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#1 Posted by Tradog (1768 posts) - - Show Bio

Kenshiro can fly and shoot energy as seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofh7S9sR_hY&feature=player_embedded


Okay ken's advantages:Musou Tensei allows him to flow around/through physical attacks and draw power from the void to move at incredible speed and with great power. He also uses the spirits of those he’s fought.

The only thing that could get him out of it was a ki spell which could warp space and reverse gravity. I presume large energy explosions would also hit him from it, but it’s supreme against physical attacks is the central character of the Fist of the North Star manga, anime, and other related works. He is the 64th successor to the Hokuto Shinken after his adopted father, Ryuken. He is considered one of the greatest successors in Hokuto Shinken history, due to his knowledge of certain legendary techniques like “Musou Tensei”. In a survey conducted by the Oricon in 2007 between 1,000 people, Kenshiro ranked third place as the strongest manga character of all time. A strong and mostly stoic character, Kenshirô is compelled to punish evil-doers and can perform feats not possible for most people. His mastery of the ancient martial art Hokuto Shinken allows him to kill or cripple with a mere touch. The results tend to be very messy as this usually causes parts of the victim to explode but the art also includes several other means of killing. He can also use this art to heal or to alter people’s behaviour. Later in the series Kenshirô learns parts of other martial arts. 

When angry his spiritual powers reach their peak, normally culminating in the dramatic destruction of his shirt and jacket (which—despite the obvious lack of a wardrobe or clothing store—are always replaced in the next episode or story arc) to expose his muscular torso. 

His catchphrase is Omae wa mô shindeiru, meaning “You are already dead”, which he usually says before a villain’s head is about to explode. 

Due to the symbolic scar in the pattern of the Big Dipper given to him by Shin, Kenshirô is frequently referred to as “the man with seven scars” by those who do not know his name.Fighting Style: 

Hokuto Shinken “Divine Fist of the North Dipper”, aka the “Divine Fist of the North Star” is the titular martial art of the Fist of the North Star series used by Kenshiro and his three adopted brothers. It is a 1,800 year-old (2,000 years in the original anime series) Chinese fighting style that utilizes the body’s 708 tsubos of the keiraku hikô, “secret channeling points” to cause destruction from within. It is said that the average person only uses 30% of their body’s strength, whereas those trained in Hokuto Shinken are taught to tap into the remaining 70% in order to perform their destructive techniques. The history of Hokuto Shinken gradually unfolds throughout the course of the manga’s storyline and its later prequel, Fist of the Blue Sky. Now for goku Research firm Oricon recently conducted a survey of 1,000 people, ranging from high school students to men and women in their forties. They were asked, “Who do you think is the strongest manga character ever?" 

Not too surprisingly, the #1 choice was Son Goku from Dragonball. Second place went to the famous robotic cat Doraemon, chosen not for his physical strength, but for his huge assortment of tools and gadgets. Kenshiro from Fist of the North Star was ranked next, followed by Monkey D. Luffy (One Piece) and the android Arale Norimaki (Dr. Slump). 

Who wins?
#2 Posted by King Saturn (225699 posts) - - Show Bio
Superman wins... but the fight could be interesting still though
#3 Posted by Static Shock (47641 posts) - - Show Bio

How fast does Kenshiro react?

#4 Posted by King Saturn (225699 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock said:
" How fast does Kenshiro react? "
hard to say... but its definately Superhuman... and depending on if we are using the Kenshiro from the FOTNS Films instead of the Cartoon Show that used to come on Showtime... Superman could have his hands full...
#5 Posted by Tradog (1768 posts) - - Show Bio
Static Shock: Well he is so fast its like you can't see him here are a few speed feats http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK1ZBEloS_A

and here is him catching a crossbow arrow at point blank http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90gTfXkKw5Y
#6 Posted by Static Shock (47641 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmmmm... Catching an arrow at point blank isn't very impressive compared to how fast Superman moves and reacts.

#7 Edited by Tradog (1768 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock: Well Kenshiro’s brother (eldest) used flame’s of the sun and Kenshiro could walk through them, were as not as hot as Supe’s it is a said advantage when Supe’s doesnt aim to kill. 

Next Kenshiro is incredibly fast being ableto tap into humanitys potential 100 percent when at best humanity only ever uses 30 percent, i wouldent like to guess how fast Kenshiro is but Supes cant move light speed on earth as i hear it so it should pose more than enough, that go’s for strenth aswell were as not terribly important it is still there. 

Now when dealing In martial Art’s Kenshiro pwn’s Superman so splendidly in all respect (he uses an Art not beaten in 2000 years) and is the 64th user of the Hokto-shinken were as Supe’s is adept Kenshiro is a master the differance in knollage over the 708 secret spots on our body lie in his favour. 

With a touch Supes is already dead.

