kid buu vs Trion juggernaut.

no preperation, both bloodlusted

Rules

1. Kid buu is not allowed to use power of turning anything to candy, jelly etc.

2. buu is not allowed to absorb him.

3. buu is not allowed to use multiversal busting attacks.(Don't start a debate in this. It is simply not allowed, so just leave it.)

4. buu is not allowed to make more than 2 clones.

5. win by any means without taking help from outside.

6. you can take ONLY anime in consideration.you can't consider anything from outside not even akira toriyama. I did it because anime is worldwide but manga is known to very few people.

who wins? Give valid reasons.

My opinion is that buu is as strong as juggs(he was able to push back spirit bomb) plus he have advantage in speed and skills so buu wins.

Buu is not as strong as Trion Juggernaut, nor is he anywhere near his league in power, nor would his magic work even if you didn't forbid it. This is a mismatch and stomp well in favor of Trion.

Also, Buu doesn't have multiversal busting attacks, so I don't know why you forbade that.

@Dredeuced said:

Buu is not as strong as Trion Juggernaut, nor is he anywhere near his league in power, nor would his magic work even if you didn't forbid it. This is a mismatch and stomp well in favor of Trion.

Also, Buu doesn't have multiversal busting attacks, so I don't know why you forbade that.

Don't write stupid things if you don't know about characters.

@Driger said:

@Dredeuced said:

Buu is not as strong as Trion Juggernaut, nor is he anywhere near his league in power, nor would his magic work even if you didn't forbid it. This is a mismatch and stomp well in favor of Trion.

Also, Buu doesn't have multiversal busting attacks, so I don't know why you forbade that.

Don't write stupid things if you don't know about characters.

Ditto at you if you think Buu could even phase Trion Juggernaut. He'd struggle to hurt Normal Juggernaut.

When did Buu do a multiversal destroying attack? Dragonball Z wasn't even a multiverse, it was a universe that he didn't even destroy.

You made a thread similar to a thousand other threads on this forum where someone overrates how powerful and effective DBZ characters are relative to comic characters.

@Driger said:

@Dredeuced said:

Buu is not as strong as Trion Juggernaut, nor is he anywhere near his league in power, nor would his magic work even if you didn't forbid it. This is a mismatch and stomp well in favor of Trion.

Also, Buu doesn't have multiversal busting attacks, so I don't know why you forbade that.

Don't write stupid things if you don't know about characters.

Watch the hostility man.

@Dredeuced: buu destroyed multiple dimensions/universes while fighting Vegeto.and why are you discussing this thing if it is not allowed?

1 dimension contains 1 universe only.

@Driger: That was Gohan Buu, who was stronger than Kid Buu who you are using in this fight. And he was only tearing apart the dimensions.

1 dimension doesn't contain 1 universe, destroying dimensions means you're...destroying the dimensions. Dimensions that exist are the 3 spatial dimensions that people live and operate in, and the 4th, time dimension that we travel on. There's physics arguments about whether there are more dimensions and how they operate (M Theory and String Theory), but that's not relevant. Dragonball Z never showed anything more than 1 universe with the possible exception of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. It's arguable that Super Buu and Gohan Buu can cause minor damage to space/time (the dimensions), Trion Juggernaut destroys them effortlessly and is absolutely invincible.

Kid Buu only ever blew up some solar systems.

Trion Juggernaut stomps hard.

And when the heck has Buu done multiversal attacks????????????????

@Dredeuced: the 3 spacial dimensions is the universe.

kid buu is strongest buu as stated by supreme kai.

what can juggy do to hurt buu ?

even if buu's attack are not much effective on juggy still he can win. he will just stay away from juggy till juggy dies of old age. buu have IT skill. juggy can't even see him.

Kid Buu isn't a clever fighter. He's not going to out strategize Juggernaut and try to pick him apart. And even if he WAS smart enough to keep his distance, his attack would not affect Juggernaut.

