well this would go to kenpachis favor if the following is determined
1: Kenpachi foought with a released state Yami whos apparantlly the "physically" strongest espada in the group if memory serves right
if yami is determined to be stronger than or eqaul to hulk than we can assumme Kenpachi can fight hulk
course theres no way to gauge this unless u see it with ur own eyes i my self cant tell who would win
see if kubo was ALOT more specific on his characters and their strengths... ^^
Kenpachi...
I have been shown an error in my earlier calc, retrying the numbers gives
Not exactly sure what I did wrong, but you still have to account for the fact that we don't know how fast it was going, his eyepatch as well as Kendo,
And the original 107 terratons ,which is lowballing the feat significantly, is enough to crack the moon open when detonated at the center of the moon, so it's still quite significant considering how restricted Kenpachi still was when accomplishing the feat.
So Kenpachi still has a chance. This is still a better feat then WBH's step. Since this is Savage Hulk and Savage Hulk is nowhere near WBH it's not a stomp for Hulk at all.
the problem with this calc is that there is no way to determine the velocity of this meteor so we cant say anything about the kinetic energy. the only thing we saw was gremmy "thinking" him into existence so basically we have a giant burning rock, everything else is just assumptions.
btw: the velocity cant be that impressive, the debris from the meteor was causing < building level destruction or was Kenpachi miraculously sucking up all the kintetic energy?
the problem with this calc is that there is no way to determine the velocity of this meteor so we cant say anything about the kinetic energy. the only thing we saw was gremmy "thinking" him into existence so basically we have a giant burning rock, everything else is just assumptions.
The calc says that the minimum possible speed for the fire of the meteor is 2 km/s. But that's ridiculously slow for a meteor.
btw: the velocity cant be that impressive, the debris from the meteor was causing < building level destruction or was Kenpachi miraculously sucking up all the kintetic energy?
He blew the meteor apart, those small fragments weren't falling from space they were falling from a few hundred feet up being blown out in all directions.
the problem with this calc is that there is no way to determine the velocity of this meteor so we cant say anything about the kinetic energy. the only thing we saw was gremmy "thinking" him into existence so basically we have a giant burning rock, everything else is just assumptions.
The calc says that the minimum possible speed for the fire of the meteor is 2 km/s. But that's ridiculously slow for a meteor.
btw: the velocity cant be that impressive, the debris from the meteor was causing < building level destruction or was Kenpachi miraculously sucking up all the kintetic energy?
He blew the meteor apart, those small fragments weren't falling from space they were falling from a few hundred feet up being blown out in all directions.
1. maybe the minimum possible speed for a real meteor, but gremmy just imagined a glowing fireball there is no need for a specific velocity, so at that point the calc is useless
2. it doesnt matter if they are falling from space or from the inner atmosphere, even if the debris would only hit with one or two km/s it would do some damage, the debris in the picture did nothing besides blowing up some dust, but that doesnt really matter as the calc is useless from the beginning
Hulk.
the problem with this calc is that there is no way to determine the velocity of this meteor so we cant say anything about the kinetic energy. the only thing we saw was gremmy "thinking" him into existence so basically we have a giant burning rock, everything else is just assumptions.
The calc says that the minimum possible speed for the fire of the meteor is 2 km/s. But that's ridiculously slow for a meteor.
btw: the velocity cant be that impressive, the debris from the meteor was causing < building level destruction or was Kenpachi miraculously sucking up all the kintetic energy?
He blew the meteor apart, those small fragments weren't falling from space they were falling from a few hundred feet up being blown out in all directions.
1. maybe the minimum possible speed for a real meteor, but gremmy just imagined a glowing fireball there is no need for a specific velocity, so at that point the calc is useless
The mere fact that it was on fire from the atmosphere says it was going that minimum speed.
2. it doesnt matter if they are falling from space or from the inner atmosphere, even if the debris would only hit with one or two km/s it would do some damage, the debris in the picture did nothing besides blowing up some dust, but that doesnt really matter as the calc is useless from the beginning
2 km/s = 4,473 mph. I don't think they'd be going that fast after it being stopped by Kenpachi. The pieces left over were tiny. A meteor at 2 meters wide with 500 kg per cubic meter density at 11 km/s would
And that's assuming a 500 kg per cubic meter, which is just a random number, they're probably not close to that.
Also assuming they were going 11 km/s which they more then likely were not, they were probably falling at a very normal speed.
There is nothing wrong with the amount of damage the fragments caused.
How exactly is the calc useless? Tell me.
Holy crap how has it gone so technical? What happened to people just asking the simple question of can Kenpachi cut Hulk??
the problem with this calc is that there is no way to determine the velocity of this meteor so we cant say anything about the kinetic energy. the only thing we saw was gremmy "thinking" him into existence so basically we have a giant burning rock, everything else is just assumptions.
The calc says that the minimum possible speed for the fire of the meteor is 2 km/s. But that's ridiculously slow for a meteor.
btw: the velocity cant be that impressive, the debris from the meteor was causing < building level destruction or was Kenpachi miraculously sucking up all the kintetic energy?
