Kherubim Pantheon vs Kryptonians

Imagine 2 planets:/khera/34-40910/ and:/krypton/34-30670/

both are under a yellow sun.

Each planet contains 400,000 soldiers(200,000 males/females)

Khera's 400,000 soldiers are(I know I'm deviating from the norm of Pantheon) both male and female Kherubim Pantheon.

50 years of prep time revolving around them training themselves in all aspects of warfare as well as how to properly use there powers and abilities to its fullest extent.

After the 50 years are Up:

Both races are bloodlusted(they will do anything to win) both races fight each other and no one race is declared victor until the other race is completely destroyed.

Setting:

Time: Both races fight under a yellow sun in a solar system where they are the only living inhabitants(no bystanders).

Gear:Both races are completely unarmed and must rely on their fighting skills/powers to win.

Character Versions:

All Kherubim Pantheon possess the same powers/abilities(with the exceptions of telepathy,telekinesis and reality manipulation) and personality as:/mr-majestic/29-21972/

Gender: Male

Height: 6' 3"

Weight: 225 lbs (102 kg)

Eyes: Blue

Hair: Black

(Powers)

Kherubim Physiology: Kherubim resemble humans in appearance, but are physically far stronger and more durable and extremely long-lived, nearly immortal. However an evolutionary drawback to their near-immortality is that Kherans are almost infertile, only very rarely will a Kheran produce offspring. This effect is seen in real world natural environments, as longer living organisms will have fewer offspring than organisms with short lifespans. This is a natural check against overpopulation.

Immortality: As a Kheran, Majestros possesses virtual immortality. His race is extremely long lived and he has been on Earth for literally the whole of human civilization and is showing no sign of growing old anytime soon. He is for all intents and purposes virtually unaging.

Kherubim Lord: As a Kherubim Lord, he is a rare type of 'Enhanced' Kherubim, with abilities beyond those of the typical one. All Kheribum Lords possess unique and specific powers and seem to be enhanced beyond the norm yet the exact nature of how or why this is the case has yet to be revealed. Majestic has all the powers of a Kherubim High Lord, but the exact nature of those powers has never been firmly established. His strength and durability vary greatly from appearance to appearance, but the majority of his appearances portray him with powers fairly similar to those of Superman.

Drahn Evolution: Majestic did not begin life at these power levels. Not much has been shown of his original abilities, but it is known that he was altered by the alien race known as the Drahn to reach his familiar levels.

* Superhuman Strength: Mr. Majestic is incredibly powerful, being able to easily lift well in excess of 100,000 tons effortlessly. The upper limit of his strength is unknown. He has done all of the standard superhuman feats such as punching through objects and lifting weights. Using his immense strength, Majestros was able to take a pencil and use the pressure created by his hands to turn the graphite core into diamonds in order to pay for a meal. He has used his own strength to catch large comets in mid-flight, grab a mountain sized object and proceed into space with it, while in the center able to easily resist the force of a black hole which was so powerful that even a being such as the Eradicator was not able to despite him being significantly further from the center than Majestic. He has even rearranged the entire Solar System including moving all the planets such as the Earth, a solidified Jupiter (Jupiter is 300 times larger than Earth.), and even flew a second star into the Solar System from the edges of the Galaxy. While it is unknown if his power levels are still at the same level, he is at the very least equal footing with Superman, which makes him the strongest superhero within the Wildstorm Universe.

* Invulnerability: Majestic's body possesses a high degree of resistance to physical injury. As such, humans can't harm him, bullets bounce off of him, rockets, bombs, and lasers can't even leave a mark on him and he can survive within the vacuum of space unaided as he does not need air. He has even survived the explosion of an Earth sized planet unharmed and sat inside of a sun without any discomfort at all. He has proved to be resistant to mystical attacks, shrugging all but the strongest attacks off with ease.

* Superhuman Speed: Majestic's speed is just as impressive as his strength. He is is capable of enhanced reflex action and the ability to move at incredible speeds by sheer force of will. He is not only to battle opponents using super speed, but create a variety of devices as well. At one point, he was able to come up with the idea of a very complex piece of machinery and construct it within nanoseconds, and that was after starting over within the same time frame. His maximum speed is unknown, but he has traversed the milky way galaxy in minutes and the universe in less than four months, which puts him at several hundred times faster than the speed of light. As with his strength, it's unknown if he is still at these power levels. Given the versatile nature of flight, it can be assumed that he is much faster when in the air.

* Superhuman Stamina: Majestros possesses virtually unlimited stamina in all physical activities due his body being unable to produce fatigue toxins. This is evidenced by the fact that he flew non-stop for months on end to reach the edge of the universe, which is a testament to how long he can operate at peak efficiency without food or sleep. Because of this feat, it's theorized that Majestic doesn't require food,water or sleep.