Example he touches Supe’s forhead Supes has 7 seconds to live, he touches his cheast he will walk backward’s uncontrolably, hell he could brainwash him changeing his personality, or even use his skill’s to heal disabled blind deaf or people who are mute the limit’s od Hokto shin Ken seem limitless. 
#8 Posted by MisterGuyMan (2035 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not convinced Kenshiro's techniques would work on a Kryptonian. 

#9 Edited by Tradog (1768 posts) - - Show Bio
@MisterGuyMan said:
" I'm not convinced Kenshiro's techniques would work on a Kryptonian.  "
If it is so tough it could work on a guy who can crush diamond with two finger then it should work on the man of steel and ken has used his techniques on demons before so if supes has nerves or pressure points then it should work.
#10 Posted by Lunacyde (19530 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman....his only handicap is his unwillingness to go all out.

#11 Edited by Tradog (1768 posts) - - Show Bio
Kenshiro Speed Feat’s he can strike 708 times at once, and time seem’s to stand still when he decides to move really fast (the part were his eye’s glow lol)and he pysicaly passes through another person he is moveing that fast? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofh7S9sR_hY&feature=player_embedded

strength feat   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2kJioRlMQE&feature=player_embedded


and battle feat  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aees8AXpdEI&feature=player_embedded

Stop’s train with two finger’s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H0bEcnJbBY&feature=player_embedded

Destroying City with power from blow’s: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hFMzxIXgzM&feature=player_embedded

Supe’s is practicaly stronger than alot of enemy’s my man but they still knock him flying Kenshiro is no different with his speed and power he quakes entire city’s to th ground, with one touch Kenshiro can destroy Supe’s he has thewillingness to kill Supe’s douse not (and with both knowing virtualy nothing on each other) Kenshiro has the advantage he could use a whole arsenal of tech’s to beat Supe’s.

Kenshiro move’s that fast he can pass through people do you no how insanely fast that is, he can move that fast that other super speedster’s he fought barely keep up with his after image, and makes them seem like they arnt even moveing at all they punch him and it takes them awhile to realize he isnt their but on the other side of the room, he can strike 708 times at once that dousent sound like 93 mile’s per hour douse it (he uses 100 percent human potential the best any man can use is 30 percent so he tap’s into an extra 70 ). 
#12 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (11832 posts) - - Show Bio
@Tradog said:
"Kenshiro Speed Feat’s he can strike 708 times at once, and time seem’s to stand still when he decides to move really fast (the part were his eye’s glow lol)and he pysicaly passes through another person he is moveing that fast? 

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he's nothing to flash and superman has fought flash close up before, superman is gonna take this, also click the blue box and paste the embed code lol
#13 Posted by Tradog (1768 posts) - - Show Bio
@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @Tradog said:
"Kenshiro Speed Feat’s he can strike 708 times at once, and time seem’s to stand still when he decides to move really fast (the part were his eye’s glow lol)and he pysicaly passes through another person he is moveing that fast? 

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he's nothing to flash and superman has fought flash close up before, superman is gonna take this, also click the blue box and paste the embed code lol "
My bad but I was stating thos cuz most people think he is a normal human. but if he lay one finger on supes its over.
#14 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (11832 posts) - - Show Bio
@Tradog said:
"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @Tradog said:
"Kenshiro Speed Feat’s he can strike 708 times at once, and time seem’s to stand still when he decides to move really fast (the part were his eye’s glow lol)and he pysicaly passes through another person he is moveing that fast? 

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he's nothing to flash and superman has fought flash close up before, superman is gonna take this, also click the blue box and paste the embed code lol "
My bad but I was stating thos cuz most people think he is a normal human. but if he lay one finger on supes its over.
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he will never touch sups nor will we be sure his powers will work
#15 Posted by Tradog (1768 posts) - - Show Bio
@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
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"Kenshiro Speed Feat’s he can strike 708 times at once, and time seem’s to stand still when he decides to move really fast (the part were his eye’s glow lol)and he pysicaly passes through another person he is moveing that fast? 

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he's nothing to flash and superman has fought flash close up before, superman is gonna take this, also click the blue box and paste the embed code lol "
My bad but I was stating thos cuz most people think he is a normal human. but if he lay one finger on supes its over.
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he will never touch sups nor will we be sure his powers will work "
Kenshiro has fought teleporters and demons before plus supes will have to get close at some point.he can strike 708 times at once, and time seem’s to stand still. His attacks work on anybody with nerves or pressure point they feel like mosquito bite then you blow up. after he touches you you have 7-10 seconds to live.
#16 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (11832 posts) - - Show Bio
@Tradog said:
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" @Tradog said:
"Kenshiro Speed Feat’s he can strike 708 times at once, and time seem’s to stand still when he decides to move really fast (the part were his eye’s glow lol)and he pysicaly passes through another person he is moveing that fast? 

