KC Superman and Superman run the mini gaunlet.

1. Supergirl and Power-Girl 
2. World Breaker Hulk and Rulk (No Loeb Force) 
3. Kal-L and Barry Allen 
4. Superboy, Raven, Starfire, Skaar, and Red Tornado 
5. Wally West and Silver Surfer
 
Morals on 
BFR allowed 
No prep 
Un populated city 
 
Sorta a mini gaunlet.

stop at 3 or at 5

stop at 3 or at 5

Btw, this is Infinite Crisis Kal-L.

1. Supergirl and Power-Girl 2. World Breaker Hulk and Rulk (No Loeb Force) 3. Kal-L and Barry Allen 4. Superboy, Raven, Starfire, Skaar, and Red Tornado 5. Wally West and Silver Surfer Morals on BFR allowed No prep Un populated city  Sorta a mini gaunlet.

stop at 3 or at 5

stop at 3 or at 5

stops at 5

With moral on, the flashes get beat.
However, I think Silver Surfer can still beat them. In morals he isnt above blocking sun radiation and then draining or simply TP blasting.

Surfer and Flash stop him and easily since BFR is allowed...

@supermandefender: Infinite Crisis Kal-L was around New Earth Superman, maybe higher. Other versions are higher. They get 2 days break.

kingdom come supes is pretty powerful

The two Men of Steel clear this mini-gauntlet.

@comicdude23 said:

@PikminMania: Kal-L (INFINITE CRISIS VERSION) is around, or when serious, above Current Superman. But I wouldn't say his strength is above KC Superman.

Not, above New Earth Supes, equal to him for sure though.  When they fought during Infinite Crisis, they literally traded punches back and fourth through the fight. And he was serious in that encounter, as he believed New Earth Kal-El was responsible for bringing his "corruption" there resulting in Lois's death, and they fought evenly until Wonder Woman separates them, so we should assume he is equal to New Earth Supes.

@baron2011: No, he didn't they go back and fourth in the battle until wonder woman separates them. Kal-L's blows were never close to killing him, he hits him with car, right after which Kal-El responds by punching him square on the chin, Kal-L then hits him with the remains of the car,causing new earth supes to wipe his chin. It cuts away, then it has them flying at each other, and New Earth Supes punching Kal-L, Kal-L flys at New Earth and then is lassoed by wonder woman and they talk.  He most certainly never comes close to killing him, I'll gladly make scans if I need to, I have the book right here.

@comicdude23 said:

@supermandefender: Infinite Crisis Kal-L was around New Earth Superman, maybe higher. Other versions are higher. They get 2 days break.

Not, above New Earth Supes, equal to him for sure though.  When they fought during Infinite Crisis, they literally traded punches back and fourth through the fight. And he was serious in that encounter, as he believed New Earth Kal-El was responsible for bringing his "corruption" there resulting in Lois's death, and they fought evenly until Wonder Woman separates them, so we should assume he is equal to New Earth Supes.

@baron2011: No. Current Superman hit him about the same times Kal-L did. Not one.

Yes the fight between the two supermen only lasts 3 pages in total, and as for doomsday your implying the punch puts him down, he's up fighting in just seconds, and Kal-L doesn't push it up he blocks it then delivers a knee.

@comicdude23: I know I just looked at it,  all it shows is Doomsday punched him(which can be argued it's because New Earth supes was the closest and attacked first, and Kal-L had the advantage of being prepared)  he's up punching him with Kal-L in under seconds,which is likely considering speed and reflexes of all three fighters)

@comicdude23: Hardly unlikey he threw the punches at the same time, but it can't be proven either way since it's an illustration.But that's hardly evidence one way or another, like I said they battled evenly on Earth 2, with Kal-L trying to kill him, and Kal-El originally coming just to help.

@comicdude23: Super human reaction time and superhuman reflexes, they are still faster then doomsday. A second can easily be a long time, as I mentioned poor excuse to gauge that as making him stronger, when they had a battle which was completely even.

They stop at 3.

@TheBatman586: ...How?

@comicdude23 said:

@TheBatman586: ...How?

Kal-L is probably around KC Superman's level of strength, speed, durability, etc., so that's a fairly even match. Barry Allen could defeat Superman in a multitude of ways, such as stealing his speed, vibrating his hand through his skull, using an Infinite Mass Punch, pulling him into the Speed Force, etc. Once Superman's done for, he helps out Kal-L to defeat KC Superman. If the 2 Supermen somehow got past this round, they would definitely be defeated in round 5.