* Superhuman Hearing: The ability to hear any sound at any volume or pitch. The only Earth creature who can detect sounds at the frequency he can is a blue whale (0.01-200,000 Hz). He has shown enough control to block out ambient sounds to focus on a specific source/frequency. He can identify a person by their heartbeat, or pick out a single voice in an entire planet.

* Superhuman Vision: He also possess a superior sensory arrangement of microscopic, telescopic, infrared and ultraviolet visual capabilities. He is able to see the entire spectrum. Microscopic, chemical, x-ray, auditory, ultrasonic, magnetic, photonic, etc. It's unknown how Majestic can preform these feats.

* Electro-magnetic Spectrum Vision: He can see well into all of the EM Spectrum. He can see and identify radio/television and any and all broadcast/transmitted frequencies, allowing him to avoid detection through radar or satellite monitoring methods.

* Telescopic Vision: The ability to "zoom in" his distance to see something at a great distance, without violating the laws of physics. The total telescopic ability is unclassified.

* X-Ray Vision: The ability to see through anything except lead. He can see things behind a wall as if the wall were not there, or can "peel back" layer after layer of matter in his mind. Mr. Majestic is able to focus his vision past layers of matter, literally seeing "through" them -- possibly perceiving x-rays, cosmic rays or other forms of energy invisible to normal human vision which pass through Earth's atmosphere (and solid objects) after emission from Stars. Since it is passive, this ability would not generate harmful radiation in the same manner as a focused projection of hard X-rays.

* Microscopic Vision: The ability to see extremely small objects and images down to the atomic level (normal optical microscopes can only see objects down to the size of chromosomes).

* Infrared Vision: Allows him to see better in total darkness. He can detect the heat signatures of living beings or devices in operation.

* Superhuman Smell: Majestic's sense of smell is so great, he can detect the differences between dimensions and universes. His sense of smell also allows him to detect the differences in the atomic structure of matter and also measure the disturbance in causality and the way time flows.

* Flight: Through unknown means, Mr. Majestic is able to seemingly defy the forces of gravity and propel himself through the air unaided. Like many other superhumans with the same ability, Majestic's skill in flight allows him to preform just about anything he could on the ground in the air. He is easily able to reach escape velocity under his own power and has flown for months on end to reach the end of the universe, which puts his top flight speed at several hundred times greater than the speed of light. It's unknown if he maintains this level of power.

* Superhuman Breath: Majestic create hurricane force winds by blowing, can chill his breath in order to freeze a target (this latter ability has also been called "freeze breath" and "arctic breath"). He is also able to draw in large amounts of air, an ability used when dealing with and disposing things like clouds of poison gas.

* Energy Manipulation: Majestros possesses the ability to generate, manipulate and control various forms of energy for a variety of purposes.

* Energy Blasts: Majestic can generate light, heat, force, and other forms of energy in the form of powerful blasts of an orange/red color. These blasts are usually generated from the hands and eyes. While the maximum power of these blasts are unknown, it's been stated that Majestros is capable of easily blowing holes through planets.

* Laser Vision: Majestros is capable of controlling the output of his energy blasts to generate an extreme amount of energy in the form of heat, essentially producing heat vision. Visually, the power is typically depicted as two beams of red light firing from his eyes. These beams can possibly be made invisible to allow him to work unnoticed. The maximum power of his power is unknown, but it was sufficient enough to solidify the gas giant Jupiter. The area of effect can be consciously determined by Majestic, down to the microscopic level.

* Subatomic Programming: For example, he once displayed that he knows how to manipulate photons and transmit information and data with his eye beams and used this ability to rewrite Eradicator's genetic code (subatomic programming), giving him cross-dimensional awareness.

* Psionics: Majestic is a Kherubim Lord and all Lords have psychic abilities. He hasn’t shown much in the way of offensive uses psychic powers, but he has immense amounts of raw psychic power and potential and has been able to effortlessly resist the efforts of other powerful psychics.

* Telekinesis: He has used telekinesis as well but only on few occasions. The extent of this power is unknown, as it's rarely used.

* Reality Warping: during his time as one of the universals Mr. Majestic gained the nigh-omnipotent ability to warp reality, after coming back down to earth Majestic still seems to retain this ability. He has only used it twice in his life: once was when he saved all the cosmos from a Universe devouring being, the other was when the Wild Storm Universe was ending and he and the other Reality Warper's wanted to recreate a new world.