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he's nothing to flash and superman has fought flash close up before, superman is gonna take this, also click the blue box and paste the embed code lol "
My bad but I was stating thos cuz most people think he is a normal human. but if he lay one finger on supes its over.
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he will never touch sups nor will we be sure his powers will work "
Kenshiro has fought teleporters and demons before plus supes will have to get close at some point.he can strike 708 times at once, and time seem’s to stand still. His attacks work on anybody with nerves or pressure point they feel like mosquito bite then you blow up. after he touches you you have 7-10 seconds to live.
"

has he ever done this to someone of supermans durability? and 708 times in that world, thats not even FTL speeds well superman can move that fast so sups can block those with ease
#17 Posted by Tradog (1768 posts) - - Show Bio
@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
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"Kenshiro Speed Feat’s he can strike 708 times at once, and time seem’s to stand still when he decides to move really fast (the part were his eye’s glow lol)and he pysicaly passes through another person he is moveing that fast? 

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he's nothing to flash and superman has fought flash close up before, superman is gonna take this, also click the blue box and paste the embed code lol "
My bad but I was stating thos cuz most people think he is a normal human. but if he lay one finger on supes its over.
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he will never touch sups nor will we be sure his powers will work "
Kenshiro has fought teleporters and demons before plus supes will have to get close at some point.he can strike 708 times at once, and time seem’s to stand still. His attacks work on anybody with nerves or pressure point they feel like mosquito bite then you blow up. after he touches you you have 7-10 seconds to live.
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has he ever done this to someone of supermans durability? and 708 times in that world, thats not even FTL speeds well superman can move that fast so sups can block those with ease "
Kenshiro doesn't even have to pierce your skin in fact people say they don't even feel it. He has been able to use his move on demons who can take boulders to the head easily. And people have blocked kenshiro's move before he use the exploding hands technique it happend on episode 3 or 4 but he blew off the guys fingers when he tried that then made his own muscles snap his back in half.
#18 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (11832 posts) - - Show Bio
@Tradog said:
"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
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" @Tradog said:
"Kenshiro Speed Feat’s he can strike 708 times at once, and time seem’s to stand still when he decides to move really fast (the part were his eye’s glow lol)and he pysicaly passes through another person he is moveing that fast? 

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he's nothing to flash and superman has fought flash close up before, superman is gonna take this, also click the blue box and paste the embed code lol "
My bad but I was stating thos cuz most people think he is a normal human. but if he lay one finger on supes its over.
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he will never touch sups nor will we be sure his powers will work "
Kenshiro has fought teleporters and demons before plus supes will have to get close at some point.he can strike 708 times at once, and time seem’s to stand still. His attacks work on anybody with nerves or pressure point they feel like mosquito bite then you blow up. after he touches you you have 7-10 seconds to live.
"
has he ever done this to someone of supermans durability? and 708 times in that world, thats not even FTL speeds well superman can move that fast so sups can block those with ease "
Kenshiro doesn't even have to pierce your skin in fact people say they don't even feel it. He has been able to use his move on demons who can take boulders to the head easily. And people have blocked kenshiro's move before he use the exploding hands technique it happend on episode 3 or 4 but he blew off the guys fingers when he tried that then made his own muscles snap his back in half.
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again he's not gonna do that to someone on sups durability i mean sups can take planets blowing up like nothing
#19 Posted by Tradog (1768 posts) - - Show Bio
@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
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"Kenshiro Speed Feat’s he can strike 708 times at once, and time seem’s to stand still when he decides to move really fast (the part were his eye’s glow lol)and he pysicaly passes through another person he is moveing that fast? 

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he's nothing to flash and superman has fought flash close up before, superman is gonna take this, also click the blue box and paste the embed code lol "
My bad but I was stating thos cuz most people think he is a normal human. but if he lay one finger on supes its over.
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he will never touch sups nor will we be sure his powers will work "
Kenshiro has fought teleporters and demons before plus supes will have to get close at some point.he can strike 708 times at once, and time seem’s to stand still. His attacks work on anybody with nerves or pressure point they feel like mosquito bite then you blow up. after he touches you you have 7-10 seconds to live.
"
has he ever done this to someone of supermans durability? and 708 times in that world, thats not even FTL speeds well superman can move that fast so sups can block those with ease "
Kenshiro doesn't even have to pierce your skin in fact people say they don't even feel it. He has been able to use his move on demons who can take boulders to the head easily. And people have blocked kenshiro's move before he use the exploding hands technique it happend on episode 3 or 4 but he blew off the guys fingers when he tried that then made his own muscles snap his back in half.
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again he's not gonna do that to someone on sups durability i mean sups can take planets blowing up like nothing "
Okay I don't think you don't know how ken's powers work. He only has to touch you he was able to do it to a guy who can crush daimond with ease you can survive the universe blowing up and it will still work not to mention he has manipulation. 
#20 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (11832 posts) - - Show Bio
@Tradog said:
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"Kenshiro Speed Feat’s he can strike 708 times at once, and time seem’s to stand still when he decides to move really fast (the part were his eye’s glow lol)and he pysicaly passes through another person he is moveing that fast? 

