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#1 Edited by WillPayton (8407 posts) - - Show Bio

vs

KC Superman vs Thor w/ warrior madness. Who wins?

#2 Edited by Moonman78 (1726 posts) - - Show Bio

KC superman

#3 Posted by TheMagicStik (948 posts) - - Show Bio

KC Superman is nearly featless but based on implied strength he is stronger and more durable than Superman who also beats Thor so KC Superman.

#4 Edited by GhostRavage (7555 posts) - - Show Bio

KC Superman is nearly featless but based on implied strength he is stronger and more durable than Superman who also beats Thor so KC Superman.

I agree with this. Even though we don't get along.

#5 Posted by MonsterStomp (13080 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate that KC Superman has limited feats.

#6 Posted by DeathandGrim (1928 posts) - - Show Bio

KC Supes has this one handily

#7 Posted by pooty (10309 posts) - - Show Bio

Does KC Supes have combat/reflex speed feats? WM Thor is 10x stronger then normal. Normal but not holding back Thor beat the crap out of a not holding back Silver Surfer. Add WM to that and I don't think KC supes can handle that.... unless he's so fast he can't be touched

#8 Edited by patrat18 (6738 posts) - - Show Bio

KC.

#9 Posted by WillPayton (8407 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

Does KC Supes have combat/reflex speed feats? WM Thor is 10x stronger then normal. Normal but not holding back Thor beat the crap out of a not holding back Silver Surfer. Add WM to that and I don't think KC supes can handle that.... unless he's so fast he can't be touched

Well, he definitely has super-speed.

#10 Posted by WillPayton (8407 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

Does KC Supes have combat/reflex speed feats? WM Thor is 10x stronger then normal. Normal but not holding back Thor beat the crap out of a not holding back Silver Surfer. Add WM to that and I don't think KC supes can handle that.... unless he's so fast he can't be touched

Also, he can punch lightning!

#11 Posted by czarny_samael666 (16629 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: @willpayton:

These scans actually support point, that he can be hit.

Fight is in character and KC Supe was hitted many times.

WM Thor likes to brawl, but he clearly shown that difference between him and normal Thor is important in his fight with Warlock, who ealier was humiliating him.

Normal Thor was able to reflect speedblitz from Hyperion-712 who has better reflex speed. I would also go to his fight with Gladiator, Surfer, young Nova, Firelord or Iron Man.

Out of hand I have this scan:

and it is what google gived me when I've written "iron man vs thor" (Straczynski's run):

http://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/thorman111.jpg

http://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/thorman7.jpg

I can look for more, but I belive that more important question is:

What kind of strength and durability KC Superman brings to the table, that puts even normal Thor below him, along with his enemies like Gladiator, Hyperion-712, Kurse, Hercules or Hulk.

P.S. Wasn't NE Superman injured above, because of his weakness to magic?

#12 Edited by dorukesin (3727 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666 said:

@pooty: @willpayton:

P.S. Wasn't NE Superman injured above, because of his weakness to magic?

magic can penetrate his invulnerability.But it can't kill him

superman never killed by magic in comics

#13 Edited by czarny_samael666 (16629 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666 said:

@pooty: @willpayton:

P.S. Wasn't NE Superman injured above, because of his weakness to magic?

magic can penetrate his invulnerability.But it can't kill him

superman never killed by magic in comics

KO is enough, going by what You say, did it affect him in scan above (in fight with Herc)?

#14 Posted by dorukesin (3727 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666 said:

KO is enough, going by what You say, did it affect him in scan above (in fight with Herc)?

if K.O'd is enough,ill give it to Thor then.KC Superman doesn't have much feats

#15 Edited by WillPayton (8407 posts) - - Show Bio

P.S. Wasn't NE Superman injured above, because of his weakness to magic?

There's no proof that Hercules used any magic on Superman, he just punched him.