He blew the meteor apart, those small fragments weren't falling from space they were falling from a few hundred feet up being blown out in all directions.
1. maybe the minimum possible speed for a real meteor, but gremmy just imagined a glowing fireball there is no need for a specific velocity, so at that point the calc is useless
The mere fact that it was on fire from the atmosphere says it was going that minimum speed.
2. it doesnt matter if they are falling from space or from the inner atmosphere, even if the debris would only hit with one or two km/s it would do some damage, the debris in the picture did nothing besides blowing up some dust, but that doesnt really matter as the calc is useless from the beginning
2 km/s = 4,473 mph. I don't think they'd be going that fast after it being stopped by Kenpachi. The pieces left over were tiny. A meteor at 2 meters wide with 500 kg per cubic meter density at 11 km/s would
And that's assuming a 500 kg per cubic meter, which is just a random number, they're probably not close to that.
Also assuming they were going 11 km/s which they more then likely were not, they were probably falling at a very normal speed.
There is nothing wrong with the amount of damage the fragments caused.
How exactly is the calc useless? Tell me.
again, you are basing this on an entry process of a real meteor, but here there was no "entry"
"The mere fact that it was on fire from the atmosphere says it was going that minimum speed."
that is flawed, why should it be on fire because of the speed, if gremmy imagined a giant glowing fireball then there is a giant glowing fireball (obviously he isnt bound to our laws of physics), regardless of the speed
so the calc is still useless and compeletely based on your assumptions, expect of course you can show pictures of the meteor travel through space, entering the atmospehere and catching on fire, then we would have proof that its on fire because of his speed
See fights like this HULk cannot win due to one factor. The Speed. If it was a different anime character like Amstrong from Full metal then i would say the HULK but Kenpachi speed and strength is enough to cut the HULK and do heavy damage. We all seen bleach amime every body high levels moves at speeds that the hulk cannot follow.
I think one point people seem to overlook is the speed difference.
We have seen just how fast Captains are throughout. Chad fight with a captain should ring few bells too with all his firepower Chad couldn't connect a single one.
Btw does Kenpachi have flash steps ? I don't recall seeing him use it but every captain seem to.
the problem with this calc is that there is no way to determine the velocity of this meteor so we cant say anything about the kinetic energy. the only thing we saw was gremmy "thinking" him into existence so basically we have a giant burning rock, everything else is just assumptions.
The calc says that the minimum possible speed for the fire of the meteor is 2 km/s. But that's ridiculously slow for a meteor.
btw: the velocity cant be that impressive, the debris from the meteor was causing < building level destruction or was Kenpachi miraculously sucking up all the kintetic energy?
He blew the meteor apart, those small fragments weren't falling from space they were falling from a few hundred feet up being blown out in all directions.
1. maybe the minimum possible speed for a real meteor, but gremmy just imagined a glowing fireball there is no need for a specific velocity, so at that point the calc is useless
The mere fact that it was on fire from the atmosphere says it was going that minimum speed.
2. it doesnt matter if they are falling from space or from the inner atmosphere, even if the debris would only hit with one or two km/s it would do some damage, the debris in the picture did nothing besides blowing up some dust, but that doesnt really matter as the calc is useless from the beginning
2 km/s = 4,473 mph. I don't think they'd be going that fast after it being stopped by Kenpachi. The pieces left over were tiny. A meteor at 2 meters wide with 500 kg per cubic meter density at 11 km/s would
And that's assuming a 500 kg per cubic meter, which is just a random number, they're probably not close to that.
Also assuming they were going 11 km/s which they more then likely were not, they were probably falling at a very normal speed.
There is nothing wrong with the amount of damage the fragments caused.
How exactly is the calc useless? Tell me.
again, you are basing this on an entry process of a real meteor, but here there was no "entry"
"The mere fact that it was on fire from the atmosphere says it was going that minimum speed."
If Gremmy imagined there being an entry then there was. And how can you say there was no entry? You don't know how high the meteor was, and we know Soul Society has an atmosphere because souls still need to breathe.
that is flawed, why should it be on fire because of the speed, if gremmy imagined a giant glowing fireball then there is a giant glowing fireball (obviously he isnt bound to our laws of physics), regardless of the speed
You don't know what he imagined though, there is an atmosphere in Soul Society. So why is it impossible?
so the calc is still useless and compeletely based on your assumptions, expect of course you can show pictures of the meteor travel through space, entering the atmospehere and catching on fire, then we would have proof that its on fire because of his speed
We see it flying through the clouds .
And Gremmy imagined a meteor, it'd be like when he imagined Yachiru was cookies, Kenpachi didn't know what cookies were but Gremmy is a human so he does. Well he knows what a meteor is and that they come from space and are moving ridiculously fast. So why wouldn't he imagine it that way?
I think one point people seem to overlook is the speed difference.
We have seen just how fast Captains are throughout. Chad fight with a captain should ring few bells too with all his firepower Chad couldn't connect a single one.
Btw does Kenpachi have flash steps ? I don't recall seeing him use it but every captain seem to.
