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#1 Edited by Saren (25122 posts) - - Show Bio

Neither one knows anything about the other. Khan thinks Cap is going to confiscate his crew's cryo-pods, Cap thinks Khan is going to, I dunno, take away apple pie and baseball forever. I think that's regular morals? Right.

Round 1: Cap vs Khan, pure H2H. No shield.

Round 2: Cap vs Khan, Cap has his shield.

Round 3: Cap + Black Widow vs Khan, Cap has his shield, Widow has her ridiculously small guns, Khan has the weapons he used against the Klingon forces. No morals for all.

#2 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (4055 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane: isn't the title a spoiler? The characters name wasn't released as Khan..

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#3 Posted by Saren (25122 posts) - - Show Bio
#4 Edited by Strider92 (16837 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Khan. His durability and speed seemed pretty damn good and without the shield it might be hard for Cap to put him down.

Round 2: Cap. Unarmed Khan is at a disadvantage here.

Round 3: Khan wrecks them. Those guns and the speed and accuracy he was using them with was stupidly good. Widow is a non-factor and Cap won't get close enough to take Khan down.

P.S you beat me too it! I was gonna make a Khan thread today :p

#5 Edited by Saren (25122 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Khan. His durability and speed seemed pretty damn good and without the shield it might be hard for Cap to put him down.

Round 2: Cap. Unarmed Khan is at a disadvantage here.

What's Cap done with the shield that increases the chances of him putting Khan down?

#6 Edited by Strider92 (16837 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane: I just get the feeling that while he wouldn't win an unarmed fight Cap would still land some hits only they would be largely ineffective on Khan. With the shield however it allows him to deal more damage. It even gives Cap a ranged advantage due to his accuracy with his shield-throws adding in some unpredictability for Khan to deal with. Its by no means an easy fight and Cap wouldn't take a big majority but I think being armed gives Steve the slight advantage he needs.

#7 Posted by Deranged Midget (17974 posts) - - Show Bio

Eh, I'd have to say Harrison takes every round, especially the third with absolute ease. To have a fair comparison, Harrison took Kirk's punches as if they were nothing so it's evident that his durability is easily superhuman. When fighting regular humans aboard the Admiral's ship, he dispatched them with ease, even kicking a man several metres backwards. Cap has shown similar results in terms of strength as he tossed around Hydra soldiers rather easily and even after taking a bullet, he moved around effortlessly enough to catch up to that Hydra submarine and toss the man out of the water onto the harbour.

So strength should be relatively the same although I think Harrison has shown more decisive durability feats in terms of hand-to-hand combat. Even after being hit by the Phaser's stun rounds multiple times, he was still standing and he took several shots to the face from Spock before being knocked out.

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#8 Posted by rdskns4eva (201 posts) - - Show Bio

Harrison in round 1 - I'd say Cap is stronger, faster and more agile (at least he showed more of those feats in the movies compared to John.) John is strong, but he wasn't making dudes fly across rooms from punches strong. He doesn't have anywhere near Caps agility or fighting finesse/skill. He almost has a Wolverine quality when he fights - Just do major damage and soak in whatever damage I can. What he does have is more durability and pain tolerance. Dude is a beast and can take hay-makers like he's being tickled. Blunt force inst going to take John out, but...

Cap in round 2 - ...Cap has two things going for him here. 1. He aint Captain Kirk. He's Captain America. John will feel his hits. And 2 the shield can be used as an edge weapon. John seems to be susceptible to edge weapons, and here is where the shield comes into play. With the Shield, Cap cut the arm from an alien right out of the socket like a hot knife through butter. John can take blunt force like it's nobodies business, but he can be cut/slashed/pierced., so Caps shield will do major damage. Also, remember, Cap is stronger than John, based on feats, so the impact of the power in conjunction with the shield means knockout city.

Cap in Round 3 - With the Shield he can close the gap quickly and decapitate him with the shield. Those guns that John used were strong but they were not Thor's hammer strong, which Cap had not problem blocking with his shield. Cap has the strength, speed, agility and skill to block each shot, close the gap and take John out. Widow dies, unless she uses stealth and snipes him in the head with her peashooters.

#9 Edited by Nerx (15087 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain America (just watched star trek into darkness earlier today)

Melee goes to cap

#10 Posted by never give up (9726 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

#11 Posted by SheenLantern (6910 posts) - - Show Bio

Khan wrecks

#12 Posted by never give up (9726 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

#13 Posted by ComicStooge (14038 posts) - - Show Bio

Khan wins, but Into Darkness sucked.

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#15 Posted by logy5000 (6167 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Khan. Steve has too many morals. Khan smashed Marcus' head between his hands when he was completely in character.