(Abilities)

Genius-level Intellect: Majestros possesses such intelligence that it would be classified as superhuman. When faced with obstacles that can’t be overcome with brute strength, Majestic can evaluate a situation to find the proper solution and implement it correctly. He is knowledgeable in many fields (including physics, cosmology, chemistry, engineering, biology, earth and alien technology) and has more than once shown himself to be as smart as, if not smarter than, the most brilliant minds on his and even other planets. Majestros is a able to construct any device within a matter of seconds, analyze a situation and come up with the proper solution and find weaknesses in enemies. His intelligence (and control over his body) allows him to use his powers in unique ways.

* Inventive: Majestic has also built ships for interstellar travel, sentient machines, bombs, mechanical combat suits and other things using scrap metal and other basic resources. He usually has access to highly advanced Kherubim Technology that he can use, but sometimes he doesn't and has to make due with what he can find. To aid in his creating, he built a Kherubim Forge powered by “pure primal energy operating in tandem with arcane alien metallurgy”.

Master Warrior: Majestic is also a skilled warrior, especially in the use of bladed weapons like most Kherubim warriors.

Weapons Master

Tracking

Stealth: He can infiltrate areas with even the highest security in order to take them down from the inside.

All Kryptonians possess the ability of /superman/29-1807/

Gender: Male
Height: 6' 3"
Weight: 225 lbs (102 kg)
Eyes: Blue
Hair: Black

(Powers)
Kryptonian Physiology: Superman's cellular structure is more dense, resilient and biologically more effective than human tissue. Strangely enough, he does not seem to possess superhuman strength levels despite his enhanced cellular ability without his cellular structure charged with yellow solar energy. Without such charging, his strength seems on par for a human of his height and weight who engages in regular physical activity. As an alien he possesses several organs whose functions are not yet disclosed or understood but are believed to be part of and perhaps even the source of his biomatrix force field and reclamation aura. Superman's body also stores energy actively within his bio-cellular matrix as an energy pattern that is linked to his body's electromagnetic field. This energy powers most of Superman's electromagnetic capabilities such as flight and heat vision. Superman's body also stores energy actively within his bio-cellular matrix as an energy pattern that is linked to his body's electromagnetic field. This energy powers most of Superman's electromagnetic capabilities such as flight and heat vision. It also supplements his physical strength by a factor of 12,000 times or so.

Solar Energy Absorption: Technically, this is the main source of Superman's powers. Because Superman's powers are greatly due to exposure to Earth's yellow sun, his powers have been affected by extreme absorptions of solar power, whether voluntary or involuntary. However, Superman has used this to his advantage in battle in many instances, and to his detriment at certain times.

Superhuman Strength: The exact magnitude of Superman's strength is unknown. This is because Superman's strength, like his other powers, has fluctuated over time but his strength should effortlessly range into the multi-megaton level at the very least. While the exact magnitude of Superman's strength is unknown, it is generally accepted that his strength easily surpasses the capacity to lift 1,000,000 tons, but how much more is not known exactly. Arguably the strongest being on the planet and one of the strongest beings in the Universe, Superman has feats of strength currently, such as being seen lifting an enormous pyramid and flying it to Mars without any strain and they can weigh millions and millions of tons depending on the size, he is so strong that he is capable of ripping off the arm of the likes of Darkseid and physically defeating him in combat, he is so strong he has been able to move the planet Earth away from the Sun while a powerful Cosmic Entity named Starbreaker was pushing it into the Sun, he is so strong he possesses the strength necessary shatter entire worlds. Superman has been chained to the endless wheels of the Mageddon machinery and his strength was used to move the gears of a weapon whose size dwarfed the entire Earth/Moon system itself. He can become "supercharged" and exceed his "normal" power levels as evident when his power absorption ability ran amok which needed the Parasite to drain off his excessive power levels.

Invulnerability: Superman's body is nigh-invulnerable. This ability's levels have changed over time. He has taken a blast equivalent to a million nuclear war heads point blank and remained conscious. Currently he is even more durable than in the past. He has entered the Sun and emerged completely unharmed, he has even traveled through Krypton's Red Sun and survived physically unharmed, even though Red Solar Radiation depowers and weakens him. He has been seen to skirt the photosphere of the sun (100,000,000 degrees F). Superman has even been shown withstanding Darkseid's Omega Beams, a feat that was previously considered impossible. Superman was able to survive the nuclear destruction of the entire moon in the year 2995 when he was stuck in the future. The moon had been lined with sufficient nuclear devices to disintegrate it in one shot and Superman was in the center and survived without being hurt at all. Superman has withstood 3 particle beams, each powered by the core of a planet, fired at him. One of these planet-powered beams was a plasma beam capable of leveling a huge city a few times over entirely with a single blast. Most likely his greatest feat of durability recently, is that he was recently able to withstand the destructive power of a Sun exploding and going Nova (A result of Brainiac’s technology.) at point blank range to the planet he was on (Which was eradicated by the force of the explosion with the rest of the surrounding system.) and survived without any visible physical damage although the explosion did knock him out. In addition, his immune system protects him from all toxins and diseases. The most common explanations for his invulnerability are Superman having a super-dense molecular structure and/or a supercharged bio electric "aura" which acts as an invisible "force field" around his body within a few millimeters from his skin, and presumably within his body as well. The proximity of this field to his skin means that loose clothes, for example, may be burned off of him, while cloth that is close to his body is protected by the "aura;" This phenomenon is sometimes cited as Superman's reason for wearing a skin-tight bodysuit. It is sometimes implied that he can unconsciously extend this field to an undetermined extent to protect a greater area, allowing him to carry huge objects within the Earth's atmosphere and without gravity or inertia tearing them apart around his human-sized hands.