As far as we know he does not, he didn't pre-timeskip but who knows recently. But his legs muscles make up for it, as he was able to run with a Bullet Train or something, and in-canon he was keeping up with Nnoitra who has Sonido. Plus he was able to get to Yachiru within a few minutes from wherever him and Unohona were training deep underground. And he was able to react instantaneously from the touch of Tousen's sword.
the problem with this calc is that there is no way to determine the velocity of this meteor so we cant say anything about the kinetic energy. the only thing we saw was gremmy "thinking" him into existence so basically we have a giant burning rock, everything else is just assumptions.
The calc says that the minimum possible speed for the fire of the meteor is 2 km/s. But that's ridiculously slow for a meteor.
btw: the velocity cant be that impressive, the debris from the meteor was causing < building level destruction or was Kenpachi miraculously sucking up all the kintetic energy?
He blew the meteor apart, those small fragments weren't falling from space they were falling from a few hundred feet up being blown out in all directions.
1. maybe the minimum possible speed for a real meteor, but gremmy just imagined a glowing fireball there is no need for a specific velocity, so at that point the calc is useless
The mere fact that it was on fire from the atmosphere says it was going that minimum speed.
2. it doesnt matter if they are falling from space or from the inner atmosphere, even if the debris would only hit with one or two km/s it would do some damage, the debris in the picture did nothing besides blowing up some dust, but that doesnt really matter as the calc is useless from the beginning
2 km/s = 4,473 mph. I don't think they'd be going that fast after it being stopped by Kenpachi. The pieces left over were tiny. A meteor at 2 meters wide with 500 kg per cubic meter density at 11 km/s would
And that's assuming a 500 kg per cubic meter, which is just a random number, they're probably not close to that.
Also assuming they were going 11 km/s which they more then likely were not, they were probably falling at a very normal speed.
There is nothing wrong with the amount of damage the fragments caused.
How exactly is the calc useless? Tell me.
again, you are basing this on an entry process of a real meteor, but here there was no "entry"
"The mere fact that it was on fire from the atmosphere says it was going that minimum speed."
If Gremmy imagined there being an entry then there was. And how can you say there was no entry? You don't know how high the meteor was, and we know Soul Society has an atmosphere because souls still need to breathe.
that is flawed, why should it be on fire because of the speed, if gremmy imagined a giant glowing fireball then there is a giant glowing fireball (obviously he isnt bound to our laws of physics), regardless of the speed
You don't know what he imagined though, there is an atmosphere in Soul Society. So why is it impossible?
so the calc is still useless and compeletely based on your assumptions, expect of course you can show pictures of the meteor travel through space, entering the atmospehere and catching on fire, then we would have proof that its on fire because of his speed
We see it flying through the clouds .
And Gremmy imagined a meteor, it'd be like when he imagined Yachiru was cookies, Kenpachi didn't know what cookies were but Gremmy is a human so he does. Well he knows what a meteor is and that they come from space and are moving ridiculously fast. So why wouldn't he imagine it that way?
ok still nothing to proof, everthing based on assumption, so a non quantifiable feat and the calc is still useless, cool.
btw: why should someone with reality warping power need to imagine an meteor entry process for a meteor when he can simply imagine a glowing meteor on fire into existence? or does he need to imagine the process to bake cookies first to switch someone bones with it? that doesnt make sense.
so the only thing we know from the manga, is that gremmy imagined a glowing fireball into existence because that is the only thing we saw.
the problem with this calc is that there is no way to determine the velocity of this meteor so we cant say anything about the kinetic energy. the only thing we saw was gremmy "thinking" him into existence so basically we have a giant burning rock, everything else is just assumptions.
The calc says that the minimum possible speed for the fire of the meteor is 2 km/s. But that's ridiculously slow for a meteor.
btw: the velocity cant be that impressive, the debris from the meteor was causing < building level destruction or was Kenpachi miraculously sucking up all the kintetic energy?
He blew the meteor apart, those small fragments weren't falling from space they were falling from a few hundred feet up being blown out in all directions.
1. maybe the minimum possible speed for a real meteor, but gremmy just imagined a glowing fireball there is no need for a specific velocity, so at that point the calc is useless
The mere fact that it was on fire from the atmosphere says it was going that minimum speed.
2. it doesnt matter if they are falling from space or from the inner atmosphere, even if the debris would only hit with one or two km/s it would do some damage, the debris in the picture did nothing besides blowing up some dust, but that doesnt really matter as the calc is useless from the beginning
2 km/s = 4,473 mph. I don't think they'd be going that fast after it being stopped by Kenpachi. The pieces left over were tiny. A meteor at 2 meters wide with 500 kg per cubic meter density at 11 km/s would
And that's assuming a 500 kg per cubic meter, which is just a random number, they're probably not close to that.
Also assuming they were going 11 km/s which they more then likely were not, they were probably falling at a very normal speed.
There is nothing wrong with the amount of damage the fragments caused.
How exactly is the calc useless? Tell me.
again, you are basing this on an entry process of a real meteor, but here there was no "entry"
"The mere fact that it was on fire from the atmosphere says it was going that minimum speed."
