the watchers who had no idea Itatchi had Susanoo etc, and also he was pretty impressed that his little bro had learned kirin. But saying lightning is slower just because it's cast through hands is just pure speculation too.

#45 Posted by ComocYahweh (661 posts) - - Show Bio

@girugamesh said:

@ComocYahweh said:

@girugamesh said:

@ComocYahweh said:

@girugamesh said:

@BlueComet said:

@YoungChief said:

@BlueComet said:

@jamesbyng188 said:

@BlueComet: Has aang ever shown feats faster than bullets? Just asking have not watched avatar in a while.

Yeah, he's dodged lightning in his fight against Ozai and he wasn't even in Avatar state yet.

Really I think the lightning they use is MUCH slower than actual lightning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVMBgRpxz3g

No, the lightning they use in Avatar is just as fast and powerful as real lightning. The creators of the show obviously slow it down in order for people to see it properly, something that a ton of cartoons and movies do with bullets, lasers, missiles, lightning etc.

You're an idiot if you think Avatar characters are faster than lightning. I guess Itachi is faster than lightning too, because he dodged Sasuke's chidori stream? How ridiculous.

Guess what lamb chop; if they could dodge real lightning then there's no way in hell they would ever get hit by any of the other attacks.

Goku stomps here effortlessly, he oneshots before Aang can even react.

I'm pretty sure Itatchi is that fast then, I don't see why that lightning would be slower, lightning is lightning.

How so? Nobody in Naruto is faster than lightning. They range between sub-supersonic to hypersonic in speed, nobody is above that. As PrinceAragorn noted, their lightning techniques are just chakra in the form of lightning. The only exception is Kirin because it is just controlled lightning, and nobody in the series could dodge that.

How do you know how fast they are?

Well aside from statements, the feats in the manga suggest they are in that range. Nothing shown suggests they are above hypersonic.

@YoungChief: Lol one could argue all they wanted for Raikage, he's still done squat to prove he's anywhere near that. As one of the faster characters he is generally accepted to be in the hypersonic range though.

Except for the fact that they casually dodge lightning attacks...

#46 Posted by girugamesh (439 posts) - - Show Bio

@ComocYahweh: Evidently you didn't bother reading my earlier post. Their techniques are chakra that takes different forms, Kirin being an exception because it is actually lightning, and you can take that to the bank because it's fact. If Itachi could have dodged it then he would have, why waste a ton of chakra when you can simply avoid?

There is nothing to prove Itachi is above hypersonic.

#47 Posted by girugamesh (439 posts) - - Show Bio

@ComocYahweh: Are you one of those people who thinks that Sasuke is FTL because of that stupid statement that Haku made, or that Kakashi can react to lightning based on what Gai said? I'm beginning to think you are.

Go and read my other posts, then come back to me.

#48 Edited by ComocYahweh (661 posts) - - Show Bio

@girugamesh said:

@ComocYahweh: Evidently you didn't bother reading my earlier post. Their techniques are chakra that takes different forms, Kirin being an exception because it is actually lightning, and you can take that to the bank because it's fact. If Itachi could have dodged it then he would have, why waste a ton of chakra when you can simply avoid?

There is nothing to prove Itachi is above hypersonic.

We have been over this, there is no reason to think that chaka lightning is slower than normal lightning, no proof behind it, and Itatchi had already planned the entire battle, he didn't want to escape it, he wanted to go susanoo and then suck out orochimaru from Sasuke, then die the way he did.

#49 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

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#50 Posted by YoungChief (308 posts) - - Show Bio

@ComocYahweh said:

@girugamesh said:

@ComocYahweh: Evidently you didn't bother reading my earlier post. Their techniques are chakra that takes different forms, Kirin being an exception because it is actually lightning, and you can take that to the bank because it's fact. If Itachi could have dodged it then he would have, why waste a ton of chakra when you can simply avoid?

There is nothing to prove Itachi is above hypersonic.

We have been over this, there is no reason to think that chaka lightning is slower than normal lightning, no proof behind it, and Itatchi had already planned the entire battle, he didn't want to escape it, he wanted to go susanoo and then suck out orochimaru from Sasuke, then die the way he did.

Sasuke took the time to explain how fast Kirin was, and then said it was unavoidable, and hey guess what it was Itachi had to use Susanoo as a shield. To me that means he was separating Kirin from a normal lightning jutsu with his explanation, Zetsu notes how instead of using his own chakra he would use lightning directly from the sky and even says it will be on a completely different level from normal lightning element jutsu. Read chapter 391 With the Thunder again if you don't believe me