Longevity: Superman can live almost indefinitely.

Superhuman Stamina: Superman has the ability to maintain continuous strenuous physical action for an undefined period. Theoretically, most incarnations of the character has unlimited stamina as his enhanced nourishment is produced from the solar energy his cells process. Superman like other Kryptonians does not get tired and does not need to eat or sleep and can be sustained on Solar energy alone. He can also hold his breath for an undefined duration.

Flight: Under one Earth gravity Superman is capable of flying at faster than light speeds. He tends to fly at speeds of Mach 10 in the atmosphere. His control of his flight is perfect and he can perform aerobatic feats such as hovering, flying backwards and even lifting great weights while flying. Superman can fly at speeds many times faster than light.Superman has the ability to fly in outer space. He has been seen to fly to the moon in minutes so we can assume that he can fly faster than that outside of atmospheric interference.

Superhuman Speed: Superman is capable of enhanced reflex action and the ability to move at incredible speeds by sheer force of will. While not nearly as fast as the Flash (Wally West), Superman can move at speeds much faster than light and is one of the fastest beings in the Universe. Superman can match most other speedsters in their ability to perform super fast movements, reactions, and processes. He can use this power to disarm opponents with or without heightened reflexes, catch bullets or shrapnel or cross vast distances in seconds. Superman can also run at incredible speeds and even keep up with most speedsters; he was seen running steadily alongside the flash at a speed of 2000 miles per second (mach 9350). He has been seen flying from the Moon to the Earth in less than 2 minutes. Superman is so fast that he is even able to vibrate through blows akin to what the Flash can do as seen in his fight with Doomsday.

Superhuman Hearing: The ability to hear any sound at any volume or pitch. The only Earth creature who can detect sounds at the frequency he can is a blue whale (0.01-200,000 Hz). He has shown enough control to block out ambient sounds to focus on a specific source/frequency. He can hear every single heartbeat, as well as the blood pumping through everyone's veins, hear every foot step, every cell phone signal as it lances through the air and more. He can identify a person by their heartbeat, or pick out a single voice in an entire world.

Super Smell: On various occasions, Superman has demonstrated that his sense of smell is significantly enhanced to the point he can smell odours across the entire planet without any problem.

Super Scream: In one instance, Superman was shown to have the ability to project a "super scream" from his vocal cords. He used this ability to cancel out the impending threat of an already exploding nuclear detonation.

Self-Sufficiency: Doesn't need to eat and sleep so long as he's under the effects of yellow sun radiation. His body stores the energy necessary to negate eating and sleeping for an indefinite period.

Healing Factor: In the extreme event that Superman is harmed, either by an alien matching his own strength or other occurrence, he has been shown to have the ability to heal almost instantaneously from any wound, assuming that the process is not impeded from some outside factor i.e. Kryptonite. This "healing factor" is supplemented by his stores of solar energy and also seems to be an unconscious ability, as Superman does not seem to have the ability to control when he heals and when he doesn't. Much like a human has no control over their immune system.

Super Breath: The ability to create hurricane force winds by blowing, and to chill his breath in order to freeze a target (this latter ability has also been called "freeze breath" and "arctic breath"). Superman can also breathe in large amounts of air, an ability used when dealing with and disposing things like clouds of poison gas.

Heat Vision: The ability to fire beams of intense heat at a target by looking at it with the conscious act of activating this power. Visually, the power is typically depicted as two beams of red light firing from his eyes. These beams can be made invisible, allowing Superman to work undetected. His heat vision is so powerful that they are able to power up the giant ion planet moving engines with his heat vision alone, annihilate an entire army of Doomsday clones in one blast, and has even been stated to rival the heat of a Star. The area of effect can be consciously determined by Superman, down to the microscopic level. Recent stories imply the precision is so exact it can bypass a target's outer shell (not causing damage to a person's skull for surgical purposes).