@baron2011: You mean that story where they hit each other and feel each others lives? Which is NON CANON. And read Infinite Crisis #5 again. They hit each other around the same amount of times.

@comicdude23 said:

@baron2011: You mean that story where they hit each other and feel each others lives? Which is NON CANON. And read Infinite Crisis #5 again. They hit each other around the same amount of times.

That was a separate story in the infinite crisis where that happened. Its def. cannon as much as Day of Vengences or any other spin preludes or spin offs of the infinite crisis are canon. As long as its main part of the main story its fine.

@comicdude23 said:

@supermandefender said:

@comicdude23 said:

@baron2011: You mean that story where they hit each other and feel each others lives? Which is NON CANON. And read Infinite Crisis #5 again. They hit each other around the same amount of times.

That was a separate story in the infinite crisis where that happened. Its def. cannon as much as Day of Vengences or any other spin preludes or spin offs of the infinite crisis are canon. As long as its main part of the main story its fine.

It wasn't canon, read Infinite Crisis #5. I you read #5 of Infinite Crisis you will see that the ENTIRE fight scene of that fight never happened.

Its canon. Read that. Superman had its own comic tie in based off the 5 issue in the infinite crisis. Thats where it happened. Its canon.

http://collectededitions.blogspot.com/2007/05/superman-infinite-crisis-trade.html

@supermandefender said:

@comicdude23 said:

@supermandefender said:

@comicdude23 said:

@baron2011: You mean that story where they hit each other and feel each others lives? Which is NON CANON. And read Infinite Crisis #5 again. They hit each other around the same amount of times.

That was a separate story in the infinite crisis where that happened. Its def. cannon as much as Day of Vengences or any other spin preludes or spin offs of the infinite crisis are canon. As long as its main part of the main story its fine.

It wasn't canon, read Infinite Crisis #5. I you read #5 of Infinite Crisis you will see that the ENTIRE fight scene of that fight never happened.

Its canon. Read that. Superman had its own comic tie in based off the 5 issue in the infinite crisis. Thats where it happened. Its canon.

http://collectededitions.blogspot.com/2007/05/superman-infinite-crisis-trade.html

LOL. This link says it was a WHAT IF story and imaginary, strongly implying it's not canon. And it was BASED off Infinite Crisis #5, read it. Those pages never appeared in the actually event.

@comicdude23 said:

@supermandefender said:

@comicdude23 said:

@supermandefender said:

@comicdude23 said:

@baron2011: You mean that story where they hit each other and feel each others lives? Which is NON CANON. And read Infinite Crisis #5 again. They hit each other around the same amount of times.

That was a separate story in the infinite crisis where that happened. Its def. cannon as much as Day of Vengences or any other spin preludes or spin offs of the infinite crisis are canon. As long as its main part of the main story its fine.

It wasn't canon, read Infinite Crisis #5. I you read #5 of Infinite Crisis you will see that the ENTIRE fight scene of that fight never happened.

Its canon. Read that. Superman had its own comic tie in based off the 5 issue in the infinite crisis. Thats where it happened. Its canon.

http://collectededitions.blogspot.com/2007/05/superman-infinite-crisis-trade.html

LOL. This link says it was a WHAT IF story and imaginary, strongly implying it's not canon. And it was BASED off Infinite Crisis #5, read it. Those pages never appeared in the actually event.

Did you read actually read the issue???? Or are you quoting the page? Before you laugh..... read the issue O_O;. It takes place during infinite crisis number 5 during the fight between both Supermen, after there fist collide the 2 Supermen shatter reality creating a pardox or something i forget what exactly but Superman from earth 2 lives Superman from earth 1s life. It is a what if story but that doesnt mean its out of continuity. Its basically about how a older day Superman would deal with a the Current Supermans problems likes Doomsday and what happened in Identity Crisis. But it happened because of the 2 Superman fighting. I do remember that.

@supermandefender said:

@comicdude23 said:

@supermandefender said:

@comicdude23 said:

@supermandefender said:

@comicdude23 said:

@baron2011: You mean that story where they hit each other and feel each others lives? Which is NON CANON. And read Infinite Crisis #5 again. They hit each other around the same amount of times.