If Gremmy imagined there being an entry then there was. And how can you say there was no entry? You don't know how high the meteor was, and we know Soul Society has an atmosphere because souls still need to breathe.
that is flawed, why should it be on fire because of the speed, if gremmy imagined a giant glowing fireball then there is a giant glowing fireball (obviously he isnt bound to our laws of physics), regardless of the speed
You don't know what he imagined though, there is an atmosphere in Soul Society. So why is it impossible?
so the calc is still useless and compeletely based on your assumptions, expect of course you can show pictures of the meteor travel through space, entering the atmospehere and catching on fire, then we would have proof that its on fire because of his speed
We see it flying through the clouds .
And Gremmy imagined a meteor, it'd be like when he imagined Yachiru was cookies, Kenpachi didn't know what cookies were but Gremmy is a human so he does. Well he knows what a meteor is and that they come from space and are moving ridiculously fast. So why wouldn't he imagine it that way?
nah Ratava is right on this one, EVERYTHING is based on pure speculation and then you try to proof something (realtion between speed/bunring meteor) by using rl-logic on a meteor that was "wished" into reality by a reality warper. its impressive that he destroyed a gigantic rock but thats it
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the problem with this calc is that there is no way to determine the velocity of this meteor so we cant say anything about the kinetic energy. the only thing we saw was gremmy "thinking" him into existence so basically we have a giant burning rock, everything else is just assumptions.
The calc says that the minimum possible speed for the fire of the meteor is 2 km/s. But that's ridiculously slow for a meteor.
btw: the velocity cant be that impressive, the debris from the meteor was causing < building level destruction or was Kenpachi miraculously sucking up all the kintetic energy?
He blew the meteor apart, those small fragments weren't falling from space they were falling from a few hundred feet up being blown out in all directions.
1. maybe the minimum possible speed for a real meteor, but gremmy just imagined a glowing fireball there is no need for a specific velocity, so at that point the calc is useless
The mere fact that it was on fire from the atmosphere says it was going that minimum speed.
2. it doesnt matter if they are falling from space or from the inner atmosphere, even if the debris would only hit with one or two km/s it would do some damage, the debris in the picture did nothing besides blowing up some dust, but that doesnt really matter as the calc is useless from the beginning
2 km/s = 4,473 mph. I don't think they'd be going that fast after it being stopped by Kenpachi. The pieces left over were tiny. A meteor at 2 meters wide with 500 kg per cubic meter density at 11 km/s would
And that's assuming a 500 kg per cubic meter, which is just a random number, they're probably not close to that.
Also assuming they were going 11 km/s which they more then likely were not, they were probably falling at a very normal speed.
There is nothing wrong with the amount of damage the fragments caused.
How exactly is the calc useless? Tell me.
again, you are basing this on an entry process of a real meteor, but here there was no "entry"
"The mere fact that it was on fire from the atmosphere says it was going that minimum speed."
If Gremmy imagined there being an entry then there was. And how can you say there was no entry? You don't know how high the meteor was, and we know Soul Society has an atmosphere because souls still need to breathe.
that is flawed, why should it be on fire because of the speed, if gremmy imagined a giant glowing fireball then there is a giant glowing fireball (obviously he isnt bound to our laws of physics), regardless of the speed
You don't know what he imagined though, there is an atmosphere in Soul Society. So why is it impossible?
so the calc is still useless and compeletely based on your assumptions, expect of course you can show pictures of the meteor travel through space, entering the atmospehere and catching on fire, then we would have proof that its on fire because of his speed
We see it flying through the clouds .
And Gremmy imagined a meteor, it'd be like when he imagined Yachiru was cookies, Kenpachi didn't know what cookies were but Gremmy is a human so he does. Well he knows what a meteor is and that they come from space and are moving ridiculously fast. So why wouldn't he imagine it that way?
ok still nothing to proof, everthing based on assumption, so a non quantifiable feat and the calc is still useless, cool.
btw: why should someone with reality warping power need to imagine an meteor entry process for a meteor when he can simply imagine a glowing meteor on fire into existence? or does he need to imagine the process to bake cookies first to switch someone bones with it? that doesnt make sense.
And you're assuming that it wasn't from space, you're being kinda hypocritical. You have no more proof that it wasn't from space than I have that it was. We didn't actually see it coming into existence. All we saw was it falling through the clouds which requires it to be above the clouds to begin with.He doesn't need to imagine the baking process, but he does need to imagine that it is a cookie.He imagined a meteor, and the very definition of meteor is
Astronomy .
a.
a meteoroid that has entered the earth's atmosphere.b.
a transient fiery streak in the sky produced by a meteoroid passing through the earth's atmosphere; a shooting star or bolide.so the only thing we know from the manga, is that gremmy imagined a glowing fireball into existence because that is the only thing we saw.
In order to be a meteor it needs to enter the atmosphere.If it wasn't passing through the atmosphere then it's just a big rock.