#16 Edited by RetconCrisis (3249 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman survives and stays conscious after 5 full blown lightning strikes from the gods by Captain Marvel's "Shazam", and still gets up with the strength to challenge Billy afterwards, and eventually beat him. This shows KC Superman has better invulnerability to magic than regular Superman from New-Earth or Earth-1. New-Earth (Pre-52) Superman would've been KO'd by one or two of those strikes. Also, WM Thor likes to brawl and won't spam lightning like in these scans. This gives Supes an advantage to take Thor out before he decides to use his lighting. Also, as seen by the scan posted above, New Earth Superman bled from a single elbow from Herakles, but KC Superman didn't even flinch. This shows his greater durability.

#17 Posted by Dratini1331 (6398 posts) - - Show Bio

@retconcrisis: I had been looking for that Scan. KC is one of my favorite graphic novels XD

#18 Posted by RetconCrisis (3249 posts) - - Show Bio

@dratini1331: It's one of my favorite graphic novels by far. It not only had great action and art, but also had good emotion.

#19 Posted by SirMethos (1269 posts) - - Show Bio

KC Superman has this pretty handily.

While WM Thor might arguably be more powerful, he has 1 huge disadvantage that puts the odds squarely in KC Superman's favor.

When he is in the Warrior Madness, he is purely a berserker. He will not be using any of his more esoteric powers. He will not be using his quite considerable close combat skill or experience. He will not be fighting intelligently.

KC Superman on the other hand, is an experienced hero, with a ton of fights behind him. He is intelligent enough to deal with a raw brawler, even one that might outmatch him in pure physical power.

#20 Posted by czarny_samael666 (16629 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666 said:

P.S. Wasn't NE Superman injured above, because of his weakness to magic?

There's no proof that Hercules used any magic on Superman, he just punched him.

Wasn't that the story when Supergirl got bleed by Artemis arrows just becasue magic was present there?

Superman survives and stays conscious after 5 full blown lightning strikes from the gods by Captain Marvel's "Shazam", and still gets up with the strength to challenge Billy afterwards, and eventually beat him. This shows KC Superman has better invulnerability to magic than regular Superman from New-Earth or Earth-1. New-Earth (Pre-52) Superman would've been KO'd by one or two of those strikes. Also, WM Thor likes to brawl and won't spam lightning like in these scans. This gives Supes an advantage to take Thor out before he decides to use his lighting. Also, as seen by the scan posted above, New Earth Superman bled from a single elbow from Herakles, but KC Superman didn't even flinch. This shows his greater durability.

1.Thor's lightnings has better feats than Cap Marvel's

2.Lightnings are Thor's fauvorite attack after throwing Mjolnir.

3.Superman's durability isn't something that would give WM Thor (or any not-holding-back Thor) problems. Just because KC Superman is more durable, doesn't mean that he can take WM Thor's full strikes.

KC Superman has this pretty handily.

While WM Thor might arguably be more powerful, he has 1 huge disadvantage that puts the odds squarely in KC Superman's favor.

When he is in the Warrior Madness, he is purely a berserker. He will not be using any of his more esoteric powers. He will not be using his quite considerable close combat skill or experience. He will not be fighting intelligently.

KC Superman on the other hand, is an experienced hero, with a ton of fights behind him. He is intelligent enough to deal with a raw brawler, even one that might outmatch him in pure physical power.

You could be right, if KC Superman ever defeated someone as powerfull and strong as WM Thor.

#21 Edited by dorukesin (3727 posts) - - Show Bio
@retconcrisis said:

Superman survives and stays conscious after 5 full blown lightning strikes from the gods by Captain Marvel's "Shazam", and still gets up with the strength to challenge Billy afterwards, and eventually beat him. This shows KC Superman has better invulnerability to magic than regular Superman from New-Earth or Earth-1. New-Earth (Pre-52) Superman would've been KO'd by one or two of those strikes. Also, WM Thor likes to brawl and won't spam lightning like in these scans. This gives Supes an advantage to take Thor out before he decides to use his lighting. Also, as seen by the scan posted above, New Earth Superman bled from a single elbow from Herakles, but KC Superman didn't even flinch. This shows his greater durability.

fair enough,respected.