That was a separate story in the infinite crisis where that happened. Its def. cannon as much as Day of Vengences or any other spin preludes or spin offs of the infinite crisis are canon. As long as its main part of the main story its fine.

It wasn't canon, read Infinite Crisis #5. I you read #5 of Infinite Crisis you will see that the ENTIRE fight scene of that fight never happened.

Its canon. Read that. Superman had its own comic tie in based off the 5 issue in the infinite crisis. Thats where it happened. Its canon.

http://collectededitions.blogspot.com/2007/05/superman-infinite-crisis-trade.html

LOL. This link says it was a WHAT IF story and imaginary, strongly implying it's not canon. And it was BASED off Infinite Crisis #5, read it. Those pages never appeared in the actually event.

Did you read actually read the issue???? Or are you quoting the page? Before you laugh..... read the issue O_O;. It takes place during infinite crisis number 5 during the fight between both Supermen, after there fist collide the 2 Supermen shatter reality creating a pardox or something i forget what exactly but Superman from earth 2 lives Superman from earth 1s life. It is a what if story but that doesnt mean its out of continuity. Its basically about how a older day Superman would deal with a the Current Supermans problems likes Doomsday and what happened in Identity Crisis. But it happened because of the 2 Superman fighting. I do remember that.

Yes, I've read it and have it in front of me. And on top of that none of this post makes sense.

I can't post scans of the fight because my printer doesn't work but I will search for them. This is straight from the book.

• The first attack is Kal-L smashes a car onto Kal-El.
• Then Kal-El moves forward and punches Kal-L.
• Then Kal-L punches Kal-El and sends him back.
• Kal-El is wiping his mouth and Kal-L screams '''You took her from me!''.
• Then we Kal-L throwing an uppercut at Kal-El.
• Then Kal-El punches Kal-El.
• Then Kal-L grabs Kal-El and flies downwards and pushes him down.
• Then as Kal-L is about to throw another attack at Kal-El, Wonder Woman restrains him and stops him.

Superman: Infinite Crisis (The story where Kal-El and Kal-L fight so each other lives their lives) is a mash up from Infinite Crisis: Secret Files and Origins, Infinite Crisis #5, Superman #226, Action Comics #836 and Adventures of Superman #649.

In the pages of Infinite Crisis #5, none of those pages appear. Yes, in the story they both did punch each other and feel their lives, but the story was BASED off the fight and was an imaginary story.

It didn't happen because they were both fighting, that doesn't make sense, it's a what if story.

@comicdude23 said:

@supermandefender said:

@comicdude23 said:

@supermandefender said:

@comicdude23 said:

@supermandefender said:

@comicdude23 said:

@baron2011: You mean that story where they hit each other and feel each others lives? Which is NON CANON. And read Infinite Crisis #5 again. They hit each other around the same amount of times.

That was a separate story in the infinite crisis where that happened. Its def. cannon as much as Day of Vengences or any other spin preludes or spin offs of the infinite crisis are canon. As long as its main part of the main story its fine.

It wasn't canon, read Infinite Crisis #5. I you read #5 of Infinite Crisis you will see that the ENTIRE fight scene of that fight never happened.

Its canon. Read that. Superman had its own comic tie in based off the 5 issue in the infinite crisis. Thats where it happened. Its canon.

http://collectededitions.blogspot.com/2007/05/superman-infinite-crisis-trade.html

LOL. This link says it was a WHAT IF story and imaginary, strongly implying it's not canon. And it was BASED off Infinite Crisis #5, read it. Those pages never appeared in the actually event.

Did you read actually read the issue???? Or are you quoting the page? Before you laugh..... read the issue O_O;. It takes place during infinite crisis number 5 during the fight between both Supermen, after there fist collide the 2 Supermen shatter reality creating a pardox or something i forget what exactly but Superman from earth 2 lives Superman from earth 1s life. It is a what if story but that doesnt mean its out of continuity. Its basically about how a older day Superman would deal with a the Current Supermans problems likes Doomsday and what happened in Identity Crisis. But it happened because of the 2 Superman fighting. I do remember that.

Yes, I've read it and have it in front of me. And on top of that none of this post makes sense.

I can't post scans of the fight because my printer doesn't work but I will search for them. This is straight from the book.