That argument works two ways as well, he made cookies without needing to imagine baking them, thus he could imagine the meteor moving at that speed without it falling from space. Bottom line is that neither of us have the authority to say what gremmy was imagining.
the problem with this calc is that there is no way to determine the velocity of this meteor so we cant say anything about the kinetic energy. the only thing we saw was gremmy "thinking" him into existence so basically we have a giant burning rock, everything else is just assumptions.
The calc says that the minimum possible speed for the fire of the meteor is 2 km/s. But that's ridiculously slow for a meteor.
btw: the velocity cant be that impressive, the debris from the meteor was causing < building level destruction or was Kenpachi miraculously sucking up all the kintetic energy?
He blew the meteor apart, those small fragments weren't falling from space they were falling from a few hundred feet up being blown out in all directions.
1. maybe the minimum possible speed for a real meteor, but gremmy just imagined a glowing fireball there is no need for a specific velocity, so at that point the calc is useless
The mere fact that it was on fire from the atmosphere says it was going that minimum speed.
2. it doesnt matter if they are falling from space or from the inner atmosphere, even if the debris would only hit with one or two km/s it would do some damage, the debris in the picture did nothing besides blowing up some dust, but that doesnt really matter as the calc is useless from the beginning
2 km/s = 4,473 mph. I don't think they'd be going that fast after it being stopped by Kenpachi. The pieces left over were tiny. A meteor at 2 meters wide with 500 kg per cubic meter density at 11 km/s would
And that's assuming a 500 kg per cubic meter, which is just a random number, they're probably not close to that.
Also assuming they were going 11 km/s which they more then likely were not, they were probably falling at a very normal speed.
There is nothing wrong with the amount of damage the fragments caused.
How exactly is the calc useless? Tell me.
again, you are basing this on an entry process of a real meteor, but here there was no "entry"
"The mere fact that it was on fire from the atmosphere says it was going that minimum speed."
If Gremmy imagined there being an entry then there was. And how can you say there was no entry? You don't know how high the meteor was, and we know Soul Society has an atmosphere because souls still need to breathe.
that is flawed, why should it be on fire because of the speed, if gremmy imagined a giant glowing fireball then there is a giant glowing fireball (obviously he isnt bound to our laws of physics), regardless of the speed
You don't know what he imagined though, there is an atmosphere in Soul Society. So why is it impossible?
so the calc is still useless and compeletely based on your assumptions, expect of course you can show pictures of the meteor travel through space, entering the atmospehere and catching on fire, then we would have proof that its on fire because of his speed
We see it flying through the clouds .
And Gremmy imagined a meteor, it'd be like when he imagined Yachiru was cookies, Kenpachi didn't know what cookies were but Gremmy is a human so he does. Well he knows what a meteor is and that they come from space and are moving ridiculously fast. So why wouldn't he imagine it that way?
nah Ratava is right on this one, EVERYTHING is based on pure speculation and then you try to proof something (realtion between speed/bunring meteor) by using rl-logic on a meteor that was "wished" into reality by a reality warper. its impressive that he destroyed a gigantic rock but thats it
It is also speculation to assume that it wasn't. As I said above, the very definition of a meteor is a meteoroid that has entered the atmosphere. Otherwise it's just a rock. And there's nothing to say that Gremmy couldn't imagine it falling at that speed whether it started in space or not. Bottom line is that none of us can say what Gremmy was imagining.
the problem with this calc is that there is no way to determine the velocity of this meteor so we cant say anything about the kinetic energy. the only thing we saw was gremmy "thinking" him into existence so basically we have a giant burning rock, everything else is just assumptions.
The calc says that the minimum possible speed for the fire of the meteor is 2 km/s. But that's ridiculously slow for a meteor.
btw: the velocity cant be that impressive, the debris from the meteor was causing < building level destruction or was Kenpachi miraculously sucking up all the kintetic energy?
He blew the meteor apart, those small fragments weren't falling from space they were falling from a few hundred feet up being blown out in all directions.
1. maybe the minimum possible speed for a real meteor, but gremmy just imagined a glowing fireball there is no need for a specific velocity, so at that point the calc is useless
The mere fact that it was on fire from the atmosphere says it was going that minimum speed.
2. it doesnt matter if they are falling from space or from the inner atmosphere, even if the debris would only hit with one or two km/s it would do some damage, the debris in the picture did nothing besides blowing up some dust, but that doesnt really matter as the calc is useless from the beginning
2 km/s = 4,473 mph. I don't think they'd be going that fast after it being stopped by Kenpachi. The pieces left over were tiny. A meteor at 2 meters wide with 500 kg per cubic meter density at 11 km/s would
And that's assuming a 500 kg per cubic meter, which is just a random number, they're probably not close to that.
Also assuming they were going 11 km/s which they more then likely were not, they were probably falling at a very normal speed.
There is nothing wrong with the amount of damage the fragments caused.
How exactly is the calc useless? Tell me.
again, you are basing this on an entry process of a real meteor, but here there was no "entry"
"The mere fact that it was on fire from the atmosphere says it was going that minimum speed."