@czarny_samael666 said:

@retconcrisis said:

Superman survives and stays conscious after 5 full blown lightning strikes from the gods by Captain Marvel's "Shazam", and still gets up with the strength to challenge Billy afterwards, and eventually beat him. This shows KC Superman has better invulnerability to magic than regular Superman from New-Earth or Earth-1. New-Earth (Pre-52) Superman would've been KO'd by one or two of those strikes. Also, WM Thor likes to brawl and won't spam lightning like in these scans. This gives Supes an advantage to take Thor out before he decides to use his lighting. Also, as seen by the scan posted above, New Earth Superman bled from a single elbow from Herakles, but KC Superman didn't even flinch. This shows his greater durability.

1.Thor's lightnings has better feats than Cap Marvel's

2.Lightnings are Thor's fauvorite attack after throwing Mjolnir.

3.Superman's durability isn't something that would give WM Thor (or any not-holding-back Thor) problems. Just because KC Superman is more durable, doesn't mean that he can take WM Thor's full strikes.

uh no its not.Didn't Black Adam's Shazam broke Hal Jordan's Green Lantern Ring and knocked out Martian Manhunter ?

#22 Edited by dondave (26538 posts) - - Show Bio

@retconcrisis said:

Superman survives and stays conscious after 5 full blown lightning strikes from the gods by Captain Marvel's "Shazam", and still gets up with the strength to challenge Billy afterwards, and eventually beat him. This shows KC Superman has better invulnerability to magic than regular Superman from New-Earth or Earth-1. New-Earth (Pre-52) Superman would've been KO'd by one or two of those strikes. Also, WM Thor likes to brawl and won't spam lightning like in these scans. This gives Supes an advantage to take Thor out before he decides to use his lighting. Also, as seen by the scan posted above, New Earth Superman bled from a single elbow from Herakles, but KC Superman didn't even flinch. This shows his greater durability.

fair enough,respected.

@czarny_samael666 said:

@retconcrisis said:

Superman survives and stays conscious after 5 full blown lightning strikes from the gods by Captain Marvel's "Shazam", and still gets up with the strength to challenge Billy afterwards, and eventually beat him. This shows KC Superman has better invulnerability to magic than regular Superman from New-Earth or Earth-1. New-Earth (Pre-52) Superman would've been KO'd by one or two of those strikes. Also, WM Thor likes to brawl and won't spam lightning like in these scans. This gives Supes an advantage to take Thor out before he decides to use his lighting. Also, as seen by the scan posted above, New Earth Superman bled from a single elbow from Herakles, but KC Superman didn't even flinch. This shows his greater durability.

1.Thor's lightnings has better feats than Cap Marvel's

2.Lightnings are Thor's fauvorite attack after throwing Mjolnir.

3.Superman's durability isn't something that would give WM Thor (or any not-holding-back Thor) problems. Just because KC Superman is more durable, doesn't mean that he can take WM Thor's full strikes.

uh no its not.Didn't Black Adam's Shazam broke Hal Jordan's Green Lantern Ring ?

That was from a game and I as I've already told you the entire fight was fake, Hal Jordan was fine and with his ring after Brainiac showed up

#23 Edited by dorukesin (3727 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@dorukesin said:
@retconcrisis said:

Superman survives and stays conscious after 5 full blown lightning strikes from the gods by Captain Marvel's "Shazam", and still gets up with the strength to challenge Billy afterwards, and eventually beat him. This shows KC Superman has better invulnerability to magic than regular Superman from New-Earth or Earth-1. New-Earth (Pre-52) Superman would've been KO'd by one or two of those strikes. Also, WM Thor likes to brawl and won't spam lightning like in these scans. This gives Supes an advantage to take Thor out before he decides to use his lighting. Also, as seen by the scan posted above, New Earth Superman bled from a single elbow from Herakles, but KC Superman didn't even flinch. This shows his greater durability.

fair enough,respected.