• The first attack is Kal-L smashes a car onto Kal-El.
• Then Kal-El moves forward and punches Kal-L.
• Then Kal-L punches Kal-El and sends him back.
• Kal-El is wiping his mouth and Kal-L screams '''You took her from me!''.
• Then we Kal-L throwing an uppercut at Kal-El.
• Then Kal-El punches Kal-El.
• Then Kal-L grabs Kal-El and flies downwards and pushes him down.
• Then as Kal-L is about to throw another attack at Kal-El, Wonder Woman restrains him and stops him.

Superman: Infinite Crisis (The story where Kal-El and Kal-L fight so each other lives their lives) is a mash up from Infinite Crisis: Secret Files and Origins, Infinite Crisis #5, Superman #226, Action Comics #836 and Adventures of Superman #649.

In the pages of Infinite Crisis #5, none of those pages appear. Yes, in the story they both did punch each other and feel their lives, but the story was BASED off the fight and was an imaginary story.

It didn't happen because they were both fighting, that doesn't make sense, it's a what if story.

Exactly! You just said Superman 226 right? That takes place during the Infinite Crisis number 5. Both Supermen are fighting in that issue and there reliving there life. Its the last Superman issue before 1 year later. And it makes perfect sense. In Superman issue 226 Superman from earth 1 and earth 2 are punching each other and shattering reality itself. Its takes them back and has them relive there life.

stop at 3 or at 5

@supermandefender said:

@comicdude23 said:

@supermandefender said:

@comicdude23 said:

@supermandefender said:

@comicdude23 said:

@supermandefender said:

@comicdude23 said:

@baron2011: You mean that story where they hit each other and feel each others lives? Which is NON CANON. And read Infinite Crisis #5 again. They hit each other around the same amount of times.

That was a separate story in the infinite crisis where that happened. Its def. cannon as much as Day of Vengences or any other spin preludes or spin offs of the infinite crisis are canon. As long as its main part of the main story its fine.

It wasn't canon, read Infinite Crisis #5. I you read #5 of Infinite Crisis you will see that the ENTIRE fight scene of that fight never happened.

Its canon. Read that. Superman had its own comic tie in based off the 5 issue in the infinite crisis. Thats where it happened. Its canon.

http://collectededitions.blogspot.com/2007/05/superman-infinite-crisis-trade.html

LOL. This link says it was a WHAT IF story and imaginary, strongly implying it's not canon. And it was BASED off Infinite Crisis #5, read it. Those pages never appeared in the actually event.

Did you read actually read the issue???? Or are you quoting the page? Before you laugh..... read the issue O_O;. It takes place during infinite crisis number 5 during the fight between both Supermen, after there fist collide the 2 Supermen shatter reality creating a pardox or something i forget what exactly but Superman from earth 2 lives Superman from earth 1s life. It is a what if story but that doesnt mean its out of continuity. Its basically about how a older day Superman would deal with a the Current Supermans problems likes Doomsday and what happened in Identity Crisis. But it happened because of the 2 Superman fighting. I do remember that.

Yes, I've read it and have it in front of me. And on top of that none of this post makes sense.

I can't post scans of the fight because my printer doesn't work but I will search for them. This is straight from the book.

• The first attack is Kal-L smashes a car onto Kal-El.
• Then Kal-El moves forward and punches Kal-L.
• Then Kal-L punches Kal-El and sends him back.
• Kal-El is wiping his mouth and Kal-L screams '''You took her from me!''.
• Then we Kal-L throwing an uppercut at Kal-El.
• Then Kal-El punches Kal-El.
• Then Kal-L grabs Kal-El and flies downwards and pushes him down.
• Then as Kal-L is about to throw another attack at Kal-El, Wonder Woman restrains him and stops him.

Superman: Infinite Crisis (The story where Kal-El and Kal-L fight so each other lives their lives) is a mash up from Infinite Crisis: Secret Files and Origins, Infinite Crisis #5, Superman #226, Action Comics #836 and Adventures of Superman #649.

In the pages of Infinite Crisis #5, none of those pages appear. Yes, in the story they both did punch each other and feel their lives, but the story was BASED off the fight and was an imaginary story.

It didn't happen because they were both fighting, that doesn't make sense, it's a what if story.