Super Vision: He also possess a superior sensory arrangement of microscopic, telescopic, infrared and ultraviolet visual capabilities. He is able to see the entire spectrum. STAR Laboratories has not been able to complete define how Superman has been able to utilize his powerful senses, part of the mechanism is physical, part of it is believed to be psionic in nature. Abilities include:

* Electro-magnetic Spectrum Vision: Superman can see into all of the EM Spectrum. He can see and identify radio/television and any and all broadcast/transmitted frequencies, allowing him to avoid detection through radar or satellite monitoring methods. Superman can see the aura that every living thing generates.

* Telescopic Vision: The ability to focus his vision to see something at a great distance, without violating the laws of physics.

* Microscopic Vision: The ability to see extremely small objects and images down to the sub atomic level.

* X-Ray Vision: The ability to see through anything except lead. Opponents sometimes used lead-lined constructs in an attempt to hide things from Superman. He can see things behind a wall as if the wall were not there, or can "peel back" layer after layer of matter in his mind. Kal-El is able to focus his vision past layers of matter, literally seeing "through" them -- possibly perceiving x-rays, cosmic rays or other forms of energy invisible to normal human vision which pass through Earth's atmosphere (and solid objects) after emission from stars. Since it is passive, this ability would not generate harmful radiation in the same manner as a focused projection of hard X-rays.

(Abilities)
Master Combatant: He has been trained by both Wildcat (in Boxing), and Mongul in the fighting arts. Superman has fought and learned from Wonder Woman. He has also learned more advanced martialarts techniques from Batman.

Genius-Level Intellect: Superman has shown incredible intelligence and computational abilities; his mind works sharply and with extreme speed relative to earth-humans. His analytical powers are impressive — he is able to use his senses to read information directly from machines (and, with careful usage of his heat vision, he can even reprogram machines). Recently after he regained his powers in the "One Year Later" arc, his brain's intelligence has increased and it operates with much greater speed, procession, and analytical prowess, to the point he can recall things in such detail that he knows the ballistic of every shot by Bloodshot before, the vector and mass of each and every one of Riot's bodiesc, he can see into one of the most advanced Kryptonian Sun Stone Battle Ship and watch energy patterns shift and change, trace command signals at light speed down branching, maze-like pathways whilst, at the same time, finding one small knot of circuitry.

Indomitable Will: Superman has shown to have a powerful Force of Will, completely free of evil or temptation. Having been raised by a kindly Kansas farmer and his wife, Superman was taught to protect life and help others. He is very optimistic and never gives up, even when things look bad.

Torquasm Vo: Torquasm Vo is a Kryptonian discipline that Superman uses sometimes. It is basically a means of focusing ones mental discipline to help fight adverse effects such as mental domination. It can be used to manipulate someone's mind. Superman used that ability during his fight against the Eradicator. It was used to create an illusion to let Superman enter inside the Eradicator.

Torquasm Rao: Allows him to tap into his instincts and separate himself from his body.

So who wins and why?(By the way, if you need specification on something, just ask)

Kherubim's win, they are a pure warrior race, who focus on war, look how superman handled that person in new krypton, same deal here

Kherubims are dedicated to War 
Kryptonians specialize in science 
Im going with the former

So are you saying you would rather be Mr. Majestic than Superman?

@buttersdaman000 said:

Kherubims are dedicated to War Kryptonians specialize in science Im going with the former

Kherubim have an amazing appreciation for science as well, it's just that they apply their science to war in addition to every other aspect of their culture. The have resorts where they control probability (think about using Longshot's powers for entertainment) and deserts made of math just for show, but they also have sentient weaponry and zombie viruses as a common battle tactic.

@majestic99 said:

So are you saying you would rather be Mr. Majestic than Superman?

very much so

Kherubims are more powerful and more advanced than the Kryptonians.

Jim Lee intentionally created them to be superior to the Kryptonians in everyway. Id rather be them over a Kryptonian any day

@MyronLee26: Agreed: That's why username is MAJESTIC99:at first I thought noone could beat Superman, then I learned that DC just makes sure that anyone who can beat Superman never becomes as popular as him.

@majestic99 said:

@MyronLee26: Agreed: That's why username is MAJESTIC99:at first I thought noone could beat Superman, then I learned that DC just makes sure that anyone who can beat Superman never becomes as popular as him.

Which is the main reason why Thor lost to Superman in the JLA / Avengers crossover.

Kherubim Pantheon wins. They are warriors. I am not fond of their draconian philosophy, but in this fight they are slightly more powerful because, for most of them, war is a way of life.

The fight is under a yellow sun. As we know Kryptonians need sun to sustain their powers. Destroy the sun and they are powerless.

Post-Crisis Pre-Flashpoint Kryptonians are below Kehrubim. Not only are they more war-inclined than their enemies, they are physically superior (based on Supes and Majestic).

