Kenpachi Zaraki vs WWH and Skaar

Can the strongest Shinigami defeat these two powerhouses at the same time.


The fight take place in the Soul Society

All fighters are bloodlusted

Who wins

@SpeedForceSpider said:

Kenpachi dies horribly. Either of the two solo with the utmost ease.

Easily? Hmmm....

The way I see it, Kenpachi is faster that either of them by probably quite a bit so avoiding their attacks shouldn't be much of an issue while they won't be able to really avoid his. The only question is whether he can actually harm them, and given he does things like slice apart skyscrapers without much effort, I think piercing them wouldn't be much trouble. I think he could manage decapitation. Their only real way of hurting him would be with things like thunderclaps, but for a guy that can shrug off being thrown through buildings and the other damage he soaks up with a smile on his face, I'm not sure it would bother him.

:)

Both WWH and Skaar solo easily.

Team destroys him...utterly destroys him in a stomp of immense proportions,,,,either one would solo

Kenpachi stomps

He has mystical weapon (Soul Cutter) and while he might be slightly weaker physically (hes way above 100tons) difference in speed and skill is too big

Kenpachi stomps

He has mystical weapon (Soul Cutter) and while he might be slightly weaker physically (hes way above 100tons) difference in speed and skill is too big

@RumbleMan_Exe: Thor having a better weapon matters less when we consider that in their fights he rarely if ever actually uses the hammer and that Hulk eats blunt force for breakfast but regularly gets slashed up. Hulk's fights with people with speed is pretty similar in that they rarely use their speed effectively against him.

@RumbleMan_Exe said:

@Buckshot: In character kenny only blitzes fodders (the butler dude in Fullbring Arc and a bunch of no-name hollows), besides that he fights mano a mano. Saying he waltzes in for the blitz would be out of character, since he does not do that from the get go. Kenny when 'bloodlusted' like when against Ichigo or Nnoitora stood his ground and fought like a MAN, exchanging blows.

Kenpatchi blitzed Tesla,Giriko,Humiliated Yammi with his speed,Blitzed 3 Stern Ritters and was trying to blitz Juha Bach he failed obviously but Hashwald was not able to react to him

Kenpatchi one shots everyone he can and he can oneshote Hulk without any problem

@Buckshot: It would be out of character for Kenpachi to dodge anything. He is without a doubt much faster than the Hulk and Skarr, but the problem is he never dodges. That might prove to be his downfall. However, if he feels like he's dying, like his fight with Nnoitra. I think it might be plausible for him to kill them via decapitation or cut them straight down the middle. But by that time, I think he would be dead. He may be a tremendous damage soaker, but he has never been hit by 100+ ton class people before, not to mention the madder the Hulks get the stronger they get (which would be a lot judging from how Kenpachi likes to draw out his battles).

@RumbleMan_Exe said:

@Buckshot: In character kenny only blitzes fodders (the butler dude in Fullbring Arc and a bunch of no-name hollows), besides that he fights mano a mano. Saying he waltzes in for the blitz would be out of character, since he does not do that from the get go. Kenny when 'bloodlusted' like when against Ichigo or Nnoitora stood his ground and fought like a MAN, exchanging blows.

Even if I pretend he has only blitzed fodder (untrue) it wouldn't matter since he'd bloodlusted. Kenpachi bloodlusted stands there slashing with a grin on his face and he can do that at speeds beyond what the Hulks can reliably deal with. He can easily fight at speeds where Byakuya decided he needed to flash step to keep it even.

@jeanroygrant said:

It would surely bother him seeing how it has dropped class 100's, and when it does they will pummple his face in.

And his thunderclaps have left countless characters nowhere near Kenpachi's strength level still capable of being in the fight.

@OmgOmgWtfWtf said:

@Buckshot: It would be out of character for Kenpachi to dodge anything. He is without a doubt much faster than the Hulk and Skarr, but the problem is he never dodges. That might prove to be his downfall. However, if he feels like he's dying, like his fight with Nnoitra. I think it might be plausible for him to kill them via decapitation or cut them straight down the middle. But by that time, I think he would be dead. He may be a tremendous damage soaker, but he has never been hit by 100+ ton class people before, not to mention the madder the Hulks get the stronger they get (which would be a lot judging from how Kenpachi likes to draw out his battles).

He doesn't really need to dodge to still have tons of speed to allow him to slash with a blade that slices through skyscrapers numerous times before they could really do anything about it. I simply don't see Kenpachi being significantly slowed by Hulk's hits when he himself creates the same level of property damage just by standing around with his full power hanging out. As for him not mixing up with 100+ characters, Komamura is easily 100+ and Kenpachi has taken it to him not only sword to sword but hand to hand.