Round 2: Captain America. His shield puts him at a big advantage.

Round 3: Khan wrecks in 5 seconds.

#16 Edited by RogueShadow (12008 posts) - - Show Bio

Wuuuuuut, I think Cap wins a huge majority.

#17 Posted by logy5000 (6167 posts) - - Show Bio

Wuuuuuut, I think Cap wins a huge majority.

Maybe in round 2.

#18 Edited by never give up (9726 posts) - - Show Bio

This thread needs to be bumped when this movie comes out.

#19 Posted by ComicStooge (14038 posts) - - Show Bio
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#20 Posted by ComicStooge (14038 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyway, with the release of TWS, I'll give my vote to Cap.

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#21 Posted by dondave (38903 posts) - - Show Bio

Steve

#22 Posted by ozeol (497 posts) - - Show Bio

Daredevil

#23 Edited by r2datu (720 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap wins in R1 and R2 with moderate difficulty. Harrison wins in R3. Those guns were ridiculous.

#24 Edited by MichaelJulius (286 posts) - - Show Bio

As much as I love Cap, I don't see him winning. Movie Cap doesn't have the hand to hand experience or tactical genius that Kahn does. Also, I can't see Cap tanking getting bopped over the head with a pointed chunk of solid metal by someone as physically powerful as Spock...and come out of that blow without a scratch on him. I feel like Kahns durability is a lot higher than Caps.

Kahn all three rounds.

#25 Posted by ComicStooge (14038 posts) - - Show Bio

@michaeljulius: Cap's been shot with a Chitauri laser rifle, taken punches from Red Skull and a beating from Bucky's metal arm. He's stomped Batroc, stalemated then later defeated the Winter Soldier, staggered Loki and other such combat feats.

As I recall, Khan's best feat was against Spock.

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#26 Edited by MichaelJulius (286 posts) - - Show Bio

I saw Captain America get hurt from an energy based weapon to the midsection, hold it and severely slow down from it and wince in great pain, not take a hit in the skull from a solid piece of metal the size of a shoe box swung by a guy who can perform physical feats similar to Cap and not take much damage at all from it. I personally think Kahn would do everything Cap did, and better. I think he is both physically and mentally superior. He is a tactical bread super solider alien from a race of beings far more advanced than humans. I don't think Bucky with his metal arm is as strong as Spock or Kahn, especially not as strong as them wielding a shoe boxed size solid pointed and jagged piece of metal.

It is safe to say Kahn and Cap are pretty much equal with physical strength and physical abilities in general, Cap jumps off a 100+ foot bridge and is fine, Kahn drops 30meters and doesn't think twice about it, Cap jumps 15ft straight up, so does Spock and Kahn. When it comes to durability, Kahn tanking that piece of metal on his skull by someone as physically potent as Spock takes the cake for feats imo. and its just that...my opinion,

@comicstooge said:

@michaeljulius: Cap's been shot with a Chitauri laser rifle, taken punches from Red Skull and a beating from Bucky's metal arm. He's stomped Batroc, stalemated then later defeated the Winter Soldier, staggered Loki and other such combat feats.

As I recall, Khan's best feat was against Spock.

#27 Edited by ComicStooge (14038 posts) - - Show Bio

@michaeljulius: What makes Spock so impressive? Wasn't his best feat owning Kirk, who lost pretty much every fight he'd ever been in?

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#28 Posted by r2datu (720 posts) - - Show Bio

I saw Captain America get hurt from an energy based weapon to the midsection, hold it and severely slow down from it and wince in great pain, not take a hit in the skull from a solid piece of metal the size of a shoe box swung by a guy who can perform physical feats similar to Cap and not take much damage at all from it. I personally think Kahn would do everything Cap did, and better. I think he is both physically and mentally superior. He is a tactical bread super solider alien from a race of beings far more advanced than humans. I don't think Bucky with his metal arm is as strong as Spock or Kahn, especially not as strong as them wielding a shoe boxed size solid pointed and jagged piece of metal.

It is safe to say Kahn and Cap are pretty much equal with physical strength and physical abilities in general, Cap jumps off a 100+ foot bridge and is fine, Kahn drops 30meters and doesn't think twice about it, Cap jumps 15ft straight up, so does Spock and Kahn. When it comes to durability, Kahn tanking that piece of metal on his skull by someone as physically potent as Spock takes the cake for feats imo. and its just that...my opinion,

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@michaeljulius: Cap's been shot with a Chitauri laser rifle, taken punches from Red Skull and a beating from Bucky's metal arm. He's stomped Batroc, stalemated then later defeated the Winter Soldier, staggered Loki and other such combat feats.

As I recall, Khan's best feat was against Spock.