Kid Buu is not the strongest Buu, he just progressed in power fairly quickly while fighting. He was perfectly even with SSJ3 Goku until Goku tired -- plain ol Super Buu was stronger than SSJ3 Goku (as admitted by Goku himself). Gohan Buu is the second strongest character in the series behind Vegetto.

You said multiversal attack, Gohan Buu, who is not Kid Buu, only threatened a single universe, and didn't ACTUALLY destroy it, just made some ripples around himself that were stopped.

@Dredeuced: you really don't know saiyans. as long as they keep fighting they become more stronger.

kid buu > ss3goku(who fought kid buu) > buhan >>>> ss3 goku(who fought butenks and admitted that super buu is stronger). Powers of saiyans increases dramaticaly after facing a near death experiance. goke faced it 2 times after he fought butenks. first against buhan second inside buu's body.

and kai stated that Kid buu is strongest buu. Its not even debatable after he said so.

beyonder was attacked by power enough ot destroy multiple dimensions. and everybody consider it as multiversal busting attack. so this is also multiversal attack. Now I don't want to debate anymore on that multiversal or multidimensional things. they are not allowed so stop talking about it.

AND YOU DIDN'T ANSWERED MY QUESTION.

what can juggy do to hurt buu ?

Buu is far more smarter than juggy. If he can defeat him by that strategy then we have to consider that he win. juggy dies of old age. simple.

@Driger: Buuhan is the strongest Buu. Any DBZ fan with a brain knows that much. And have you ever heard of the term hyperbole?

@SpeedForceSpider said:

@Driger: Buuhan is the strongest Buu. Any DBZ fan with a brain knows that much. And have you ever heard of the term hyperbole?

So you are telling me that a Kai who knows everything about buu and who holds authoroties like a god just said a wrong statement. it proves that you are a fan without brain.

I gave explanation for it too.

@Driger said:

@SpeedForceSpider said:

@Driger: Buuhan is the strongest Buu. Any DBZ fan with a brain knows that much. And have you ever heard of the term hyperbole?

So you are telling me that a Kai who knows everything about buu and who holds authoroties like a god just said a wrong statement. it proves that you are a fan without brain.

I gave explanation for it too.

Then how come in the manga he never said that? You're hilarious, making yourself sound like you don't know what your talking about. Are you telling me Kid Buu is stronger than Ultimate Gohan as well? Because the creator said himself Gohan is the strongest unfused character at the end of the manga. And Buuhan is Super Buu + Gotenks + Piccolo + Gohan. So all those people together are weaker than SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu in your eyes??? You sound like a fanboy. And the creators word >>>>>>>>>>>>> Old Kai's. You haven't heard of the term hyperbole it seems. That's such a shame. Oh and your explanation made zero sense aside from the hyperbole from a fictional character.

Vegito > Buuhan > Buutenks > Ultimate Gohan > SSjin 3 Gotenks > Super Buu > SSjin(post) Gotenks >/= Kid Buu ~ SSjin 3 Goku. This is from the manga btw, the canon source. Try reading it sometime, because the anime is full of hyperbole's.

Trion Juggernaut stomps I forgot to mention.

If Goku was stronger than Buuhan, then he wouldn't have been desperate to fuse with people to beat him. Heck, if SSJ3 Goku was stronger than Gotenks Buu he wouldn't have been willing to fuse with Gohan to beat him. If Goku was stronger than REGULAR SUPER BUU then he wouldn't have said they have no chance of beating him after they escaped his body without Gohan. Vegitto > Buuhan > Gotenks Buu >/= Mystic Gohan > Piccolo Buu > Super Buu >/= Kid Buu > Gotenks. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, Supreme Kai's statement means nothing when Kid Buu couldn't even outclass SSJ3 Goku who was definitively weaker than Gohan. Just because someone SAYS something doesn't make it so.