@Buckshot said:

Easily? Hmmm....

The way I see it, Kenpachi is faster that either of them by probably quite a bit so avoiding their attacks shouldn't be much of an issue while they won't be able to really avoid his. The only question is whether he can actually harm them, and given he does things like slice apart skyscrapers without much effort, I think piercing them wouldn't be much trouble. I think he could manage decapitation. Their only real way of hurting him would be with things like thunderclaps, but for a guy that can shrug off being thrown through buildings and the other damage he soaks up with a smile on his face, I'm not sure it would bother him.

:)

It really doesn't matter if Kenpachi is faster (I personaly think he isn't since Hulk has some great hypersonic speed feats). Zaraki's blade will shatter upon slashing HUlk or Skaar. They are far too durable. They have endured much greater hax attacks than Kenpachi can produce (example Mind and Soul gem users attack). They both have extremly good regeneration (the one which can rival Wolverine's and Daken's). So you see any point which can theoreticly be made in Zaraki's case is out of the question. And like I said they are too durable for shinigami, so discusing anything else except " if Kenpachi will be even able to slice them" is out of the question and wasting of time. To repeat myself it's impossible for him to slice even one of them, since they have tons of feats which support my point.

@Buckshot: Kenpachi by nature is bloodlusted. However he likes to test out his prey, he starts off by toying with them and seeing what they can do. There is no doubt in my mind, that his reactionary time is much faster than Hulk's. But has that really stopped the Hulks before, their durability is pretty insane as well? Kenpachi can take hits, but even he is not invincible, not to mention he doesn't have a healing factor. I don't see Kenpachi anywhere near the 100+ ton range, he doesn't have the feats to suggest that neither does Komamura. Also when has Kenpachi and Byakuya ever fought? They haven't had a single battle in the manga as far as I can remember. I see this more as a battle of attrition, and that Kenpachi despite his spectacular durability and strength won't win. He's fighting both Hulk and Skaar. Skaar can amplify his power through the Old Power, and manipulate the earth through it as well.

@ghost_rider1 said:

@TheVectorPrime

Hulk is nowhere near as fast as kenpachi. And kenpachi sword will not shatter. He can cut skyscrapers in half with just a flick of his sword. And he fought two captain level shinigami at the same time who are both very proficient with the flash step. So helllll no.....hulk is not as fast or doesn't even compare to kenpachi....

Hulk caought tank projectiles (hypersonic) numerous times. Caught Quciksilver (hypersonic speed), not to mention his feats of tagging FTL chars. He can easily withstand planet explosion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cutting skycrapers. And that's just tip of the iceberg.

@RumbleMan_Exe said:

@Buckshot: In character kenny only blitzes fodders (the butler dude in Fullbring Arc and a bunch of no-name hollows), besides that he fights mano a mano. Saying he waltzes in for the blitz would be out of character, since he does not do that from the get go. Kenny when 'bloodlusted' like when against Ichigo or Nnoitora stood his ground and fought like a MAN, exchanging blows.

Ok, first read Bleach before you make outrageous comments like this.

Second, He fought 2 captains at once, Tousen (who become a memeber of Arranacar) and Komanura. Also he is a man who enjoys a battle, which means he will absorb one or two punches from Hulk and Skaar before deciding they are worthy opponents and murders them effortlessly. He was not given the name of Kenpachi for nothing. He has won the most battles and killed the most people.

Kenpachi for the easy win! Effectively using his superior speed and skill to kill these worthy foe.

@TheVectorPrime: Sure, Hulk's has some high end feats...and still gets danced around by Spider-Man and people with street level speed regularly engage him in extended combat. And the feats you mention in your other post (reacting to tank shells and hitting speedsters) are street level feats btw. And Skaar, and Hulk, and their type of durable tank has never, not ever, been sliced up by claws and blades, right? I won't even count Wolverine and his PIS claws (though I've never seen him slice effortlessly through a sky scraper) but people from Daken to Wendigo have slashed up Hulk-types.

@OmgOmgWtfWtf: Kenpachi isn't bloodlusted to the degree to which the term is used in the forum. "Has speed stopped a Hulk before?" Ask Spider-Man, who, while not as fast as most shinigami, has easily evaded numerous attacks from Hulk in their fights. Kenpachi being able to hit him with dozens of strikes he can't do anything about won't be hand-waved away as easily as you're attempting. Videos featuring feats from Kenpachi as well as a fight between him and byakuya were uploaded in another thread recently, though I don't really care enough to track them down. Komumura has both resisted the strength of and tossed a character bigger than buildings and was probably closer in size to a blue whale than anything else on the planet. As for Skaar's ability to manipulate the earth, the ease at which Kenpachi destroys the area just by existing, levels structures, and bats away things like Byakuya's attack (which is much better controlled than anything I can recall of Skaar's geokinesis), makes me think it's not really a big deal.