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he's nothing to flash and superman has fought flash close up before, superman is gonna take this, also click the blue box and paste the embed code lol "
My bad but I was stating thos cuz most people think he is a normal human. but if he lay one finger on supes its over.
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he will never touch sups nor will we be sure his powers will work "
Kenshiro has fought teleporters and demons before plus supes will have to get close at some point.he can strike 708 times at once, and time seem’s to stand still. His attacks work on anybody with nerves or pressure point they feel like mosquito bite then you blow up. after he touches you you have 7-10 seconds to live.
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has he ever done this to someone of supermans durability? and 708 times in that world, thats not even FTL speeds well superman can move that fast so sups can block those with ease "
Kenshiro doesn't even have to pierce your skin in fact people say they don't even feel it. He has been able to use his move on demons who can take boulders to the head easily. And people have blocked kenshiro's move before he use the exploding hands technique it happend on episode 3 or 4 but he blew off the guys fingers when he tried that then made his own muscles snap his back in half.
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again he's not gonna do that to someone on sups durability i mean sups can take planets blowing up like nothing "
Okay I don't think you don't know how ken's powers work. He only has to touch you he was able to do it to a guy who can crush daimond with ease you can survive the universe blowing up and it will still work not to mention he has manipulation. 
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how will it work on someone who is so much more durable then people he has done it to, your acting like since he can do it to people in his universe he should be able to do it to anyone, by this logic it should work on the likes of LT,beyonder,spectre galactus ect ect, sups has taken far worse things then thisand what kind of manipulation.
#21 Posted by Tradog (1768 posts) - - Show Bio
@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
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"Kenshiro Speed Feat’s he can strike 708 times at once, and time seem’s to stand still when he decides to move really fast (the part were his eye’s glow lol)and he pysicaly passes through another person he is moveing that fast? 

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he's nothing to flash and superman has fought flash close up before, superman is gonna take this, also click the blue box and paste the embed code lol "
My bad but I was stating thos cuz most people think he is a normal human. but if he lay one finger on supes its over.
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he will never touch sups nor will we be sure his powers will work "
Kenshiro has fought teleporters and demons before plus supes will have to get close at some point.he can strike 708 times at once, and time seem’s to stand still. His attacks work on anybody with nerves or pressure point they feel like mosquito bite then you blow up. after he touches you you have 7-10 seconds to live.
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has he ever done this to someone of supermans durability? and 708 times in that world, thats not even FTL speeds well superman can move that fast so sups can block those with ease "
Kenshiro doesn't even have to pierce your skin in fact people say they don't even feel it. He has been able to use his move on demons who can take boulders to the head easily. And people have blocked kenshiro's move before he use the exploding hands technique it happend on episode 3 or 4 but he blew off the guys fingers when he tried that then made his own muscles snap his back in half.
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again he's not gonna do that to someone on sups durability i mean sups can take planets blowing up like nothing "
Okay I don't think you don't know how ken's powers work. He only has to touch you he was able to do it to a guy who can crush daimond with ease you can survive the universe blowing up and it will still work not to mention he has manipulation. 
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how will it work on someone who is so much more durable then people he has done it to, your acting like since he can do it to people in his universe he should be able to do it to anyone, by this logic it should work on the likes of LT,beyonder,spectre galactus ect ect, sups has taken far worse things then thisand what kind of manipulation. "
Not really superman is a humanoid being who get energy from our sun and galactus well I dunno im going to say it depends on what universe he has done this to giant beings too. plus those guys are just about gods but still ken has been said to challenge god like people and again durability does not matter in this situation and his manipulation makes people kill themselves or do anything he wants basicly or he can wipe out your memory and superman has been blown up by his own body? since you said he has been through worse.
#22 Posted by Johnny_Blazed (1110 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman stomps
Hakuto No Ken destroys the opponent from the inside

Too bad Supermans insides are just as durable as his outsides

Not to mention in order for Kenshiros pressure points to work he would have to use pressure points with at least a couple million tons of force...once again out of his range of abilities

Not to mention he has no way to keep up with Supermans speed

There are about 7 or 8 ways Supes could kill Ken
There are zero ways for Ken to fight let alone survive this fight