@czarny_samael666 said:

@retconcrisis said:

Superman survives and stays conscious after 5 full blown lightning strikes from the gods by Captain Marvel's "Shazam", and still gets up with the strength to challenge Billy afterwards, and eventually beat him. This shows KC Superman has better invulnerability to magic than regular Superman from New-Earth or Earth-1. New-Earth (Pre-52) Superman would've been KO'd by one or two of those strikes. Also, WM Thor likes to brawl and won't spam lightning like in these scans. This gives Supes an advantage to take Thor out before he decides to use his lighting. Also, as seen by the scan posted above, New Earth Superman bled from a single elbow from Herakles, but KC Superman didn't even flinch. This shows his greater durability.

1.Thor's lightnings has better feats than Cap Marvel's

2.Lightnings are Thor's fauvorite attack after throwing Mjolnir.

3.Superman's durability isn't something that would give WM Thor (or any not-holding-back Thor) problems. Just because KC Superman is more durable, doesn't mean that he can take WM Thor's full strikes.

uh no its not.Didn't Black Adam's Shazam broke Hal Jordan's Green Lantern Ring ?

That was from a game and I as I've already told you the entire fight was fake, Hal Jordan was fine and with his ring after Brainiac showed up

fake ? so why did they do it lol :D

so didn't Black Adam's Shazam knocked out MMH ?

#24 Posted by dondave (26538 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@dorukesin said:
@retconcrisis said:

Superman survives and stays conscious after 5 full blown lightning strikes from the gods by Captain Marvel's "Shazam", and still gets up with the strength to challenge Billy afterwards, and eventually beat him. This shows KC Superman has better invulnerability to magic than regular Superman from New-Earth or Earth-1. New-Earth (Pre-52) Superman would've been KO'd by one or two of those strikes. Also, WM Thor likes to brawl and won't spam lightning like in these scans. This gives Supes an advantage to take Thor out before he decides to use his lighting. Also, as seen by the scan posted above, New Earth Superman bled from a single elbow from Herakles, but KC Superman didn't even flinch. This shows his greater durability.

fair enough,respected.

@czarny_samael666 said:

@retconcrisis said:

Superman survives and stays conscious after 5 full blown lightning strikes from the gods by Captain Marvel's "Shazam", and still gets up with the strength to challenge Billy afterwards, and eventually beat him. This shows KC Superman has better invulnerability to magic than regular Superman from New-Earth or Earth-1. New-Earth (Pre-52) Superman would've been KO'd by one or two of those strikes. Also, WM Thor likes to brawl and won't spam lightning like in these scans. This gives Supes an advantage to take Thor out before he decides to use his lighting. Also, as seen by the scan posted above, New Earth Superman bled from a single elbow from Herakles, but KC Superman didn't even flinch. This shows his greater durability.

1.Thor's lightnings has better feats than Cap Marvel's

2.Lightnings are Thor's fauvorite attack after throwing Mjolnir.

3.Superman's durability isn't something that would give WM Thor (or any not-holding-back Thor) problems. Just because KC Superman is more durable, doesn't mean that he can take WM Thor's full strikes.

uh no its not.Didn't Black Adam's Shazam broke Hal Jordan's Green Lantern Ring ?

That was from a game and I as I've already told you the entire fight was fake, Hal Jordan was fine and with his ring after Brainiac showed up

fake ? so why did they do it lol :D

so didn't Black Adam's Shazam knocked out MMH ?

So Brainiac would think everyone was dead.

#25 Edited by dorukesin (3727 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

fake ? so why did they do it lol :D

so didn't Black Adam's Shazam knocked out MMH ?

So Brainiac would think everyone was dead.