Kenpachi is a beast but gets brought down by both monsters. In other words a good battle commences but Kenpachi gets stomped in the end.

But if that eye patch comes off, its Game Over for both Hulks.

@Buckshot: I don't really see how dodging relates to Kenpachi. I understand that he operational speed is beyond the Hulk's and that he is indeed faster, but he won't dodge the blows. Its not within his mind frame to dodge, he even points it out to Nnoitra and states it in his first fight with Ichigo. I'm not saying that the Hulk is going to be immune to his attacks, but the Hulk has incredible durability and any damage would be quickly healed. The video they you are mentioning between Byakayu and Kenpachi are from a filler, so its validity is arguable. I don't watch the anime, so I was unaware of the battle. Whether or not you want to include it is up to you I guess. Komumura in the same instance was knocked across the town by the same fraccion, however I concede that him lifting the blue whale hollow should at least put in 100 ton range, as blue whales are on average 150-200 tons. Though it kind of hard to gauge one's strength off just one incident. Also Skaar managed to harness the power of 100 trillion tons of kinetic force through his Old Force powers and more impressively the Hulk took it without much of a shrug. Also his fight with Juggernaut in Incredible Hulk #602 is pretty impressive. His manipulation of the Old Force allows him to create a fissures in the ground, deep enough to reach lava, and he amped up his strength enough to actually break Juggernaut's armor and BFRing him into space. I can post scans if you like.

@ghost_rider1 said:

@TheVectorPrime

Hulk is nowhere near as fast as kenpachi. And kenpachi sword will not shatter. He can cut skyscrapers in half with just a flick of his sword. And he fought two captain level shinigami at the same time who are both very proficient with the flash step. So helllll no.....hulk is not as fast or doesn't even compare to kenpachi....

Hulk caought tank projectiles (hypersonic) numerous times. Caught Quciksilver (hypersonic speed), not to mention his feats of tagging FTL chars. He can easily withstand planet explosion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cutting skycrapers. And that's just tip of the iceberg.

@ghost_rider1 said:

Can the strongest Shinigami defeat these two powerhouses at the same time. The fight take place in the Soul Society All fighters are bloodlusted Who wins

No. Not about the question, but about the introduction. Kenpachi is by no means the strongest shinigami...

can't believe no one noticed that.. About the fight though, he's way faster than either of them.. but his love for fighting could be very bad for him, considering hulk get stronger with anger.. I think the team can take him down if they can hit him.. but kenpachi 1 shotted hulk after he finally managed to grow a moustache lol

@RumbleMan_Exe: Again you are randomly posting out of context pictures

His name "Kenpatchi" means that he killed most enemies of Soul Society that alone puts his fighting experience miles above Hulks or Skaars

He fought and defeated Tousen (who is way faster than Grimjow) blindfolded he was parrying attacks only using his sense of touch this requires very high level of skill

He Killed 3 Stern Ritters (Captain level fighters) and did not even get scratched

Blitzed Giriko and Tesla

He is too fast too skilled and too strong For Hulks

@D3athstroke: lol his name is kenpachi not kenpatchi :p

@PrinceAragorn1: Bad example using a featless fullbringer as a testament to Kenpachi's strength. No one in Bleach really has the feats to suggest they have the durability to match what the hulk has survived, neither do they have the strength feats. The main problems with anime vs comic battles is that mangakas don't elaborate on their characters power levels. It's speculative and subjective at best. I personally don't think Kenpachi would have the strength to cut the Hulk in half. His speed would help him get in more slashes then the Hulks would punches, but in the end Kenpachi is going down. He's a glutton for punishment and can take it, but even he has his limits.

@RumbleMan_Exe said:

@Oni_Bane: Read up away after lyoyd royd mucked his grimy ass

Second, He fought 2 captains at once, Tousen (who become a memeber of Arranacar) and Komanura. Also he is a man who enjoys a battle, which means he will absorb one or two punches from Hulk and Skaar before deciding they are worthy opponents and murders them effortlessly. He was not given the name of Kenpachi for nothing. He has won the most battles and killed the most people.

He did not blitz anyone, only smacked coma's shikai and stood there as tosen stabbed him to get his sword, unless you can prove me otherwise.

Kenpachi for the easy win! Effectively using his superior speed and skill to kill these worthy foe.