#23 Edited by Tradog (1768 posts) - - Show Bio
@Johnny_Blazed said:
" Superman stompsHakuto No Ken destroys the opponent from the insideToo bad Supermans insides are just as durable as his outsidesNot to mention in order for Kenshiros pressure points to work he would have to use pressure points with at least a couple million tons of force...once again out of his range of abilitiesNot to mention he has no way to keep up with Supermans speedThere are about 7 or 8 ways Supes could kill KenThere are zero ways for Ken to fight let alone survive this fight "
So supes kills now? And when your own body is being used against you durability is not a factor. In the manga and show they say it feels like bug bites when he hits them.. So I don't think he has to  pierce the skin if a guy who can crush diamonds was affected by kenshiro's moves im sure supes will be too. But I do agree speed will be a problem but again kenshiro has phased through opponents before and supes has to get close somehow. So during that time he can get him if im not mistaken superman has been hit by shazam before is he light speed? Well in any case superman could win just saying what I think so refrain from flaming please.
#24 Posted by Johnny_Blazed (1110 posts) - - Show Bio
@Tradog said:
" @Johnny_Blazed said:
" Superman stompsHakuto No Ken destroys the opponent from the insideToo bad Supermans insides are just as durable as his outsidesNot to mention in order for Kenshiros pressure points to work he would have to use pressure points with at least a couple million tons of force...once again out of his range of abilitiesNot to mention he has no way to keep up with Supermans speedThere are about 7 or 8 ways Supes could kill KenThere are zero ways for Ken to fight let alone survive this fight "
So supes kills now? And when your own body is being used against you durability is not a factor. In the manga and show they say it feels like bug bites when he hits them.. So I don't think he has to  pierce the skin if a guy who can crush diamonds was affected by kenshiro's moves im sure supes will be too. But I do agree speed will be a problem but again kenshiro has phased through opponents before and supes has to get close somehow. So during that time he can get him if im not mistaken superman has been hit by shazam before is he light speed? Well in any case superman could win just saying what I think so refrain from flaming please.
"
Supes doesnt have to kill him, a simple flick of the wrist would KO Kenny
Hakuto No Ken was designed to destroy an opponent from the inside...durability has alot to do with it
Kenshiro cant use any nerve strikes against someone with that level of durability..He would end up breaking his own fingers on contact

This really is a stomp in Supes favor
Captain Marvel is Supermans equal
Kenshiro isnt
#25 Posted by Tradog (1768 posts) - - Show Bio
@Johnny_Blazed said:
" @Tradog said:
" @Johnny_Blazed said:
" Superman stompsHakuto No Ken destroys the opponent from the insideToo bad Supermans insides are just as durable as his outsidesNot to mention in order for Kenshiros pressure points to work he would have to use pressure points with at least a couple million tons of force...once again out of his range of abilitiesNot to mention he has no way to keep up with Supermans speedThere are about 7 or 8 ways Supes could kill KenThere are zero ways for Ken to fight let alone survive this fight "
So supes kills now? And when your own body is being used against you durability is not a factor. In the manga and show they say it feels like bug bites when he hits them.. So I don't think he has to  pierce the skin if a guy who can crush diamonds was affected by kenshiro's moves im sure supes will be too. But I do agree speed will be a problem but again kenshiro has phased through opponents before and supes has to get close somehow. So during that time he can get him if im not mistaken superman has been hit by shazam before is he light speed? Well in any case superman could win just saying what I think so refrain from flaming please.
"
Supes doesnt have to kill him, a simple flick of the wrist would KO KennyHakuto No Ken was designed to destroy an opponent from the inside...durability has alot to do with itKenshiro cant use any nerve strikes against someone with that level of durability..He would end up breaking his own fingers on contactThis really is a stomp in Supes favorCaptain Marvel is Supermans equalKenshiro isnt "
OH okay. But was the flick necessary? didn't have to add insult to injury makes ken seem weak. And I always thought captain atom was superman's equal.
#26 Posted by Johnny_Blazed (1110 posts) - - Show Bio
@Tradog said:
" @Johnny_Blazed said:
" @Tradog said:
" @Johnny_Blazed said:
" Superman stompsHakuto No Ken destroys the opponent from the insideToo bad Supermans insides are just as durable as his outsidesNot to mention in order for Kenshiros pressure points to work he would have to use pressure points with at least a couple million tons of force...once again out of his range of abilitiesNot to mention he has no way to keep up with Supermans speedThere are about 7 or 8 ways Supes could kill KenThere are zero ways for Ken to fight let alone survive this fight "
So supes kills now? And when your own body is being used against you durability is not a factor. In the manga and show they say it feels like bug bites when he hits them.. So I don't think he has to  pierce the skin if a guy who can crush diamonds was affected by kenshiro's moves im sure supes will be too. But I do agree speed will be a problem but again kenshiro has phased through opponents before and supes has to get close somehow. So during that time he can get him if im not mistaken superman has been hit by shazam before is he light speed? Well in any case superman could win just saying what I think so refrain from flaming please.
"
Supes doesnt have to kill him, a simple flick of the wrist would KO KennyHakuto No Ken was designed to destroy an opponent from the inside...durability has alot to do with itKenshiro cant use any nerve strikes against someone with that level of durability..He would end up breaking his own fingers on contactThis really is a stomp in Supes favorCaptain Marvel is Supermans equalKenshiro isnt "
OH okay. But was the flick necessary? didn't have to add insult to injury makes ken seem weak. And I always thought captain atom was superman's equal.
"
Captain Atom? Who said anything about Captain Atom?
#27 Posted by Tradog (1768 posts) - - Show Bio
@Johnny_Blazed said:
" @Tradog said:
" @Johnny_Blazed said:
" @Tradog said:
" @Johnny_Blazed said:
" Superman stompsHakuto No Ken destroys the opponent from the insideToo bad Supermans insides are just as durable as his outsidesNot to mention in order for Kenshiros pressure points to work he would have to use pressure points with at least a couple million tons of force...once again out of his range of abilitiesNot to mention he has no way to keep up with Supermans speedThere are about 7 or 8 ways Supes could kill KenThere are zero ways for Ken to fight let alone survive this fight "
So supes kills now? And when your own body is being used against you durability is not a factor. In the manga and show they say it feels like bug bites when he hits them.. So I don't think he has to  pierce the skin if a guy who can crush diamonds was affected by kenshiro's moves im sure supes will be too. But I do agree speed will be a problem but again kenshiro has phased through opponents before and supes has to get close somehow. So during that time he can get him if im not mistaken superman has been hit by shazam before is he light speed? Well in any case superman could win just saying what I think so refrain from flaming please.
"
Supes doesnt have to kill him, a simple flick of the wrist would KO KennyHakuto No Ken was designed to destroy an opponent from the inside...durability has alot to do with itKenshiro cant use any nerve strikes against someone with that level of durability..He would end up breaking his own fingers on contactThis really is a stomp in Supes favorCaptain Marvel is Supermans equalKenshiro isnt "
OH okay. But was the flick necessary? didn't have to add insult to injury makes ken seem weak. And I always thought captain atom was superman's equal.
"
Captain Atom? Who said anything about Captain Atom? "
What I meant was you said captain marvel was superman's equal but I heard from other people it was captain atom.
#28 Posted by King Saturn (225699 posts) - - Show Bio
@MisterGuyMan said:
" I'm not convinced Kenshiro's techniques would work on a Kryptonian.  "
well what would it take to convince you Kenshiro could hurt Superman with his techniques
#29 Posted by Johnny_Blazed (1110 posts) - - Show Bio
@King Saturn said:
" @MisterGuyMan said:
" I'm not convinced Kenshiro's techniques would work on a Kryptonian.  "
well what would it take to convince you Kenshiro could hurt Superman with his techniques "
Nothing because they wouldnt unless he can deliver pressure points with a couple billion tons of force behind them
#30 Posted by King Saturn (225699 posts) - - Show Bio
@Johnny_Blazed said:
" @King Saturn said:
" @MisterGuyMan said:
" I'm not convinced Kenshiro's techniques would work on a Kryptonian.  "
well what would it take to convince you Kenshiro could hurt Superman with his techniques "
Nothing because they wouldnt unless he can deliver pressure points with a couple billion tons of force behind them "
Ken's Pressure Point Attacks dont totally have to pierce your body... even if they can just touch the skin... Kenshiro can effect you with them...
#31 Posted by Omg chris (1590 posts) - - Show Bio