If Gremmy imagined there being an entry then there was. And how can you say there was no entry? You don't know how high the meteor was, and we know Soul Society has an atmosphere because souls still need to breathe.
that is flawed, why should it be on fire because of the speed, if gremmy imagined a giant glowing fireball then there is a giant glowing fireball (obviously he isnt bound to our laws of physics), regardless of the speed
You don't know what he imagined though, there is an atmosphere in Soul Society. So why is it impossible?
so the calc is still useless and compeletely based on your assumptions, expect of course you can show pictures of the meteor travel through space, entering the atmospehere and catching on fire, then we would have proof that its on fire because of his speed
We see it flying through the clouds .
And Gremmy imagined a meteor, it'd be like when he imagined Yachiru was cookies, Kenpachi didn't know what cookies were but Gremmy is a human so he does. Well he knows what a meteor is and that they come from space and are moving ridiculously fast. So why wouldn't he imagine it that way?
ok still nothing to proof, everthing based on assumption, so a non quantifiable feat and the calc is still useless, cool.
btw: why should someone with reality warping power need to imagine an meteor entry process for a meteor when he can simply imagine a glowing meteor on fire into existence? or does he need to imagine the process to bake cookies first to switch someone bones with it? that doesnt make sense.
And you're assuming that it wasn't from space, you're being kinda hypocritical. You have no more proof that it wasn't from space than I have that it was. We didn't actually see it coming into existence. All we saw was it falling through the clouds which requires it to be above the clouds to begin with.He doesn't need to imagine the baking process, but he does need to imagine that it is a cookie.He imagined a meteor, and the very definition of meteor is
Astronomy .
a.
a meteoroid that has entered the earth's atmosphere.b.
a transient fiery streak in the sky produced by a meteoroid passing through the earth's atmosphere; a shooting star or bolide.so the only thing we know from the manga, is that gremmy imagined a glowing fireball into existence because that is the only thing we saw.
In order to be a meteor it needs to enter the atmosphere.If it wasn't passing through the atmosphere then it's just a big rock.
That argument works two ways as well, he made cookies without needing to imagine baking them, thus he could imagine the meteor moving at that speed without it falling from space. Bottom line is that neither of us have the authority to say what gremmy was imagining.
the problem with this calc is that there is no way to determine the velocity of this meteor so we cant say anything about the kinetic energy. the only thing we saw was gremmy "thinking" him into existence so basically we have a giant burning rock, everything else is just assumptions.
The calc says that the minimum possible speed for the fire of the meteor is 2 km/s. But that's ridiculously slow for a meteor.
btw: the velocity cant be that impressive, the debris from the meteor was causing < building level destruction or was Kenpachi miraculously sucking up all the kintetic energy?
He blew the meteor apart, those small fragments weren't falling from space they were falling from a few hundred feet up being blown out in all directions.
1. maybe the minimum possible speed for a real meteor, but gremmy just imagined a glowing fireball there is no need for a specific velocity, so at that point the calc is useless
The mere fact that it was on fire from the atmosphere says it was going that minimum speed.
2. it doesnt matter if they are falling from space or from the inner atmosphere, even if the debris would only hit with one or two km/s it would do some damage, the debris in the picture did nothing besides blowing up some dust, but that doesnt really matter as the calc is useless from the beginning
2 km/s = 4,473 mph. I don't think they'd be going that fast after it being stopped by Kenpachi. The pieces left over were tiny. A meteor at 2 meters wide with 500 kg per cubic meter density at 11 km/s would
And that's assuming a 500 kg per cubic meter, which is just a random number, they're probably not close to that.
Also assuming they were going 11 km/s which they more then likely were not, they were probably falling at a very normal speed.
There is nothing wrong with the amount of damage the fragments caused.
How exactly is the calc useless? Tell me.
again, you are basing this on an entry process of a real meteor, but here there was no "entry"
"The mere fact that it was on fire from the atmosphere says it was going that minimum speed."
If Gremmy imagined there being an entry then there was. And how can you say there was no entry? You don't know how high the meteor was, and we know Soul Society has an atmosphere because souls still need to breathe.
that is flawed, why should it be on fire because of the speed, if gremmy imagined a giant glowing fireball then there is a giant glowing fireball (obviously he isnt bound to our laws of physics), regardless of the speed
You don't know what he imagined though, there is an atmosphere in Soul Society. So why is it impossible?
so the calc is still useless and compeletely based on your assumptions, expect of course you can show pictures of the meteor travel through space, entering the atmospehere and catching on fire, then we would have proof that its on fire because of his speed
We see it flying through the clouds .
And Gremmy imagined a meteor, it'd be like when he imagined Yachiru was cookies, Kenpachi didn't know what cookies were but Gremmy is a human so he does. Well he knows what a meteor is and that they come from space and are moving ridiculously fast. So why wouldn't he imagine it that way?
nah Ratava is right on this one, EVERYTHING is based on pure speculation and then you try to proof something (realtion between speed/bunring meteor) by using rl-logic on a meteor that was "wished" into reality by a reality warper. its impressive that he destroyed a gigantic rock but thats it
It is also speculation to assume that it wasn't. As I said above, the very definition of a meteor is a meteoroid that has entered the atmosphere. Otherwise it's just a rock. And there's nothing to say that Gremmy couldn't imagine it falling at that speed whether it started in space or not. Bottom line is that none of us can say what Gremmy was imagining.
so nothing new, besides assumptions and gremmy using his reality warping power to imagine a glowing fireball into existence
the problem with this calc is that there is no way to determine the velocity of this meteor so we cant say anything about the kinetic energy. the only thing we saw was gremmy "thinking" him into existence so basically we have a giant burning rock, everything else is just assumptions.