Skill?

the only one he has is 'bushido' where he uses two hands...

Duude

http://www.mangareader.net/94-593-1/bleach/chapter-139.html

he stood there to 'tank' komamura and tosen's attacks

he just stood there (dude is arrogant as ****) because of this he got caught up in Tosens bankai (tosen is also idiot for explaining how his bankai works)

komamura can hold up his slash

@Buckshot:

Even if I pretend he has only blitzed fodder (untrue) it wouldn't matter since he'd bloodlust.

Any feats on one eye butler then? even the badass tsukishima on that arc was soft (glass cannon)

Kenpachi bloodlusted stands there slashing with a grin on his face and he can do that at speeds beyond what the Hulks can reliably deal with.

with nnoitora he slashed at normal speeds (same as he did with ichigo)

Show, don't tell

He can easily fight at speeds where Byakuya decided he needed to flash step to keep it even.

(show me a scan dude)

In fights he gets damaged more often than not

He stood there?He destroyed Tousen Bankai. Let Ichigo do his best slash against him and didn't even cut him. My question is, how is it the Flash beat everyone because of his speed but Kenpachi can't? Whatever bro. Kenpachi muderstomps the Hulk and Skaar.

@OmgOmgWtfWtf said:

@PrinceAragorn1: Bad example using a featless fullbringer as a testament to Kenpachi's strength. No one in Bleach really has the feats to suggest they have the durability to match what the hulk has survived, neither do they have the strength feats. The main problems with anime vs comic battles is that mangakas don't elaborate on their characters power levels. It's speculative and subjective at best. I personally don't think Kenpachi would have the strength to cut the Hulk in half. His speed would help him get in more slashes then the Hulks would punches, but in the end Kenpachi is going down. He's a glutton for punishment and can take it, but even he has his limits.

lol man why not take a joke like a joke? Giriko does look like hulk with moustache.

About the problems, I agree. They focus more on story and characters instead of powers.. that's good for the manga, bad for debates.. But I have no problem with that..

I agree that he couldn't one-shot the hulk, but he should incapicate him enough to keep slashing till he dies.. Unless hulk's typical: regenerate from skeleton comes in factor.. I wonder what will happen if he actually died.. his body will regenerate into a perfect dead body maybe?

If kenpachi doesn't draw the fight out, he may win. Otherwise, his greed for battle will do him in.. and It's not going to be pretty.

@Oni_Bane: The Flash murders everyone because of his infinite mass punch, not because of his raw speed, so bad example. Also Kenpachi did not destroy Tousen's Bankai, he merely defeated Tousen. Tousen's bankai was deactivated because he didn't have enough strength to keep it up, not to mention Kenpachi figured out how to counter it. Bankai takes a lot of effort to use and such cannot be kept up indefinitely. Also Ichigo beat Kenpachi in the end, so that's another bad example.

@PrinceAragorn1: Sorry i'm really bad at telling sarcasm over the internet. I find it highly unlike that Kenpachi would be able to incapacitate the Hulk with slashes, especially considering his healing factor and previous showings. The Hulk as of recently has not been KOed, at least in my knowledge, and has only died in two instances I can remember. Once during his first encounter with Abomination and with Leob forced Rulk. I just find it very hard to believe Kenpachi could cut the Hulk cleanly in half, when the Hulk has so many showings of durability. Kenpachi didn't even manage to cut Nnoitra in half despite him using two hands. Also, I find it very annoying when people say Kenpachi can cut skyscraper size buildings down or cut people in half. The things he's cutting have no durability feats to even suggest that they are comparable to the Hulk's. Kenpachi just doesn't have the quantity of feats necessary to put him up against a character who has decades worth of them.

@OmgOmgWtfWtf said:

@Oni_Bane: The Flash murders everyone because of his infinite mass punch, not because of his raw speed, so bad example. Also Kenpachi did not destroy Tousen's Bankai, he merely defeated Tousen. Tousen's bankai was deactivated because he didn't have enough strength to keep it up, not to mention Kenpachi figured out how to counter it. Bankai takes a lot of effort to use and such cannot be kept up indefinitely. Also Ichigo beat Kenpachi in the end, so that's another bad example.

Technically Kenpachi won that battle, Ichigo himself say so. The only reason he won was because Zangestu. Also Ichigo said himself he never wants to battle Kenpachi. So its not really a bad example at all.