It was also the Elder Supreme Kai who made the statement, and he didn't know anything more about Buu than anyone else. He just said he was the most dangerous one because he was more evil and went on a straight killing spree with no hesitation, unlike Super Buu who wanted good fights when he could've just killed everyone.

@Driger said:

@Dredeuced: the 3 spacial dimensions is the universe.

kid buu is strongest buu as stated by supreme kai.

what can juggy do to hurt buu ?

even if buu's attack are not much effective on juggy still he can win. he will just stay away from juggy till juggy dies of old age. buu have IT skill. juggy can't even see him.

Look, you're clearly in the minority here. It's obvious that you don't know anything about physics, and because of your ignorance you're not going to convince anybody here that any character in DB/Z/GT has either multiversal range and/or destructive capacity. A dimension =/= a universe; it doesn't matter how many dimensions you destroy. Why? Because dimensions are a property of a universe, they constitute attributes of a universe. In a similar way, having 360 degrees is a property of a circle but no one would be stupid enough to claim that 360 degrees = a circle; they're clearly not the same thing. At best, the only thing you might be able to say is that if you destroyed all the dimensions in 1 universe then you might be able to destroy that particular universe, but I'm no physicist so I'm not sure. In any event, destroying all the dimensions of 1 universe, which may lead to the destruction of that particular universal, is still not multiversal.

As for the outcome of this match, as everybody here has pointed out, Trion Juggernaut stomps.

IIRC....Didn't Trion Juggernaut punch a hole in reality or was it a dimensions?

@Dredeuced: what @Driger wanted to say is that Buu was able by concentrating his power to create several interdimensional rips in the universe and was about to make the universe collapse because of those tears. Juggernaut did the same when he was able to penetrate from dimension to an other by pure brut force.

@SpeedForceSpider:

wait, wait i do remember 2 scenes where it's stated that kid Buu is the strongest vesion, one is Kai's statement, and the 2nd is Goku's statement when he and Vegeta freed there families and Buuan started to tronsform into Kid Buu. don't tell me both scenes are anime filler?

@All_Mighty_Beyonder said:

@Dredeuced: what @Driger wanted to say is that Buu was able by concentrating his power to create several interdimensional rips in the universe and was about to make the universe collapse because of those tears. Juggernaut did the same when he was able to penetrate from dimension to an other by pure brut force.

@SpeedForceSpider:

wait, wait i do remember 2 scenes where it's stated that kid Buu is the strongest vesion, one is Kai's statement, and the 2nd is Goku's statement when he and Vegeta freed there families and Buuan started to tronsform into Kid Buu. don't tell me both scenes are anime filler?

That was Buuhan.

And no, the situations were: Kibito Kai said that Kid Buu was the original Buu who killed the former Kais and that he was a murderous monster, to which Elder Kai (who literally did not know about Buu until the arc started) said that this version was the most "dangerous." That's because he lost the Fat Buu/Daikaioushin side of him that made him less evil and, you know, prone to kill (Kid Buu decided to instantly blow up the Earth, something Fat, or even Super Buu never cared to do). Goku never stated anything about how powerful Kid Buu was in the manga, the only thing he did was kick his ass really badly until he tired out. Vegeta tried to stall so Goku could regain energy, because he was powerful enough to beat him if he was at full strength (Goku states at much), but it didn't work because his living body was weaker and couldn't recover fast enough.

He was clearly weaker than Gohan Buu, and clearly weaker than SSJ3 Goku, who was weaker than Super Buu. Simple as that.

stelamate, buu can't be killed by just phisical strenght, and buu can't kill juggs with just his simple attacks

@BlueHope: This.

Because how are they going to hurt each other? They can not. Add neither can Battle field remove each other, which isn't the case in the Op. Kid Buu is unpredictable and may decide to just blow up the planet there on.

@uberhikari: lol! your whole comment is pointless. just answer 1 question. how will juggy hurt buu? Buu have 2 ways to win. By bfr and by just staying flying in air at light speed untill juggy dies of old age.