http://dcuniverseonline.wikia.com/wiki/Green_Lantern_(Hal_Jordan)

it wasn't faked,its an alternate future,

In the alternate future, while Superman is recharging at the Earth's sun, Hal, along with Wonder Woman, Cyborg, Batman, and Flash are fighting off Lex Luthor, Circe, Deathstroke, the Joker, Harley Quinn, Giganta, Metallo, and Black Adam. Green Lantern first appears when Giganta is hit in the face with a green blast, presumably killing her. Green Lantern is seen, but is then taunted by Black Adam, who flies away with Hal on his tail. Later on, Green Lantern flies into the ground, and is then seen picking up an unconscious Black Adam, only to send him flying into a broken wall. Soon after, it seems Black Adam is gaining the upper hand, destroying every shield Hal puts up to defend himself, finally, he tackles Hal and grabs his ring hand. While Black Adam is holding down Hal's hand, it becomes a battle of willpower instead of strength, by the looks of it, Black Adam is about to win. Flash tries to save Green Lantern, only to die with Hal when Black Adam shouts "Shazam" and the lightning bolt hits Green Lantern's ring which causes a huge explosion, blowing everyone away. Hal's ring is seen, after the explosion, broken with no owner.

So Black Adam's Shazam is powerfull enough to do it

#26 Posted by czarny_samael666 (16629 posts) - - Show Bio

@dorukesin:

1.This Cap's Marvel? I doubt it.

2.Martian's energy-durability <<<<<<< Surfer's. Similar with constructs durability.

#27 Edited by dorukesin (3727 posts) - - Show Bio
#28 Edited by Mxyzptlk_CV (901 posts) - - Show Bio

@themagicstik said:

KC Superman is nearly featless but based on implied strength he is stronger and more durable than Superman who also beats Thor so KC Superman.

KC Superman wins this.

#29 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

based on feats Thor wins handily....but based on implied power KC Superman stomps....do with that, what you will

#30 Edited by czarny_samael666 (16629 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666: Thats Black Adam but Adam's Shazam Shout = Cap's Shazam Shout

But this isn't New Earth Cap and that is my point. Still, Thor's lightnings are better than either.

@sog7dc said:

based on feats Thor wins handily....but based on implied power KC Superman stomps....do with that, what you will

Because he is above Superman? Supeman's durability nor strength isn't on Thor's level, let alone WM Thor.

#31 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@dorukesin said:

@czarny_samael666: Thats Black Adam but Adam's Shazam Shout = Cap's Shazam Shout

But this isn't New Earth Cap and that is my point. Still, Thor's lightnings are better than either.

@sog7dc said:

based on feats Thor wins handily....but based on implied power KC Superman stomps....do with that, what you will

Because he is above Superman? Supeman's durability nor strength isn't on Thor's level, let alone WM Thor.

riiiigggghhhhtttt

#32 Edited by dorukesin (3727 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666 said:

@dorukesin said:

@czarny_samael666: Thats Black Adam but Adam's Shazam Shout = Cap's Shazam Shout

But this isn't New Earth Cap and that is my point. Still, Thor's lightnings are better than either.

Thor's lightnings are only better than Nu52 Billy(we don't see a feat about his lightnings yet)

#33 Posted by dorukesin (3727 posts) - - Show Bio

Because he is above Superman? Supeman's durability nor strength isn't on Thor's level, let alone WM Thor.

are you ok ?

#34 Edited by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman survives and stays conscious after 5 full blown lightning strikes from the gods by Captain Marvel's "Shazam", and still gets up with the strength to challenge Billy afterwards, and eventually beat him. This shows KC Superman has better invulnerability to magic than regular Superman from New-Earth or Earth-1. New-Earth (Pre-52) Superman would've been KO'd by one or two of those strikes. Also, WM Thor likes to brawl and won't spam lightning like in these scans. This gives Supes an advantage to take Thor out before he decides to use his lighting. Also, as seen by the scan posted above, New Earth Superman bled from a single elbow from Herakles, but KC Superman didn't even flinch. This shows his greater durability.

KC Superman, as I recall, was still weak to magic

that being said, KC SUperman still seems to have a massive advantage in combat speed

#35 Posted by DeathandGrim (1928 posts) - - Show Bio

@dorukesin said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

@pooty: @willpayton:

P.S. Wasn't NE Superman injured above, because of his weakness to magic?

magic can penetrate his invulnerability.But it can't kill him

superman never killed by magic in comics

KO is enough, going by what You say, did it affect him in scan above (in fight with Herc)?