@jimmy11 said:

The fight is under a yellow sun. As we know Kryptonians need sun to sustain their powers. Destroy the sun and they are powerless.

Not really. Kryptonians store energy in their cells. It's not like Supes lose his powers at night time. He can go on for days without sunlight and he'd still be a Superman. But this tactic would be very helpful in the war if one looks at long-term effects. Though I bet by the time the Kryptonians would have drained all their powers, they'd just have been slaughtered anyway.

@ssejllenrad: I agree with you. Kryptonians will not lose their powers immediately. Using powers, for extended period of time, causes them to use up their stored yellow sun energy. Like Superman, they can lose their powers if they expend a lot of energy quickly or if they spend too much time away from a yellow sun while in outer space. Like you said, in the long-term, Kryptonians will lose.

Messing with the sun is effective in the short term too. I thought I had written this in my post but I guess not, the Kherubim could turn the sun red as their opening attack.

Both races seem to have the same powers/abilities, the only difference being Superman's is external(yellow solar energy) and Mr. Majestic's is internal(genetics). This means you have your powers from birth as a Kherubim Pantheon, but only under a yellow sun as a Kryptonian.

@jimmy11 said:

@ssejllenrad: I agree with you. Kryptonians will not lose their powers immediately. Using powers, for extended period of time, causes them to use up their stored yellow sun energy. Like Superman, they can lose their powers if they expend a lot of energy quickly or if they spend too much time away from a yellow sun while in outer space. Like you said, in the long-term, Kryptonians will lose.

Just to understand-you would rather be a Kherubim Pantheon than a Kryptonian, right?

@majestic99: Yes.

@MyronLee26 said:

Kherubims are more powerful and more advanced than the Kryptonians.

Jim Lee intentionally created them to be superior to the Kryptonians in everyway. Id rather be them over a Kryptonian any day

Just to understand(this'll be my last post on this topic)you too would rather be Mr. Majestic than Superman?

@majestic99 said:

@MyronLee26 said:

Kherubims are more powerful and more advanced than the Kryptonians.

Jim Lee intentionally created them to be superior to the Kryptonians in everyway. Id rather be them over a Kryptonian any day

Just to understand(this'll be my last post on this topic)you too would rather be Mr. Majestic than Superman?

HELL YEAH!!!! :-)

@MyronLee26: Are you saying the Kherubim win this fight?

maj wins

id prefer superman powers

Whilst I'd prefer Superman's powers, abilities and morals any day of the week, in a fight the Kherubims would win. Majestic has demonstrated feats that far surpass Superman's strength and speed plus he has the intellectual high ground as well. Though I thoroughly prefer Superman as a character over Majestic. Superman is my favourite superhero after all.

@Immortal777 said:

maj wins

id prefer superman powers

you do know that Majestic has every superpower Superman has, but is more powerful, right?

I'd take the Kherubims in this won. They're like Vitrulmites on steroids.

Kryptonians

@Lvenger said:

Whilst I'd prefer Superman's powers, abilities and morals any day of the week, in a fight the Kherubims would win. Majestic has demonstrated feats that far surpass Superman's strength and speed plus he has the intellectual high ground as well. Though I thoroughly prefer Superman as a character over Majestic. Superman is my favourite superhero after all.

You do know Maj has all of Superman's powers right?(hence the name "superman clone') but none of the weaknesses?(magic,kryptonite,red sun radiation)

Kryptonian wins.

@MyronLee26 said:

@Immortal777 said:

maj wins

id prefer superman powers

you do know that Majestic has every superpower Superman has, but is more powerful, right?

Majestic is 10,000 years old superman is like 30. Golden superman is what superman can become with time its been 10,000 years and thats all majestic became i want to have growth potential

Both sides could do a lot in 50 years of prep. Kryptonians could hibernate inside the freaking sun while the Kherubim would basically prepare something to counter the Kryptonians. But I'm leaning toward the Kherubim panthenon more since they can probably come up with something to counter those 50 years sun dipped Kryptonians. My assumption could be wrong tho...

@Immortal777 said:

@MyronLee26 said:

@Immortal777 said:

maj wins

id prefer superman powers

you do know that Majestic has every superpower Superman has, but is more powerful, right?

Majestic is 10,000 years old superman is like 30. Golden superman is what superman can become with time its been 10,000 years and thats all majestic became i want to have growth potential

The comparison between how they've changed over time is flawed. Superman was living in the sun, doing something that improved his powers, while Majestic was just living on Earth. If Superman stayed on Earth like Majestic, his powers wouldn't have changed significantly. If Majestic wanted to improve himself he could always use his amazing technology, learn magic (like Zealot did when she became a god), use rituals he knows to become one with the cosmos (like he did when he made a second sun), ascend to a higher state of being (like Emp and other pantheon members have done to become High Lords), or reclaim his powers as Universal. Majestic has demonstrated plenty of potential for growth.