The calc says that the minimum possible speed for the fire of the meteor is 2 km/s. But that's ridiculously slow for a meteor.
btw: the velocity cant be that impressive, the debris from the meteor was causing < building level destruction or was Kenpachi miraculously sucking up all the kintetic energy?
He blew the meteor apart, those small fragments weren't falling from space they were falling from a few hundred feet up being blown out in all directions.
1. maybe the minimum possible speed for a real meteor, but gremmy just imagined a glowing fireball there is no need for a specific velocity, so at that point the calc is useless
The mere fact that it was on fire from the atmosphere says it was going that minimum speed.
2. it doesnt matter if they are falling from space or from the inner atmosphere, even if the debris would only hit with one or two km/s it would do some damage, the debris in the picture did nothing besides blowing up some dust, but that doesnt really matter as the calc is useless from the beginning
2 km/s = 4,473 mph. I don't think they'd be going that fast after it being stopped by Kenpachi. The pieces left over were tiny. A meteor at 2 meters wide with 500 kg per cubic meter density at 11 km/s would
And that's assuming a 500 kg per cubic meter, which is just a random number, they're probably not close to that.
Also assuming they were going 11 km/s which they more then likely were not, they were probably falling at a very normal speed.
There is nothing wrong with the amount of damage the fragments caused.
How exactly is the calc useless? Tell me.
again, you are basing this on an entry process of a real meteor, but here there was no "entry"
"The mere fact that it was on fire from the atmosphere says it was going that minimum speed."
If Gremmy imagined there being an entry then there was. And how can you say there was no entry? You don't know how high the meteor was, and we know Soul Society has an atmosphere because souls still need to breathe.
that is flawed, why should it be on fire because of the speed, if gremmy imagined a giant glowing fireball then there is a giant glowing fireball (obviously he isnt bound to our laws of physics), regardless of the speed
You don't know what he imagined though, there is an atmosphere in Soul Society. So why is it impossible?
so the calc is still useless and compeletely based on your assumptions, expect of course you can show pictures of the meteor travel through space, entering the atmospehere and catching on fire, then we would have proof that its on fire because of his speed
We see it flying through the clouds .
And Gremmy imagined a meteor, it'd be like when he imagined Yachiru was cookies, Kenpachi didn't know what cookies were but Gremmy is a human so he does. Well he knows what a meteor is and that they come from space and are moving ridiculously fast. So why wouldn't he imagine it that way?
ok still nothing to proof, everthing based on assumption, so a non quantifiable feat and the calc is still useless, cool.
btw: why should someone with reality warping power need to imagine an meteor entry process for a meteor when he can simply imagine a glowing meteor on fire into existence? or does he need to imagine the process to bake cookies first to switch someone bones with it? that doesnt make sense.
And you're assuming that it wasn't from space, you're being kinda hypocritical. You have no more proof that it wasn't from space than I have that it was. We didn't actually see it coming into existence. All we saw was it falling through the clouds which requires it to be above the clouds to begin with.He doesn't need to imagine the baking process, but he does need to imagine that it is a cookie.He imagined a meteor, and the very definition of meteor is
Astronomy .
a.
a meteoroid that has entered the earth's atmosphere.b.
a transient fiery streak in the sky produced by a meteoroid passing through the earth's atmosphere; a shooting star or bolide.so the only thing we know from the manga, is that gremmy imagined a glowing fireball into existence because that is the only thing we saw.
In order to be a meteor it needs to enter the atmosphere.If it wasn't passing through the atmosphere then it's just a big rock.
That argument works two ways as well, he made cookies without needing to imagine baking them, thus he could imagine the meteor moving at that speed without it falling from space. Bottom line is that neither of us have the authority to say what gremmy was imagining.
the problem with this calc is that there is no way to determine the velocity of this meteor so we cant say anything about the kinetic energy. the only thing we saw was gremmy "thinking" him into existence so basically we have a giant burning rock, everything else is just assumptions.
The calc says that the minimum possible speed for the fire of the meteor is 2 km/s. But that's ridiculously slow for a meteor.
btw: the velocity cant be that impressive, the debris from the meteor was causing < building level destruction or was Kenpachi miraculously sucking up all the kintetic energy?
He blew the meteor apart, those small fragments weren't falling from space they were falling from a few hundred feet up being blown out in all directions.
1. maybe the minimum possible speed for a real meteor, but gremmy just imagined a glowing fireball there is no need for a specific velocity, so at that point the calc is useless
The mere fact that it was on fire from the atmosphere says it was going that minimum speed.