Tanking 4 Shazam bolts in Kingdom Come without so much as a scratch and still had enough strength to grip Billy's mouth shut without problem

#36 Posted by czarny_samael666 (16629 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

@dorukesin said:

@czarny_samael666: Thats Black Adam but Adam's Shazam Shout = Cap's Shazam Shout

But this isn't New Earth Cap and that is my point. Still, Thor's lightnings are better than either.

@sog7dc said:

based on feats Thor wins handily....but based on implied power KC Superman stomps....do with that, what you will

Because he is above Superman? Supeman's durability nor strength isn't on Thor's level, let alone WM Thor.

riiiigggghhhhtttt

Yes, Thor has planet level strength and fought with dozen of people with planet level strength. Superman at best could destroy moon and KO himself during the process. And it is his best feat.

@czarny_samael666 said:

@dorukesin said:

@czarny_samael666: Thats Black Adam but Adam's Shazam Shout = Cap's Shazam Shout

But this isn't New Earth Cap and that is my point. Still, Thor's lightnings are better than either.

Thor's lightnings are only better than Nu52 Billy(we don't see a feat about his lightnings yet)

They are better than anything I've seen from Billy or Adam.

@czarny_samael666 said:

Because he is above Superman? Supeman's durability nor strength isn't on Thor's level, let alone WM Thor.

are you ok ?

Yes, I am ok. Thor and his enemies have better feats than Superman and his.

#37 Edited by dorukesin (3727 posts) - - Show Bio
@czarny_samael666 said:

Yes, Thor has planet level strength and fought with dozen of people with planet level strength. Superman at best could destroy moon and KO himself during the process. And it is his best feat.

he knocked out because he just wants to stay under the speed of light when he Infinite Mass Punched that moon.

also its not Kingdom Come Superman

@czarny_samael666 said:

They are better than anything I've seen from Billy or Adam.

no they aren't.

Teth's Shazam can break a Lantern Ring man thought

#38 Posted by czarny_samael666 (16629 posts) - - Show Bio

@dorukesin:

1.It is his best feat, not low showing or something. And moon's destruction was enough to put him down. Thor has planet level strength and won with many planet-level characters before: Gladiator, Hyperion, Surfer, Beta Ray Bill, Savage Hulk, Hercules (I have scans of them destroying a planet or narrator's words that used enough strength to do so)... They all have planet level feats. Superman doesn't.

2.Breaking ring's construct isn't that impressive, it was done before and after that. For sure not even near koing Surfer and Alter Ego. Or even Hulk. Thor's stroms can charge his hammer to shot planet-level beams. His storms already stopped a beam that was going to destroy planets (right to left, right to left, left to right).

Taking out: Surfer, Super Skrull, Prime, Hulk, shooting planet level beam and prove that his lightning can be felt even in heart of sun:

3.KC Superman doesn't have better showing in energy-durability than Surfer, so thor can KO him with a lightning.

#39 Edited by dorukesin (3727 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666 said:

@dorukesin:

1.It is his best feat, not low showing or something. And moon's destruction was enough to put him down. Thor has planet level strength and won with many planet-level characters before: Gladiator, Hyperion, Surfer, Beta Ray Bill, Savage Hulk, Hercules (I have scans of them destroying a planet or narrator's words that used enough strength to do so)... They all have planet level feats. Superman doesn't.

2.Breaking ring's construct isn't that impressive, it was done before and after that. For sure not even near koing Surfer and Alter Ego. Or even Hulk. Thor's stroms can charge his hammer to shot planet-level beams. His storms already stopped a beam that was going to destroy planets (right to left, right to left, left to right).

Taking out: Surfer, Super Skrull, Prime, Hulk, shooting planet level beam and prove that his lightning can be felt even in heart of sun:

3.KC Superman doesn't have better showing in energy-durability than Surfer, so thor can KO him with a lightning.

your feats are all mixed

so i use 1 silver age superman feat and finish it in picosecond ?

#40 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio
#41 Edited by DeathandGrim (1928 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666 said:

@sog7dc said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

@dorukesin said:

@czarny_samael666: Thats Black Adam but Adam's Shazam Shout = Cap's Shazam Shout

But this isn't New Earth Cap and that is my point. Still, Thor's lightnings are better than either.