@majestic99: Yeah but that would make me too powerful. I'd want to be able to be stopped in case I was mind controlled or my powers were somehow transferred to someone who wouldn't use them wisely. Again hypothetical, impossible scenario but I don't recall Majestic having any specific weaknesses.

Like alot of people said, Majestic is a superman clone with non of his weaknesses or limits. In a straight fight Superman (modern/Mainstream) would lose horribly against Majestic, any kryptonian for that matter would -again mainstream versions.

But if you dig down and bring people like Kal kent into the picture, then i assume it would be a tough battle... I know little about Majestic.

@Killerjax said:

Like alot of people said, Majestic is a superman clone with non of his weaknesses or limits. In a straight fight Superman (modern/Mainstream) would lose horribly against Majestic, any kryptonian for that matter would -again mainstream versions.

I don't really see Majestic as a superman clone.

@Lvenger: You are right, Majestic, doesn't have any weaknesses.

@emperorznb said:

I don't really see Majestic as a superman clone.

According to Mr. Majestic on wikipedia, "when asked why Jim Lee based Mr. Majestic so much on Superman, it was because he was tired of seeing comicbook heroes with great powers but were too afraid to use it."

Comicvine: Kherubim Pantheon have a combination of some of these powers:super strength, super speed, super senses, incredible levels of durability and healing(invulnerability and healing factor)energy manipulation, psychic powers, flight (in and out of space), hand blasts, laser vision, ice breath and longevity(because the Kherubim are extremely long lived, if not immortal, pure warrior race).

@majestic99 said:

@emperorznb said:

I don't really see Majestic as a superman clone.

According to Mr. Majestic on wikipedia, "when asked why Jim Lee based Mr. Majestic so much on Superman, it was because he was tired of seeing comicbook heroes with great powers but were too afraid to use it."

Comicvine: Kherubim Pantheon have a combination of some of these powers:super strength, super speed, super senses, incredible levels of durability and healing(invulnerability and healing factor)energy manipulation, psychic powers, flight (in and out of space), hand blasts, laser vision, ice breath and longevity(because the Kherubim are extremely long lived, if not immortal, pure warrior race).

That's not what I meant. What I was trying to say is that Majestic does not think, fight, and live like Majestic. Anyhow from the powers that you stated, they are not alike. Energy manipulation, psychic powers, hand blasts, laser vision that can be used to restructure molecules, longevity, and to top it off that they are sterile so it would take them a really long time before they could reproduce an offspring. A 10,000 year old alien trained in fighting and regarded as a Kherubim warlord. Superman doesn't even know how to fight rather than punching and using his lasers or tossing stuff around. And if you're basing it on what other people are saying.

Grant Morrison:

"I’m playing Majestic almost as a mercenary superhero—a guy who’s seen and done everything a superhero could imagine doing—from the beginning of time to the end and into other dimensions and beyond. And like an old soldier, he can’t stop fighting monsters, saving worlds, challenging evil wherever he can find it. He travels the galaxy righting wrongs, while growing increasingly more existential and alienated, pondering the great questions of life, death and being."

Neil Googe:

"He has all of Superman's abilities....strength, speed, flight, invulnerability, heat vision etc, but...he has the intelligence of Reed Richards and the attitude and fighting ability of Batman. All in all he's one serious bad ass."

Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning:

"Majestic is anything but a Superman knockoff. He's a principled, skilled, sometimes ruthless warrior, a champion of his world, an explorer, an inventor, and an outsider to the human race rather than an adopted son."

Final words here are yes he was based on Superman but he is not a clone. Being a basis and being a clone is evidently different. A clone is an almost exact copy while a basis is just what you will use to shape the character and you can reshape that in any vision you want because it is just a basis.

@emperorznb: "Superman Clone"are characters based off of Superman's powers(in other words you have similar powers to Superman). So Majestic is a Superman clone(not in literal sense, according to the definition I just stated)

@majestic99 said:

@emperorznb: "Superman Clone"are characters based off of Superman's powers(in other words you have similar powers to Superman). So Majestic is a Superman clone(not in literal sense, according to the definition I just stated)

"Superman Clone" are characters which has the same power sets as Superman (which Majestic's power sets are different). I'd accept Hyperion being a Superman clone but Majestic? It's like saying Quicksilver is a clone of Flash because he runs fast. Also saying that Hawk Man and Angel are alike cause they both have wings. Majestic has a different power set than Superman. He maybe a basis but he is definitely not a clone.