@Dredeuced said:

@All_Mighty_Beyonder said:

@Dredeuced: what @Driger wanted to say is that Buu was able by concentrating his power to create several interdimensional rips in the universe and was about to make the universe collapse because of those tears. Juggernaut did the same when he was able to penetrate from dimension to an other by pure brut force.

@SpeedForceSpider:

wait, wait i do remember 2 scenes where it's stated that kid Buu is the strongest vesion, one is Kai's statement, and the 2nd is Goku's statement when he and Vegeta freed there families and Buuan started to tronsform into Kid Buu. don't tell me both scenes are anime filler?

That was Buuhan.

And no, the situations were: Kibito Kai said that Kid Buu was the original Buu who killed the former Kais and that he was a murderous monster, to which Elder Kai (who literally did not know about Buu until the arc started) said that this version was the most "dangerous." That's because he lost the Fat Buu/Daikaioushin side of him that made him less evil and, you know, prone to kill (Kid Buu decided to instantly blow up the Earth, something Fat, or even Super Buu never cared to do). Goku never stated anything about how powerful Kid Buu was in the manga, the only thing he did was kick his ass really badly until he tired out. Vegeta tried to stall so Goku could regain energy, because he was powerful enough to beat him if he was at full strength (Goku states at much), but it didn't work because his living body was weaker and couldn't recover fast enough.

He was clearly weaker than Gohan Buu, and clearly weaker than SSJ3 Goku, who was weaker than Super Buu. Simple as that.

kai said kid buu is "strongest" not dangerous. go and watch the episode "True saiyans fight alone". And you haven't read a single word I posted.

@SpeedForceSpider: I have edited op. now anime statements will considered to be true. and we can not consider anything which is not stated in anime and manga. not even if it is said by writer. If gohan was so strong then why he didn't go to help goku to fight buu. only reason is that he knew that he don't stand a chance against kid buu. In GT also it was stated that vegeta was more powerful than gohan when baby came to earth. and that's why baby leaved gohan's body and entered vegeta's body. so goku>vegeta>gohan.

@BlueHope said:

stelamate, buu can't be killed by just phisical strenght, and buu can't kill juggs with just his simple attacks

Juggernaut

@Driger The anime is filled with translation errors and mistakes. Here:

That's all the Kai's ever say about him. Goku never mentions his strength. Even in the anime they say that Gohan would be stronger, but no one can transport him to the fight after he was revived because the younger Supreme Kai was out of energy. If Kid Buu was the most powerful, SSJ3 wouldn't spend the entire fight beating the crap out of him when he couldn't even fight Super Buu. You're absolutely, laughably deluding yourself to even begin to think that Kid Buu was the strongest. Even if the Anime was more canon than the manga, why should we take Supreme Kai's word as indisputable fact? He didn't even know Super Saiyans were stronger than him and was completely shocked by everything that happened on Earth. The entire arc was about how he was stupid and wrong.

All we have to go on for Kid Buu's power is that he is weaker than SSJ3 Goku, but can regenerate and tire him out to eventually win. That means he's weaker than Gohan, clearly weaker than Gohan Buu and Vegitto, and PROBABLY weaker than Super Buu (Considering Goku explicitly stated he couldn't beat Super Buu even if they escaped from inside him without Gohan or Gotenks' help.)

@Dredeuced: I have edited op. now you have to consider anime too.

and If gohan was so strong then why he didn't go to help goku to fight buu. only reason is that he knew that he don't stand a chance against kid buu. In GT also it was stated that vegeta was more powerful than gohan when baby came to earth. and that's why baby leaved gohan's body and entered vegeta's body. so goku>vegeta>gohan.

I dont know.

Trion Juggs.