@sog7dc said:

based on feats Thor wins handily....but based on implied power KC Superman stomps....do with that, what you will

Because he is above Superman? Supeman's durability nor strength isn't on Thor's level, let alone WM Thor.

riiiigggghhhhtttt

Yes, Thor has planet level strength and fought with dozen of people with planet level strength. Superman at best could destroy moon and KO himself during the process. And it is his best feat.

Hold on there Kipper. Planetary level strength is definitely within Superman's realm, theoretically. There's plenty of reasons why he hasn't destroyed a planet yet and probably never will.

  • (The most important reason) He's Superman, he's trying to save lives no end them, which is what destroying planets generally does.
  • Marvel Planets are made out of Polystyrene and Popsicle sticks compared to DC planets
  • Superman is holding back, like always, because he has control over himself so he doesn't destroy the planet.
#42 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio
#43 Edited by czarny_samael666 (16629 posts) - - Show Bio

@dorukesin:

Mixed? This is all normal Thor without power ups. SA Superman isn't similar to KC Superman, current Superman or pre-New 52 Superman. Thor has all feats he ever done in 616 and I am not using ones from different versions. SA Superman's feats are irrelevant.

If You will prove that KC Superman has picosecond reaction speed, then he will win. Until that - normal Thor wins it with his lightnings.

@deathandgrim:

Excusess - nothing more. Hyperion and Hercules didn't have to destroy planets to show plnaet level strength. Even current Superman didn't have to destroy planet to show that kind of strength.

@sog7dc said:

@czarny_samael666: you're delusional if you actually believe that

I am beliving facts. Feats are saying that Marvel powerhouses > DC Pre-52 powerhouses. Marvel ones have planet level power, while DC ones doesn't. People aren't looking on facts, they just want to belive that character from their fauvorite company has to be better than someone who has similar role in the other ones (Superman/Thor, Atom/Surfer, Flash/Quicksilver). Like Marvel fans, who want to belive that Quicksilver can actually win with Flash. He can't, Flash has other powers, more than just prove of running fast, but also proves for high level reflex, etc. Similar with Superman and Thor. Superman is moon level at his best. Thor is easily (since he don't need to KO himself) planet level with his powers and strength.

To this moment, Superman supporters came here with excusess and personal attacks, I have shown feats and scans. Don't make it personal, these are just comics after all...

#44 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666: you're entire argument is based on a character not doing something he would never under any circumstances do......and hen kal-l and kal-el fought they broke reality so....yeah don't lowball

#45 Posted by DeathandGrim (1928 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathandgrim:

Excusess - nothing more. Hyperion and Hercules didn't have to destroy planets to show plnaet level strength. Even current Superman didn't have to destroy planet to show that kind of strength.

Please enlighten me. How do you show planet level strength?

#46 Posted by czarny_samael666 (16629 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@czarny_samael666: you're entire argument is based on a character not doing something he would never under any circumstances do......and hen kal-l and kal-el fought they broke reality so....yeah don't lowball

They didn't break reality, it was already breaking before their fight. Plus it is completly unmeasurable. Hulk punched time-barrier currently.

It is Superman's problem, not his opponents. You have to prove that he can do it, not me that he can't.

@czarny_samael666 said:
@deathandgrim:

Excusess - nothing more. Hyperion and Hercules didn't have to destroy planets to show plnaet level strength. Even current Superman didn't have to destroy planet to show that kind of strength.

Please enlighten me. How do you show planet level strength?

For example in way New52 Superman already did. You know that scan, right? When he is benching Earth for 5 days (feat of strength and stamina)

#47 Edited by GhostRavage (7555 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol at people using DCUO videogame trailer as a source of feats. It was a game, and Lex Luthor was showing what WOULD happen if they started killing each other instead of preparing themselves to fight incoming Brainiac... That being said, it is NOT CANON, and it was something that DIDN'T EVEN HAPPENED IN A NON-CANON story because it was a hypothetical scenario, it was avoided the moment Lex contacted WW, Superman and Bats.