2. it doesnt matter if they are falling from space or from the inner atmosphere, even if the debris would only hit with one or two km/s it would do some damage, the debris in the picture did nothing besides blowing up some dust, but that doesnt really matter as the calc is useless from the beginning
2 km/s = 4,473 mph. I don't think they'd be going that fast after it being stopped by Kenpachi. The pieces left over were tiny. A meteor at 2 meters wide with 500 kg per cubic meter density at 11 km/s would
And that's assuming a 500 kg per cubic meter, which is just a random number, they're probably not close to that.
Also assuming they were going 11 km/s which they more then likely were not, they were probably falling at a very normal speed.
There is nothing wrong with the amount of damage the fragments caused.
How exactly is the calc useless? Tell me.
again, you are basing this on an entry process of a real meteor, but here there was no "entry"
"The mere fact that it was on fire from the atmosphere says it was going that minimum speed."
If Gremmy imagined there being an entry then there was. And how can you say there was no entry? You don't know how high the meteor was, and we know Soul Society has an atmosphere because souls still need to breathe.
that is flawed, why should it be on fire because of the speed, if gremmy imagined a giant glowing fireball then there is a giant glowing fireball (obviously he isnt bound to our laws of physics), regardless of the speed
You don't know what he imagined though, there is an atmosphere in Soul Society. So why is it impossible?
so the calc is still useless and compeletely based on your assumptions, expect of course you can show pictures of the meteor travel through space, entering the atmospehere and catching on fire, then we would have proof that its on fire because of his speed
We see it flying through the clouds .
And Gremmy imagined a meteor, it'd be like when he imagined Yachiru was cookies, Kenpachi didn't know what cookies were but Gremmy is a human so he does. Well he knows what a meteor is and that they come from space and are moving ridiculously fast. So why wouldn't he imagine it that way?
nah Ratava is right on this one, EVERYTHING is based on pure speculation and then you try to proof something (realtion between speed/bunring meteor) by using rl-logic on a meteor that was "wished" into reality by a reality warper. its impressive that he destroyed a gigantic rock but thats it
It is also speculation to assume that it wasn't. As I said above, the very definition of a meteor is a meteoroid that has entered the atmosphere. Otherwise it's just a rock. And there's nothing to say that Gremmy couldn't imagine it falling at that speed whether it started in space or not. Bottom line is that none of us can say what Gremmy was imagining.
so nothing new, besides assumptions and gremmy using his reality warping power to imagine a glowing fireball into existence
Magnificent way of ignoring everything I said.
@ghostravage: how is he as durable as adamantium ?
Adamantium has more consistant feats of durability.
It is also speculation to assume that it wasn't. As I said above, the very definition of a meteor is a meteoroid that has entered the atmosphere. Otherwise it's just a rock. And there's nothing to say that Gremmy couldn't imagine it falling at that speed whether it started in space or not. Bottom line is that none of us can say what Gremmy was imagining.
see you said it yourself baseless calculation is still baseless
It is also speculation to assume that it wasn't. As I said above, the very definition of a meteor is a meteoroid that has entered the atmosphere. Otherwise it's just a rock. And there's nothing to say that Gremmy couldn't imagine it falling at that speed whether it started in space or not. Bottom line is that none of us can say what Gremmy was imagining.
see you said it yourself baseless calculation is still baseless
yeah, nothing to add
It is also speculation to assume that it wasn't. As I said above, the very definition of a meteor is a meteoroid that has entered the atmosphere. Otherwise it's just a rock. And there's nothing to say that Gremmy couldn't imagine it falling at that speed whether it started in space or not. Bottom line is that none of us can say what Gremmy was imagining.
see you said it yourself baseless calculation is still baseless
yeah, nothing to add
but it was still impressive that he cut the giant meteor with ease whereas it was a diasppointment how he got down against the sternenritter
It is also speculation to assume that it wasn't. As I said above, the very definition of a meteor is a meteoroid that has entered the atmosphere. Otherwise it's just a rock. And there's nothing to say that Gremmy couldn't imagine it falling at that speed whether it started in space or not. Bottom line is that none of us can say what Gremmy was imagining.
see you said it yourself baseless calculation is still baseless
yeah, nothing to add
but it was still impressive that he cut the giant meteor with ease whereas it was a diasppointment how he got down against the sternenritter
kubo had to build up something so ichigo could have his hero moment but true that was stupid
It is also speculation to assume that it wasn't. As I said above, the very definition of a meteor is a meteoroid that has entered the atmosphere. Otherwise it's just a rock. And there's nothing to say that Gremmy couldn't imagine it falling at that speed whether it started in space or not. Bottom line is that none of us can say what Gremmy was imagining.
see you said it yourself baseless calculation is still baseless
If you have a discussion can you cut my name out so I don't get spammed? Thanks.
And what I meant was, one of us is right, but it's up to opinion which it is, and most people I've seen are of the same opinion as me. We've seen Gremmy use Lava, did that lava have to come out of a volcano? No, it didn't stop being lava and it didn't stop being as hot as lava, so why does his Meteor have to start in space to be as fast as a meteor? There's no reason he shouldn't be able to create it going that fast.
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