@OmgOmgWtfWtf said:

@PrinceAragorn1: Sorry i'm really bad at telling sarcasm over the internet. I find it highly unlike that Kenpachi would be able to incapacitate the Hulk with slashes, especially considering his healing factor and previous showings. The Hulk as of recently has not been KOed, at least in my knowledge, and has only died in two instances I can remember. Once during his first encounter with Abomination and with Leob forced Rulk. I just find it very hard to believe Kenpachi could cut the Hulk cleanly in half, when the Hulk has so many showings of durability. Kenpachi didn't even manage to cut Nnoitra in half despite him using two hands. Also, I find it very annoying when people say Kenpachi can cut skyscraper size buildings down or cut people in half. The things he's cutting have no durability feats to even suggest that they are comparable to the Hulk's. Kenpachi just doesn't have the quantity of feats necessary to put him up against a character who has decades worth of them.

No worries about the sarcasm. You do have a point. He's damaged objects with unknown durability only.. but still, hulk is good with blunt force, but sharp weapons seem to manage well against him. Cutting him in half would be overstatement, but considering ken, I'd say the wounds would be pretty serious. Nnoitora was coming at him for a strike.. he countered it. Actually, a few good feats are more than enough to trump a ton of not-so-good ones. It's the quality that matters.. like if you put a guy who showed picking planets up in his solo seris once, he should trump a guy who's been shown to lift cars from centuries.. Just using that as an example, mind you..

@Oni_Bane: It's a bad example because he was fighting an Ichigo who just acquired his shinigami powers, who was already weakened from fighting other people. Zangetsu helped him by teaching him to harness the power of zanpakuto, its not like he was given some immeasurable power upgrade like in his fight with Byakuya or Ulquiorra . Also I think you are mistaken, Ichigo said he lost that battle but then Kenpachi comments that he actually won. Also wanting to not fight someone doesn't equate to being unable to beat them.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v13/c113/16.html

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v13/c113/17.html

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v13/c113/18.html

The same instance that happened with Ichigo will be repeated with Kenpachi. He's going to enjoy fighting the Hulks, commenting on how powerful they are. Totally unaware that the Hulks get stronger as they get angrier and Skaar's Old Force powers. As the fight progresses, Kenpachi will sustain injury, while the Hulks won't because of their healing factor. Once he figures out that they are getting stronger, tougher, and healing faster, he's gonna remove his eye-patch. But by that time the Hulks would have gotten really angry and Skaar would have harnessed the power of the Old Force, and they proceed to beat Kenpachi.

@PrinceAragorn1: It's true that quality beats quantity. But Kenpachi doesn't have many feats to even say that, the point is there have been more Hulk issues then there have been chapters of Bleach. Meaning that in those few pages that Kenpachi is in, the Hulk literally has a ton of more. Also its true that the Hulk has better blunt force feats than he does being cut. But most of the cuts he receives are superficial and would heal instantly. Even if Kenpachi managed to do something like he did to Nnoitra, the Hulk would literally heal in a second or two. Wolverine has fought the Hulk before and commented that by the time he finished cutting him, the wounds would heal making it look like no damage was done. The Hulk has survived having a gaping hole blasted through his chest by Gladiator and in a page it heals up. There are so many feats of the Hulk's durability that you can just google it and scans will be shown. Unless Kenpachi is wielding a sword that can cut through anything, I don't think he's going to do much lasting damage.

@OmgOmgWtfWtf said:

@PrinceAragorn1: It's true that quality beats quantity. But Kenpachi doesn't have many feats to even say that, the point is there have been more Hulk issues then there have been chapters of Bleach. Meaning that in those few pages that Kenpachi is in, the Hulk literally has a ton of more. Also its true that the Hulk has better blunt force feats than he does being cut. But most of the cuts he receives are superficial and would heal instantly. Even if Kenpachi managed to do something like he did to Nnoitra, the Hulk would literally heal in a second or two. Wolverine has fought the Hulk before and commented that by the time he finished cutting him, the wounds would heal making it look like no damage was done. The Hulk has survived having a gaping hole blasted through his chest by Gladiator and in a page it heals up. There are so many feats of the Hulk's durability that you can just google it and scans will be shown. Unless Kenpachi is wielding a sword that can cut through anything, I don't think he's going to do much lasting damage.

Again, issues are not the question, buddy.. hulk has very good feats, I agree, but it doesn't convince me that he cannot be severly injured bu slashes. Wolverine's slashes and kenpachi's have a huge difference in them as well.. He's not receiving superficial cuts here. Hulk's problem here, is he uses nearly nothing but body to tank the damage.. Surviving heart destruction is something cool, that doesn't mean he can't be put down if damaged enough. Nnoitora was supposed to be uncut able.. ken's cut through him.. It's not the sword that matters in anime, it's the hand that is using it..