Exactly! You just said Superman 226 right? That takes place during the Infinite Crisis number 5. Both Supermen are fighting in that issue and there reliving there life. Its the last Superman issue before 1 year later. And it makes perfect sense. In Superman issue 226 Superman from earth 1 and earth 2 are punching each other and shattering reality itself. Its takes them back and has them relive there life.

the only fight between Kal-L and Kal-El that is canon is their fight in infinite crisis 5

@baron2011 said:

@supermandefender said:

@comicdude23 said:

@supermandefender said:

@comicdude23 said:

@supermandefender said:

@comicdude23 said:

@supermandefender said:

@comicdude23 said:

@baron2011: You mean that story where they hit each other and feel each others lives? Which is NON CANON. And read Infinite Crisis #5 again. They hit each other around the same amount of times.

That was a separate story in the infinite crisis where that happened. Its def. cannon as much as Day of Vengences or any other spin preludes or spin offs of the infinite crisis are canon. As long as its main part of the main story its fine.

It wasn't canon, read Infinite Crisis #5. I you read #5 of Infinite Crisis you will see that the ENTIRE fight scene of that fight never happened.

Its canon. Read that. Superman had its own comic tie in based off the 5 issue in the infinite crisis. Thats where it happened. Its canon.

http://collectededitions.blogspot.com/2007/05/superman-infinite-crisis-trade.html

LOL. This link says it was a WHAT IF story and imaginary, strongly implying it's not canon. And it was BASED off Infinite Crisis #5, read it. Those pages never appeared in the actually event.

Did you read actually read the issue???? Or are you quoting the page? Before you laugh..... read the issue O_O;. It takes place during infinite crisis number 5 during the fight between both Supermen, after there fist collide the 2 Supermen shatter reality creating a pardox or something i forget what exactly but Superman from earth 2 lives Superman from earth 1s life. It is a what if story but that doesnt mean its out of continuity. Its basically about how a older day Superman would deal with a the Current Supermans problems likes Doomsday and what happened in Identity Crisis. But it happened because of the 2 Superman fighting. I do remember that.

Yes, I've read it and have it in front of me. And on top of that none of this post makes sense.

I can't post scans of the fight because my printer doesn't work but I will search for them. This is straight from the book.

• The first attack is Kal-L smashes a car onto Kal-El.
• Then Kal-El moves forward and punches Kal-L.
• Then Kal-L punches Kal-El and sends him back.
• Kal-El is wiping his mouth and Kal-L screams '''You took her from me!''.
• Then we Kal-L throwing an uppercut at Kal-El.
• Then Kal-El punches Kal-El.
• Then Kal-L grabs Kal-El and flies downwards and pushes him down.
• Then as Kal-L is about to throw another attack at Kal-El, Wonder Woman restrains him and stops him.

Superman: Infinite Crisis (The story where Kal-El and Kal-L fight so each other lives their lives) is a mash up from Infinite Crisis: Secret Files and Origins, Infinite Crisis #5, Superman #226, Action Comics #836 and Adventures of Superman #649.

In the pages of Infinite Crisis #5, none of those pages appear. Yes, in the story they both did punch each other and feel their lives, but the story was BASED off the fight and was an imaginary story.

It didn't happen because they were both fighting, that doesn't make sense, it's a what if story.

Exactly! You just said Superman 226 right? That takes place during the Infinite Crisis number 5. Both Supermen are fighting in that issue and there reliving there life. Its the last Superman issue before 1 year later. And it makes perfect sense. In Superman issue 226 Superman from earth 1 and earth 2 are punching each other and shattering reality itself. Its takes them back and has them relive there life.

the only fight between Kal-L and Kal-El that is canon is their fight in infinite crisis 5

Are you saying Superman comics are not canon? Or are you not aware that Superman fought Kal-L in Superman comics which was a crossover into the Infinite Crisis. Its a completely canon comic series in Superman comics. Now if you want to debate that Superman comics are not part of mainstream thats one thing but then you gotta say all Superman comics are not canon which would include Superman Sacrifice, Countdown to the infinite crisis and other Superman issues which are directly tied into the current stories. Like Last Stand of New Krypton or Superman Blackest night or Superman grounded. Would that all be not canon also?

Sorry it may seem like im picking a fight but im not im not sure if your just not aware of Superman issue 226 or are you just rejecting whatever you want to and dismissing things you dont like because you cant really do that. I mean do it if you want but i wont debate with logic like that. I hope u understand.