I'm leaning Trion if the only way Buu can win is by letting Juggernaut "die of old age"....juggernaut literally survived the harshness of space when Cyttorak threw him out of his dimension. Juggs survived for a week out there untill he crashed on a planet. Also I'm pretty sure that Classic Juggernaut had insane magic rivaling strange and I think Trion might have the same abilities as well

I HAVE EDITED THE OP BECAUSE MANGA COMICS ARE AVAILABLE IN A FEW PLACES ONLY BUT ANIME IS WORLDWIDE.

@daak1212: can he survive for eternity without anything ? proof ?

@Driger said:

@Dredeuced: I have edited op. now you have to consider anime too.

and If gohan was so strong then why he didn't go to help goku to fight buu. only reason is that he knew that he don't stand a chance against kid buu. In GT also it was stated that vegeta was more powerful than gohan when baby came to earth. and that's why baby leaved gohan's body and entered vegeta's body. so goku>vegeta>gohan.

Because no one can teleport him? In your precious anime that is the only thing that matters to you instead of the actual canon material, they explain it away by saying that Kibito Kai is the only one who could teleport Gohan, but he ran out of energy to do it when he teleported to Namek to get the wishes.

Again, even in the anime, SSJ3 Goku kicks Kid Buu's butt and Gohan is WAY stronger than Goku (Goku makes note of it when Old Kai finishes the ritual).

We can debate whatever we want, if your fight has bad or false premises and your argument has bad or false premises, then there's a reason to debate and debunk it. Kid Buu is not a multiversal threat, and is hardly even the fourth strongest version of buu.

@Dredeuced said:

@All_Mighty_Beyonder said:

@Dredeuced: what @Driger wanted to say is that Buu was able by concentrating his power to create several interdimensional rips in the universe and was about to make the universe collapse because of those tears. Juggernaut did the same when he was able to penetrate from dimension to an other by pure brut force.

@SpeedForceSpider:

wait, wait i do remember 2 scenes where it's stated that kid Buu is the strongest vesion, one is Kai's statement, and the 2nd is Goku's statement when he and Vegeta freed there families and Buuan started to tronsform into Kid Buu. don't tell me both scenes are anime filler?

That was Buuhan.

And no, the situations were: Kibito Kai said that Kid Buu was the original Buu who killed the former Kais and that he was a murderous monster, to which Elder Kai (who literally did not know about Buu until the arc started) said that this version was the most "dangerous." That's because he lost the Fat Buu/Daikaioushin side of him that made him less evil and, you know, prone to kill (Kid Buu decided to instantly blow up the Earth, something Fat, or even Super Buu never cared to do). Goku never stated anything about how powerful Kid Buu was in the manga, the only thing he did was kick his ass really badly until he tired out. Vegeta tried to stall so Goku could regain energy, because he was powerful enough to beat him if he was at full strength (Goku states at much), but it didn't work because his living body was weaker and couldn't recover fast enough.

He was clearly weaker than Gohan Buu, and clearly weaker than SSJ3 Goku, who was weaker than Super Buu. Simple as that.

is this a an anime filler ? or wrong translation? Goku and Vegeta state that Buu keep increasing in power when transforming to kid Buu instead of decreasing.

can you provide scans of this scene?

Goku says he gets stronger when they remove Fat Buu and her turns into the Bulky version of Buu who absorbed Southern Supreme Kai -- Supreme Kai also stated that Kid Buu became stronger after absorbing Southern Supreme Kai, so this is logically consistent. He then reverts to Kid Buu who is weaker than the version with Southern Supreme Kai (and thus why Goku can fight and outpace him).

None of this even matters. If he's weaker than SSJ3 Goku then he's weaker than Vegitto, Gohan Buu, and Gohan for certain.

@All_Mighty_Beyonder: sorry, manga comics are available in few places only. not in my country. that's why I edited op and we can consider anime.

@Dredeuced:

Gohan could have gone there by himself like goku. he also have IT.