yup but i dont think that would really damage his kryptonian skin and plus all supes needs to do is speed blitz him

#32 Posted by King Saturn (225699 posts) - - Show Bio
@Omg chris said:
" yup but i dont think that would really damage his kryptonian skin and plus all supes needs to do is speed blitz him "
I dont know... I mean I have never seen Hoto Shienken fail as a technique... its hard to say if it wouldnt effect Superman
#33 Posted by Omg chris (1590 posts) - - Show Bio

i know that his technique is flawless he doesn't need to pierce your skin and your body will either explode or hurt itself on its own mmm maybe it would effect him i really dont know know now  but im sure the technique has falied before though didnt he do that to his older brother once before and it didn't work against him  I dont know to much of fist of the north star...

#34 Posted by Johnny_Blazed (1110 posts) - - Show Bio

They have to make some impact though...which isnt going to happen with someone of Supermans durability

#35 Posted by King Saturn (225699 posts) - - Show Bio
@Johnny_Blazed said:
" They have to make some impact though...which isnt going to happen with someone of Supermans durability "
they would make impact actually... it isnt like Kenshiro is just a Peak Human here... Ken was like an amped up Goku with less Screaming and more Feats during the FOTNS Films...
#36 Posted by Omg chris (1590 posts) - - Show Bio
@King Saturn said:
" @Johnny_Blazed said:
" They have to make some impact though...which isnt going to happen with someone of Supermans durability "
they would make impact actually... it isnt like Kenshiro is just a Peak Human here... Ken was like an amped up Goku with less Screaming and more Feats during the FOTNS Films... "
lol did you see the old flims kenshiro destroyed so many people i think i felt bad for the fat guy that looked like blob the most and his brother the weak one that took his place for a while he had a weird looking head
#37 Posted by King Saturn (225699 posts) - - Show Bio
@Omg chris said:
" @King Saturn said:
" @Johnny_Blazed said:
" They have to make some impact though...which isnt going to happen with someone of Supermans durability "
they would make impact actually... it isnt like Kenshiro is just a Peak Human here... Ken was like an amped up Goku with less Screaming and more Feats during the FOTNS Films... "
lol did you see the old flims kenshiro destroyed so many people i think i felt bad for the fat guy that looked like blob the most and his brother the weak one that took his place for a while he had a weird looking head "
Indeed he did...
#38 Posted by MisterGuyMan (2035 posts) - - Show Bio

I only watched the movie and a handful of episodes.