@emperorznb said:

"Superman Clone" are characters which has the same power sets as Superman (which Majestic's power sets are different). I'd accept Hyperion being a Superman clone but Majestic? It's like saying Quicksilver is a clone of Flash because he runs fast. Also saying that Hawk Man and Angel are alike cause they both have wings. Majestic has a different power set than Superman. He maybe a basis but he is definitely not a clone.

"Clone" as in Majestic was based off of Superman's powers: which means he has similar powers(look up Khera) to Superman but they don't have to have exactly the same power set(Majestic has the same powers as Superman and more).

Besides the creator stated he based Mr. Majestic off of Superman(which means Majestic has all of Superman's powers)=Superman Clone.

@majestic99: As I've told you being a basis is a whole lot different from being a clone. It's just a framework to begin with. Did the creator copy the exact idea of Superman? No. What he only did is that he gave Majestic some similar powers based on Superman. Then if you're saying Majestic is a clone then you say Martian Manhunter is also a clone cause he also has some of Superman's powersets. I repeat, he only used Superman as a basis but their characteristics and a lot of their powers are different. Their speed, reaction time, Intelligence? They are not "clone" alike. Is Majestic being powered up by the sun? No. Is Majestic always the person who has morals within him? No. You only base your assumption on being a Superman clone due to some of their similar power sets which if that's the case then many characters will be Superman clones. They are only based... but not clones. Jim Lee was asked on why he based Majestic on Superman doesn't mean that Majestic is a clone. Also the other writers already said that Majestic is anything but a superman ripoff and the correct logic is ripoff=clone not clone=basis. If you really wanna see a Superman clone then I'd suggest you read on Hyperion.

@emperorznb: You said it yourself, being based off of Superman=Superman Clone

Hyperion is a Superman Clone by the way.

There is an entire list: http://www.comicvine.com/superman/29-1807/how-many-superman-clones-are-there-in-comics/92-390471/

@majestic99: When did I say being based off on Superman is a Superman clone and I know Hyperion is a Superman Clone. I think I'm done here explaining my side on Majestic not being a Superman clone but it seems like you and I have different opinions on the subject so no harm done.

@emperorznb said:

@majestic99: As I've told you being a basis is a whole lot different from being a clone.

You've got it wrong, basing a character off of Superman's powers=Superman Clone. I'm not trying to be mean or anything but many other people use the term "clone" in a metaphorical sense, not in a literal sense.

@majestic99: I know it's metaphorical... I just don't see Majestic being a clone both metaphorically and literally alright? I'm getting tired of this cause we all have our opinions. Some see that Majestic is a clone while others do not. I am simply belong to those who do not.

@emperorznb: This is pointless. Majestic is a cool character. Can we just agree to disagree?

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I would have to say the Kherubim win. Without a doubt.

Not so much in terms of raw power, but because of other factors. They are natural warriors, they have an extensive knowledge of their powers and how to use them. Kryptonians on the other hand, they had very limited knowledge of their powers, going to the point where they themselves don't even know exactly how their powers work. And seeing that on Krypton they had no powers, we can't exactly blame them for that lack of knowledge.

I believe kryptonian abilities extend way beyond what they know and it's shown in comics. Their powers also seem to possess a psionic element to them, and given Superboy (Kon-El) powers, one can logically assume that a kryptonian powers are more the result of the physical and mental enhancement, given to them by above M class stars.

Kryptonians unlike the Kherubim, are never in full possession of their full powers. Just think about it. Has they travel from one class of star to another one higher, their power levels not only increase substancially but they gain new abilities has well. And has far has we know the only example of a kryptonian with access to his full potential was Superman-Prime from DC One Million, and even then we can't assume that he had reached his limits in terms of power level.

But then again we have to take into account that it took Superman-Prime thousands of years to reach that level of power.

The main point is that Kryptonians depend a lot of the type of star they're exposed to, while the Kherubim don't.

Maybe if kryptonians had some kind of ancient record, of some golden age, where kryptonians were exploring the galaxy and found out that they could gain powers, and explored them has much has they could. And that record had been passed down through the generations, then maybe even under a red sun, on Krypton they could have created special suits that converted one type of sunlight to another, and that allowed them to explore all of their potential. Maybe if that had happened, then kryptonians might had a shot at winning against the Kherubim.

But seeing that never happened then the answer is quite simple.

Comparing raw power, Kherubim and Kryptonians are pretty much in the same level, has long has its a G type star. If higher, then the kryptonians might surpass them altogether.

Comparing their culture, knowledge of their powers, and the extent they can use them, then the Kherubim win all the way.

And so this explains my answer.

@myronlee26: um...you are forgetting that kryptonians have greater potential. Their strength can continue to grow over time. And don't forget sundipped power ups. A 3 min sun dip multiplied Superman's powers and strength by x4.