#48 Posted by DeathandGrim (1928 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathandgrim said:

@czarny_samael666 said:
@deathandgrim:

Excusess - nothing more. Hyperion and Hercules didn't have to destroy planets to show plnaet level strength. Even current Superman didn't have to destroy planet to show that kind of strength.

Please enlighten me. How do you show planet level strength?

For example in way New52 Superman already did. You know that scan, right? When he is benching Earth for 5 days (feat of strength and stamina)

Well that was Supes with an average day's sunlight at first and then inside the core of the Earth completely away from it for 5 days. And he showed no signs of being truly exhausted.

Now take 10 years worth of soaking up sun and never truly using it and letting it build up. He's far far beyond that. It's all realm of speculation because KC Supes appears very few times, so speculation is all you can do in this battle. Otherwise it's pointless.

#49 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@czarny_samael666: you're entire argument is based on a character not doing something he would never under any circumstances do......and hen kal-l and kal-el fought they broke reality so....yeah don't lowball

They didn't break reality, it was already breaking before their fight. Plus it is completly unmeasurable. Hulk punched time-barrier currently.

It is Superman's problem, not his opponents. You have to prove that he can do it, not me that he can't.

@deathandgrim said:

@czarny_samael666 said:
@deathandgrim:

Excusess - nothing more. Hyperion and Hercules didn't have to destroy planets to show plnaet level strength. Even current Superman didn't have to destroy planet to show that kind of strength.

Please enlighten me. How do you show planet level strength?

For example in way New52 Superman already did. You know that scan, right? When he is benching Earth for 5 days (feat of strength and stamina)

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/9/96192/1683661-019kl.jpg- "The struggle between us shatter the boundaries of space and time...."

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/96192/1683660-47358461jr8.jpg- "So it continues...with a blow that shatters the world."

Still want to lowball?

#50 Posted by czarny_samael666 (16629 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666 said:

@deathandgrim said:

@czarny_samael666 said:
@deathandgrim:

Excusess - nothing more. Hyperion and Hercules didn't have to destroy planets to show plnaet level strength. Even current Superman didn't have to destroy planet to show that kind of strength.

Please enlighten me. How do you show planet level strength?

For example in way New52 Superman already did. You know that scan, right? When he is benching Earth for 5 days (feat of strength and stamina)

Well that was Supes with an average day's sunlight at first and then inside the core of the Earth completely away from it for 5 days. And he showed no signs of being truly exhausted.

Now take 10 years worth of soaking up sun and never truly using it and letting it build up. He's far far beyond that. It's all realm of speculation because KC Supes appears very few times, so speculation is all you can do in this battle. Otherwise it's pointless.

This is different Superman, his feats has nothing to do with KC Superman or Pre-New Superman,

@sog7dc said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

@sog7dc said:

@czarny_samael666: you're entire argument is based on a character not doing something he would never under any circumstances do......and hen kal-l and kal-el fought they broke reality so....yeah don't lowball

They didn't break reality, it was already breaking before their fight. Plus it is completly unmeasurable. Hulk punched time-barrier currently.

It is Superman's problem, not his opponents. You have to prove that he can do it, not me that he can't.

@deathandgrim said:

@czarny_samael666 said:
@deathandgrim:

Excusess - nothing more. Hyperion and Hercules didn't have to destroy planets to show plnaet level strength. Even current Superman didn't have to destroy planet to show that kind of strength.

Please enlighten me. How do you show planet level strength?

For example in way New52 Superman already did. You know that scan, right? When he is benching Earth for 5 days (feat of strength and stamina)

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/9/96192/1683661-019kl.jpg- "The struggle between us shatter the boundaries of space and time...."

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/96192/1683660-47358461jr8.jpg- "So it continues...with a blow that shatters the world."

Still want to lowball?

Did You read the comic? Earth 2 was already falling up and these two fought in Metropolis-2 and no planet was destroyed during thier battle. They didn't destroy anything nor shown anything in this battle.