I just wasn't convinced if Kenshiro's techniques worked on aliens.  I assumed they worked on human biology so Kryptonians might simply be immune or likely require different pressure points. 

If Kenshiro's techniques work on Superman and if Superman remains in character, then Kenshiro wins.  The fighters in their combat system are ruthless.  There are no second chances.  They tap you and your head explodes.  Superman's fighting physics are more family friendly.

#39 Posted by Johnny_Blazed (1110 posts) - - Show Bio
@King Saturn said:
" @Johnny_Blazed said:
" They have to make some impact though...which isnt going to happen with someone of Supermans durability "
they would make impact actually... it isnt like Kenshiro is just a Peak Human here... Ken was like an amped up Goku with less Screaming and more Feats during the FOTNS Films... "
Again though hes never faced anyone close to Supermans level of durability..if anything Kenny would end up breaking his fingers and hand on impact
#40 Posted by King Saturn (225699 posts) - - Show Bio
@Johnny_Blazed said:
" @King Saturn said:
" @Johnny_Blazed said:
" They have to make some impact though...which isnt going to happen with someone of Supermans durability "
they would make impact actually... it isnt like Kenshiro is just a Peak Human here... Ken was like an amped up Goku with less Screaming and more Feats during the FOTNS Films... "
Again though hes never faced anyone close to Supermans level of durability..if anything Kenny would end up breaking his fingers and hand on impact "
How do we know those opponents during the later episodes of FOTNS didnt have high levels of Superhuman Durability ? They all were doing crazy things at that point in the series... Ken's opposition may not be Superman level... but they are easily Superhuman in attributes
#41 Edited by Johnny_Blazed (1110 posts) - - Show Bio

Superhuman doesnt make you superman level

Luke Cage has Superhuman attributes ... that doesnt put him anywhere close to Supermans level

This is a guy that survives super novas and survived being smashed between two planets

#42 Posted by Omg chris (1590 posts) - - Show Bio
@King Saturn said:
" @Omg chris said:
" @King Saturn said:
" @Johnny_Blazed said:
" They have to make some impact though...which isnt going to happen with someone of Supermans durability "
they would make impact actually... it isnt like Kenshiro is just a Peak Human here... Ken was like an amped up Goku with less Screaming and more Feats during the FOTNS Films... "
lol did you see the old flims kenshiro destroyed so many people i think i felt bad for the fat guy that looked like blob the most and his brother the weak one that took his place for a while he had a weird looking head "
Indeed he did... "
that dude freaked me the hell out i thought he had skin cancer when the first introduced him
#43 Posted by King Saturn (225699 posts) - - Show Bio
@Johnny_Blazed said:
" Superhuman doesnt make you superman levelLuke Cage has Superhuman attributes ... that doesnt put him anywhere close to Supermans level "
He wouldnt have to be Superman level though... Ken doesnt have to punch with 100 billion ton force to hurt Superman... just by tapping Superman's Pressure Points he could hurt Kal-El
#44 Posted by Johnny_Blazed (1110 posts) - - Show Bio

He has to penetrate his skin to get to his pressure points
Which unfortunetly he doesnt have the physical stats to do so