What about DBGT's facts. there also it is stated that vegeta > gohan.

you don't know actually what saiyans are. ss3 goku who fought kid buu >>>>>>>> ss3 goku who fought buhaan. their powers increases dramaticaly after near death experiance. That's why they are refered as Warrior race.

@Driger said:

@All_Mighty_Beyonder: sorry, manga comics are available in few places only. not in my country. that's why I edited op and we can consider anime.

@Dredeuced:

Gohan could have gone there by himself like goku. he also have IT.

What about DBGT's facts. there also it is stated that vegeta > gohan.

you don't know actually what saiyans are. ss3 goku who fought kid buu >>>>>>>> ss3 goku who fought buhaan. their powers increases dramaticaly after near death experiance. That's why they are refered as Warrior race.

Gohan does not have instant transmission, never used it in the series, was never shown being taught it. Also, Instant Transmission doesn't allow you to travel to the spirit world and the Supreme Kai planet(otherwise Goku wouldn't need special access to get 1 day on Earth for the World Martial Art's tournament) -- which is why Supreme Kai had to be the one to teleport Goku and Vegeta there, and why Buu could only do it after seeing Supreme Kai use his version of teleportation. You really don't know what you're talking about. DBGT is non canon and does not matter here, Gohan also got weaker from the Cell Saga to the Buu saga because he didn't train, that doesn't stop Gohan from being stronger than Vegeta at the end of Z, does it?

There's no reason to think SSJ3 Goku was stronger than Buuhan. As you said, he was ripping holes in the fabric of reality by powering up. Goku was in full health after escaping Buu's insides and was scared to fight Super Buu (explicitly stated he needed Gohan to wake up to fight him).

Don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about when you repeatedly make mistakes that I have to correct.

@Dredeuced said:

Goku says he gets stronger when they remove Fat Buu and her turns into the Bulky version of Buu who absorbed Southern Supreme Kai -- Supreme Kai also stated that Kid Buu became stronger after absorbing Southern Supreme Kai, so this is logically consistent. He then reverts to Kid Buu who is weaker than the version with Southern Supreme Kai (and thus why Goku can fight and outpace him).

None of this even matters. If he's weaker than SSJ3 Goku then he's weaker than Vegitto, Gohan Buu, and Gohan for certain.

complete fail. kai said whenever buu absorbed any of the kai it bring his power level down.

@Driger said:

@Dredeuced said:

Goku says he gets stronger when they remove Fat Buu and her turns into the Bulky version of Buu who absorbed Southern Supreme Kai -- Supreme Kai also stated that Kid Buu became stronger after absorbing Southern Supreme Kai, so this is logically consistent. He then reverts to Kid Buu who is weaker than the version with Southern Supreme Kai (and thus why Goku can fight and outpace him).

None of this even matters. If he's weaker than SSJ3 Goku then he's weaker than Vegitto, Gohan Buu, and Gohan for certain.

complete fail. kai said whenever buu absorbed any of the kai it bring his power level down.

No, only the Fat DaiKaioushin because of his good nature. He became stronger when he absorbed Southern Supreme Kai. Could you please stop spamming incorrect statements in the thread that I have to correct? And atleast learn to be a little polite before incorrectly responding to someone and calling what they say "complete fail," ? I'm trying to salvage this awful debate and educate you on something.

@Dredeuced said:

@Driger said:

@All_Mighty_Beyonder: sorry, manga comics are available in few places only. not in my country. that's why I edited op and we can consider anime.

@Dredeuced:

Gohan could have gone there by himself like goku. he also have IT.

What about DBGT's facts. there also it is stated that vegeta > gohan.

you don't know actually what saiyans are. ss3 goku who fought kid buu >>>>>>>> ss3 goku who fought buhaan. their powers increases dramaticaly after near death experiance. That's why they are refered as Warrior race.