I saw Captain America get hurt from an energy based weapon to the midsection, hold it and severely slow down from it and wince in great pain, not take a hit in the skull from a solid piece of metal the size of a shoe box swung by a guy who can perform physical feats similar to Cap and not take much damage at all from it.

Chitauri blasts can rip through steel and damage Iron Man's armor. Spock has not performed any physical feats on the level of Cap or Winter Soldier.

I don't think Bucky with his metal arm is as strong as Spock or Kahn, especially not as strong as them wielding a shoe boxed size solid pointed and jagged piece of metal.

Bucky's metal arm was able to punch a hole through concrete (and more impressively so, a road, considering the thickness bracing it) and rip the door off of an armored car like a toy. He overpowered Captain America on three separate occasions (who by your admission is as strong as Khan, if not moreso). His arm was hard enough that it deflected Cap's shield on multiple occasions, which had been shown to rip through reinforced, bullet-proof metal like tissue paper. It's certainly much harder than a piece of metal. Spock hasn't shown anything close to that level of strength.

When it comes to durability, Kahn tanking that piece of metal on his skull by someone as physically potent as Spock takes the cake for feats imo. and its just that...my opinion,

Bucky has better strength feats than Spock and struck Steve multiple times with an object far harder than Spock's piece of metal (Bucky's bionic arm). Not only that, Cap took hits from Loki without being injured. He was blown off of a bridge by an RPG and propelled headfirst through a bus that was then hit by a truck and was still able to get up uninjured, take down an entire troop of SHIELD strike agents and then fight one on one with Bucky.

#29 Posted by ComicStooge (14038 posts) - - Show Bio
@r2datu said:

@michaeljulius said:

I saw Captain America get hurt from an energy based weapon to the midsection, hold it and severely slow down from it and wince in great pain, not take a hit in the skull from a solid piece of metal the size of a shoe box swung by a guy who can perform physical feats similar to Cap and not take much damage at all from it. I personally think Kahn would do everything Cap did, and better. I think he is both physically and mentally superior. He is a tactical bread super solider alien from a race of beings far more advanced than humans. I don't think Bucky with his metal arm is as strong as Spock or Kahn, especially not as strong as them wielding a shoe boxed size solid pointed and jagged piece of metal.

It is safe to say Kahn and Cap are pretty much equal with physical strength and physical abilities in general, Cap jumps off a 100+ foot bridge and is fine, Kahn drops 30meters and doesn't think twice about it, Cap jumps 15ft straight up, so does Spock and Kahn. When it comes to durability, Kahn tanking that piece of metal on his skull by someone as physically potent as Spock takes the cake for feats imo. and its just that...my opinion,

@comicstooge said:

@michaeljulius: Cap's been shot with a Chitauri laser rifle, taken punches from Red Skull and a beating from Bucky's metal arm. He's stomped Batroc, stalemated then later defeated the Winter Soldier, staggered Loki and other such combat feats.

As I recall, Khan's best feat was against Spock.

I saw Captain America get hurt from an energy based weapon to the midsection, hold it and severely slow down from it and wince in great pain, not take a hit in the skull from a solid piece of metal the size of a shoe box swung by a guy who can perform physical feats similar to Cap and not take much damage at all from it.

Chitauri blasts can rip through steel and damage Iron Man's armor. Spock has not performed any physical feats on the level of Cap or Winter Soldier.

I don't think Bucky with his metal arm is as strong as Spock or Kahn, especially not as strong as them wielding a shoe boxed size solid pointed and jagged piece of metal.

Bucky's metal arm was able to punch a hole through concrete (and more impressively so, a road, considering the thickness bracing it) and rip the door off of an armored car like a toy. He overpowered Captain America on three separate occasions (who by your admission is as strong as Khan, if not moreso). His arm was hard enough that it deflected Cap's shield on multiple occasions, which had been shown to rip through reinforced, bullet-proof metal like tissue paper. It's certainly much harder than a piece of metal. Spock hasn't shown anything close to that level of strength.

When it comes to durability, Kahn tanking that piece of metal on his skull by someone as physically potent as Spock takes the cake for feats imo. and its just that...my opinion,

Bucky has better strength feats than Spock and struck Steve multiple times with an object far harder than Spock's piece of metal (Bucky's bionic arm). Not only that, Cap took hits from Loki without being injured. He was blown off of a bridge by an RPG and propelled headfirst through a bus that was then hit by a truck and was still able to get up uninjured, take down an entire troop of SHIELD strike agents and then fight one on one with Bucky.

This is what I wanted to say, but a lot better.

Kudos.