#45 Posted by King Saturn (225699 posts) - - Show Bio
@Johnny_Blazed said:
" He has to penetrate his skin to get to his pressure pointsWhich unfortunetly he doesnt have the physical stats to do so "
I had already said he doesnt have to penetrate Superman's skin to hurt him with the Pressure Point attacks... he showed this on the show several times when he just tapped the side of his opponents head and it exploded... or when he touched the temple of his opponent and his head exploded... Kenshiro does not have to penetrate Superman's skin to attack his pressure points
#46 Posted by Johnny_Blazed (1110 posts) - - Show Bio
@King Saturn said:
" @Johnny_Blazed said:
" He has to penetrate his skin to get to his pressure pointsWhich unfortunetly he doesnt have the physical stats to do so "
I had already said he doesnt have to penetrate Superman's skin to hurt him with the Pressure Point attacks... he showed this on the show several times when he just tapped the side of his opponents head and it exploded... or when he touched the temple of his opponent and his head exploded... Kenshiro does not have to penetrate Superman's skin to attack his pressure points "
Not penetrate as in busting a hole in his skin..but he has to create some degree of impact to access his pressure points...which would take several million tons at least...
#47 Posted by King Saturn (225699 posts) - - Show Bio
@Johnny_Blazed said:
" @King Saturn said:
" @Johnny_Blazed said:
" He has to penetrate his skin to get to his pressure pointsWhich unfortunetly he doesnt have the physical stats to do so "
I had already said he doesnt have to penetrate Superman's skin to hurt him with the Pressure Point attacks... he showed this on the show several times when he just tapped the side of his opponents head and it exploded... or when he touched the temple of his opponent and his head exploded... Kenshiro does not have to penetrate Superman's skin to attack his pressure points "
Not penetrate as in busting a hole in his skin..but he has to create some degree of impact to access his pressure points...which would take several million tons at least... "
But there have been plenty of times when Kenshiro has hit people and the physical force of the attack did not knock them back or seemingly create any impact initially at all... it wasnt a matter of impact or penetration strength wise... it was all about tapping that area where the Pressure Point lies... and making it unstable so there Head or Torso or Arms would explode
#48 Posted by Johnny_Blazed (1110 posts) - - Show Bio
@King Saturn said:
" @Johnny_Blazed said:
" @King Saturn said:
" @Johnny_Blazed said:
" He has to penetrate his skin to get to his pressure pointsWhich unfortunetly he doesnt have the physical stats to do so "
I had already said he doesnt have to penetrate Superman's skin to hurt him with the Pressure Point attacks... he showed this on the show several times when he just tapped the side of his opponents head and it exploded... or when he touched the temple of his opponent and his head exploded... Kenshiro does not have to penetrate Superman's skin to attack his pressure points "
Not penetrate as in busting a hole in his skin..but he has to create some degree of impact to access his pressure points...which would take several million tons at least... "
But there have been plenty of times when Kenshiro has hit people and the physical force of the attack did not knock them back or seemingly create any impact initially at all... it wasnt a matter of impact or penetration strength wise... it was all about tapping that area where the Pressure Point lies... and making it unstable so there Head or Torso or Arms would explode "
Yeah no one with Superman level durability..he can tap them because they have poor durability in comparison..
#49 Posted by King Saturn (225699 posts) - - Show Bio
@Johnny_Blazed said:
" @King Saturn said:
" @Johnny_Blazed said:
" @King Saturn said:
" @Johnny_Blazed said:
" He has to penetrate his skin to get to his pressure pointsWhich unfortunetly he doesnt have the physical stats to do so "
I had already said he doesnt have to penetrate Superman's skin to hurt him with the Pressure Point attacks... he showed this on the show several times when he just tapped the side of his opponents head and it exploded... or when he touched the temple of his opponent and his head exploded... Kenshiro does not have to penetrate Superman's skin to attack his pressure points "
Not penetrate as in busting a hole in his skin..but he has to create some degree of impact to access his pressure points...which would take several million tons at least... "
But there have been plenty of times when Kenshiro has hit people and the physical force of the attack did not knock them back or seemingly create any impact initially at all... it wasnt a matter of impact or penetration strength wise... it was all about tapping that area where the Pressure Point lies... and making it unstable so there Head or Torso or Arms would explode "
Yeah no one with Superman level durability..he can tap them because they have poor durability in comparison.. "
I dont know about that... simply because its not a matter of how durable you are... its all about how are your Pressure Points conditioned and can they be effected by Hoto Shienken ? Even though Superman maybe far more durable than Kenshiro... if Kal-El's Pressure Points are not defensive against the technique of Hoto Shienken which Ken uses Superman could get hurt here... now that is not to say Ken could kill Superman... but its possible he could hurt him still
#50 Posted by Johnny_Blazed (1110 posts) - - Show Bio
@King Saturn said:
" @Johnny_Blazed said:
" @King Saturn said:
" @Johnny_Blazed said:
" @King Saturn said:
" @Johnny_Blazed said:
" He has to penetrate his skin to get to his pressure pointsWhich unfortunetly he doesnt have the physical stats to do so "
I had already said he doesnt have to penetrate Superman's skin to hurt him with the Pressure Point attacks... he showed this on the show several times when he just tapped the side of his opponents head and it exploded... or when he touched the temple of his opponent and his head exploded... Kenshiro does not have to penetrate Superman's skin to attack his pressure points "
Not penetrate as in busting a hole in his skin..but he has to create some degree of impact to access his pressure points...which would take several million tons at least... "
But there have been plenty of times when Kenshiro has hit people and the physical force of the attack did not knock them back or seemingly create any impact initially at all... it wasnt a matter of impact or penetration strength wise... it was all about tapping that area where the Pressure Point lies... and making it unstable so there Head or Torso or Arms would explode "
Yeah no one with Superman level durability..he can tap them because they have poor durability in comparison.. "
I dont know about that... simply because its not a matter of how durable you are... its all about how are your Pressure Points conditioned and can they be effected by Hoto Shienken ? Even though Superman maybe far more durable than Kenshiro... if Kal-El's Pressure Points are not defensive against the technique of Hoto Shienken which Ken uses Superman could get hurt here... now that is not to say Ken could kill Superman... but its possible he could hurt him still "
The fact is that he would have to hit someone of Supermans level of durability with some force..equivalent to a few million tons of pressure

Without that..Ken tapping Supes would basically be like me tapping you, it would do nothing