Gohan does not have instant transmission, never used it in the series, was never shown being taught it. Also, Instant Transmission doesn't allow you to travel to the spirit world and the Supreme Kai planet(otherwise Goku wouldn't need special access to get 1 day on Earth for the World Martial Art's tournament) -- which is why Supreme Kai had to be the one to teleport Goku and Vegeta there, and why Buu could only do it after seeing Supreme Kai use his version of teleportation. You really don't know what you're talking about. DBGT is non canon and does not matter here, Gohan also got weaker from the Cell Saga to the Buu saga because he didn't train, that doesn't stop Gohan from being stronger than Vegeta at the end of Z, does it?

There's no reason to think SSJ3 Goku was stronger than Buuhan. As you said, he was ripping holes in the fabric of reality by powering up. Goku was in full health after escaping Buu's insides and was scared to fight Super Buu (explicitly stated he needed Gohan to wake up to fight him).

Don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about when you repeatedly make mistakes that I have to correct.

As I stated in op we can take consider anime. doesn't mattrer if GT is non canon. why are you messing up with manga DB. Just take anime DB as a completely different cartoon.

Gohan used IT skill while Fighting super buu.

Have you ever watched anime?

@Driger said:

@Dredeuced said:

@Driger said:

@All_Mighty_Beyonder: sorry, manga comics are available in few places only. not in my country. that's why I edited op and we can consider anime.

@Dredeuced:

Gohan could have gone there by himself like goku. he also have IT.

What about DBGT's facts. there also it is stated that vegeta > gohan.

you don't know actually what saiyans are. ss3 goku who fought kid buu >>>>>>>> ss3 goku who fought buhaan. their powers increases dramaticaly after near death experiance. That's why they are refered as Warrior race.

Gohan does not have instant transmission, never used it in the series, was never shown being taught it. Also, Instant Transmission doesn't allow you to travel to the spirit world and the Supreme Kai planet(otherwise Goku wouldn't need special access to get 1 day on Earth for the World Martial Art's tournament) -- which is why Supreme Kai had to be the one to teleport Goku and Vegeta there, and why Buu could only do it after seeing Supreme Kai use his version of teleportation. You really don't know what you're talking about. DBGT is non canon and does not matter here, Gohan also got weaker from the Cell Saga to the Buu saga because he didn't train, that doesn't stop Gohan from being stronger than Vegeta at the end of Z, does it?

There's no reason to think SSJ3 Goku was stronger than Buuhan. As you said, he was ripping holes in the fabric of reality by powering up. Goku was in full health after escaping Buu's insides and was scared to fight Super Buu (explicitly stated he needed Gohan to wake up to fight him).

Don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about when you repeatedly make mistakes that I have to correct.

As I stated in op we can take consider anime. doesn't mattrer if GT is non canon. why are you messing up with manga DB. Just take anime DB as a completely different cartoon.

Gohan used IT skill while Fighting super buu.

Have you ever watched anime?

Yes, and disappearing and reappearing during a fight has been in the series since freaking Dragonball. It's not instant transmission, it's just moving really fast, and even if he DID know instant transmission, it wouldn't matter because instant transmission doesn't allow you to travel between the living and the spirit world, as I said, could you please read my WHOLE post before responding incorrectly?

Yeah, I watched the anime a lot of years ago. And apparently I still remember it better than you. SSJ3 Goku < Super Buu, he even says it in the anime. Sorry if this peeves you.

I'm done posting in this thread, don't respond to me. I am much too tired of correcting you every freaking post every five minutes because you can't read or comprehend the most basic premise of a pretty simple show.

@Dredeuced said:

@Driger said:

@Dredeuced said:

Goku says he gets stronger when they remove Fat Buu and her turns into the Bulky version of Buu who absorbed Southern Supreme Kai -- Supreme Kai also stated that Kid Buu became stronger after absorbing Southern Supreme Kai, so this is logically consistent. He then reverts to Kid Buu who is weaker than the version with Southern Supreme Kai (and thus why Goku can fight and outpace him).