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#30 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (5330 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap is superior

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#31 Edited by r2datu (720 posts) - - Show Bio

Spock's only other showing once against Kirk, where he wasn't even able to knock Kirk out. Kirk absorbed multiple strikes without being knocked out and was able to stand afterwards even though he is just a regular human. No ordinary human was able to survive more than two or three strikes from either Cap or Bucky.

#32 Edited by Cregan_Stark (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

I like Cap in this one, he was super impressive in The Winter Soldier. It goes to show just how powerful the other avengers are.

#33 Posted by logy5000 (6167 posts) - - Show Bio

Steve should win rounds 1 and 2 with difficulty, but Khan wrecks round 3.

#35 Posted by Silverrings (2386 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Cap is stronger, Khan is faster and their durability is pretty even. They are both skilled in different ways but i think Khan may have the edge there. He's obviously nastier when fighting humans, being a bad guy and all. Cap shield would help with defence but not so much offence, as landing a hit will be difficult. However, when it comes to the last round Khan should stomp, because those guns were tremendous. The big one downed a spaceship with a single shot.

#36 Posted by Killerwasp (6692 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Khan. His durability and speed seemed pretty damn good and without the shield it might be hard for Cap to put him down.

Round 2: Cap. Unarmed Khan is at a disadvantage here.

Round 3: Khan wrecks them. Those guns and the speed and accuracy he was using them with was stupidly good. Widow is a non-factor and Cap won't get close enough to take Khan down.

P.S you beat me too it! I was gonna make a Khan thread today :p

#37 Posted by Killerwasp (6692 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Cap is stronger, Khan is faster and their durability is pretty even. They are both skilled in different ways but i think Khan may have the edge there. He's obviously nastier when fighting humans, being a bad guy and all. Cap shield would help with defence but not so much offence, as landing a hit will be difficult. However, when it comes to the last round Khan should stomp, because those guns were tremendous. The big one downed a spaceship with a single shot.

How strong is cap? I mean i've seen both movies, but how strong is he?

#38 Edited by DarthAznable (8220 posts) - - Show Bio

Khan has some crazy durability and he's either stronger than Cap or just as strong. Not sure. I'd say Cap is the better fighter

#39 Posted by Silverrings (2386 posts) - - Show Bio

@killerwasp said:

How strong is cap? I mean i've seen both movies, but how strong is he?

I have no idea exactly how strong Cap is, i don't know if a number gets put on it in any of the films, but he seemed to be able to make huge jumps and hit Chitauri and humans around with ease, so i think he's as strong as or stronger than Khan.

#40 Edited by Killerwasp (6692 posts) - - Show Bio

@silverrings said:

@killerwasp said:

How strong is cap? I mean i've seen both movies, but how strong is he?

I have no idea exactly how strong Cap is, i don't know if a number gets put on it in any of the films, but he seemed to be able to make huge jumps and hit Chitauri and humans around with ease, so i think he's as strong as or stronger than Khan.

I dont think hes stronger, Khan is as strong as ten men ( ofc at the peak or so. ) Also klingons are stronger than humans as well.

#41 Posted by RogueShadow (12008 posts) - - Show Bio

KHAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNN dies.

#42 Posted by Erik (33327 posts) - - Show Bio

It's probably closer than most people might think.

#43 Posted by Silverrings (2386 posts) - - Show Bio

@killerwasp said:

I dont think hes stronger, Khan is as strong as ten men ( ofc at the peak or so. ) Also klingons are stronger than humans as well.

Nah, Cap is at least as strong, maybe stronger, seeing as he was sending men and Chitauri flying several feet away with punches and kicks, not to mention his shield. I think Khan is faster, Cap is more agile and their durability and skills are pretty much even. That's all i have to say on this.

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#45 Posted by Mayan_Fist (929 posts) - - Show Bio

@killerwasp:

Captain America has similar durability feats to Khan, considering that he was able to take out a dozen or so guys in the elevator and keep on fighting, despite having his hand stuck to the wall and being tazed in the heart multiple times.

#46 Edited by Fallschirmjager (18969 posts) - - Show Bio

KHAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNN dies.

Agree, thread was made before TWS though, where I think it was a much closer match.

#47 Edited by logy5000 (6167 posts) - - Show Bio

KHAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNN dies.

Not necessarily. Cap has superior strength and skills, but Khan is more aggressive and more durable.

#48 Posted by never give up (9726 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

@rogueshadow said:

KHAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNN dies.

Not necessarily. Cap has superior strength and skills, but Khan is more aggressive and more durable.

#49 Edited by those_eyes (8161 posts) - - Show Bio

@silverrings: cap is not stronger than Kahn. Remember the elevator scene where 3 men where holding his arm back and he was struggling?

#50 Posted by Lardplanet (115 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain wrecks, anyone who says otherwise clearly didn't watch the Winter Soldier, where his feats put him above Khan.