None of this even matters. If he's weaker than SSJ3 Goku then he's weaker than Vegitto, Gohan Buu, and Gohan for certain.

complete fail. kai said whenever buu absorbed any of the kai it bring his power level down.

No, only the Fat DaiKaioushin because of his good nature. He became stronger when he absorbed Southern Supreme Kai. Could you please stop spamming incorrect statements in the thread that I have to correct? And atleast learn to be a little polite before incorrectly responding to someone and calling what they say "complete fail," ? I'm trying to salvage this awful debate and educate you on something.

If you wanna teach me something new you better teach yourself. you have never watched anime so just stop posting here.

Do you have any proof that what gohan did wasn't IT. it lookes exactly similar to that of goku.

@Driger: I actually think he can, as long as he has a link to Cyttorak he's virtually immortal and possibly invulnerable. He has survived extended periods of times in harsh enviorments such as under a mountain in rocks and space and he was trapped in the Crimson Cosmos for a long time as well, not to mention you put Trion here which is the full fulfillment of his destructive potential, I highly doubt that a attrition will stop him.

What makes Buu immortal?

buu still has 1 more trick up his sleeve. he turns into liquid and pours himself down juggernault's throat

Also Colossus survived being in the water for an extended period of time with out drowning during his fight with the Hulk when he had the cyttorak link so their is another testament to his ability

@daak1212: I never said that buu is immortal. but the only way to kill him is to reduce him to exactly nothing. something which juggy can't do.

and you don't have any proof that juggy can survive for eternity.

Even cyttroak is not truely immortal. so haw can juggy be immortal. we have characters like beyonder,hotu etc that can kill him.

what I want to say is juggy is not immortal.

@daak1212 said:

@Driger: I actually think he can, as long as he has a link to Cyttorak he's virtually immortal and possibly invulnerable. He has survived extended periods of times in harsh enviorments such as under a mountain in rocks and space and he was trapped in the Crimson Cosmos for a long time as well, not to mention you put Trion here which is the full fulfillment of his destructive potential, I highly doubt that a attrition will stop him.

What makes Buu immortal?

buu won't be killed unless every atom in him is destroyed. meaning he could turn into liquid or gas, and enter juggernaut's mouth. then he will destroy him from inside

@kcaz said:

buu still has 1 more trick up his sleeve. he turns into liquid and pours himself down juggernault's throat

And then juggy explodes and either die or Koed because he has never shown any resistance from attacks from inside.

That's what I am thinking and hence now I am almost sure that Buu wins.

@Driger said:

@daak1212: I never said that buu is immortal. but the only way to kill him is to reduce him to exactly nothing. something which juggy can't do.

and you don't have any proof that juggy can survive for eternity.

Even cyttroak is not truely immortal. so haw can juggy be immortal. we have characters like beyonder,hotu etc that can kill him.

what I want to say is juggy is not immortal.

Cyttorak is immortal as is Juggernaut, it's quite evident that you dont know what immortal is either...let me explain

Immortality-You are effectively ageless as you can not die of old age

Invulnerability-You are unharmable and virtually unstoppable in thought

Invincibility- It's a fuax version of invulnerability as you can die and be harmed but the trick is that with invincibility you cannot be beaten.

Are you asking me for a scan where it shows the progression of time of the universe with the Juggernaut still alive? Your being ridiculous right now and P.S. HOTU is not a person it's an object that Thanos had.

@kcaz: I actually have my reservations for that. I dont think that'll work.

@jeanroygrant said:

@BlueHope said:

stelamate, buu can't be killed by just phisical strenght, and buu can't kill juggs with just his simple attacks

you forget buu still holds one more ace up his sleeve. he could turn into liquid or gas and enter juggernaut's body.

@kcaz: What's stopping him from using his magic to kill him? I mean Mjolnir can transmute objects but that never seemed to be used on Juggy.