Kate Bishop vs. Huntress

Huntress FTW.  Does Kate even have noteworthy feats?  I've read all the Young Avengers books and I can't think of a single one worth mentioning.

Huntress FTW.  Does Kate even have noteworthy feats?  I've read all the Young Avengers books and I can't think of a single one worth mentioning.

Huntress.

I don't mean to undersell on her part, I am aware of her talent, I just think Huntress has more.

@Fluke-buddha said:

Huntress FTW.  Does Kate even have noteworthy feats?  I've read all the Young Avengers books and I can't think of a single one worth mentioning.

No she does not have any amazing feats but none of the YA really do outside their powerhouses. But honestly, I could be more easily swayed to the character with no feats but lots of implied skill rather than the worst Bat-family character of them all. I think Barbara could beat Huntress in her wheelchair. 

@Erik said:

@Fluke-buddha said:

Huntress FTW.  Does Kate even have noteworthy feats?  I've read all the Young Avengers books and I can't think of a single one worth mentioning.

No she does not have any amazing feats but none of the YA really do outside their powerhouses. But honestly, I could be more easily swayed to the character with no feats but lots of implied skill rather than the worst Bat-family character of them all. I think Barbara could beat Huntress in her wheelchair. 

Implied skill counts for next to nothing.  If you compare the 2 based on feats Huntress definitely wins here.  I agree though she is definitely the worst of the Bat-Family.  I prefer to think of her solely as a Bird of Prey.

I think Barbara could beat Huntress in her wheelchair.

@Erik: 

I think Barbara could beat Huntress in her wheelchair.

I think huntress has beat babs before..

@Erik: Huntress is written as very skilled when she's on the Birds and in the Batman books they make her pathetic except for No Man's Land. 

@entropy_aegis: Never read Secret Six so I can't really say anything about Catman but Canary and Huntress I think she took them where they should be. They've both had loads of training since they were kids. It only makes sense they would be skilled by now. There are plenty of characters in DC that have just appeared with a reputation and people accept it and these two get crap (Helena more-so) even though you can read them studying and learning.  Also you know how much I like Huntress and Canary so I kind of feel like you're trying to goad me into a fight or something. Just saying. 

@Pokeysteve said:

@entropy_aegis: Never read Secret Six so I can't really say anything about Catman but Canary and Huntress I think she took them where they should be. They've both had loads of training since they were kids. It only makes sense they would be skilled by now. There are plenty of characters in DC that have just appeared with a reputation and people accept it and these two get crap (Helena more-so) even though you can read them studying and learning.  Also you know how much I like Huntress and Canary so I kind of feel like you're trying to goad me into a fight or something. Just saying. 

Yes but Simone is one of those people who creates these characters that appear out of nowhere.Those Silk brothers,White Canary etc were all supposed to be Shiva level fighters. She then uses these characters to prop her own favourites,regardless Simone is completly clueless when it comes to power levels so her analysis of people's abilities is worthless.

@entropy_aegis said:

@Pokeysteve said:

@entropy_aegis: Never read Secret Six so I can't really say anything about Catman but Canary and Huntress I think she took them where they should be. They've both had loads of training since they were kids. It only makes sense they would be skilled by now. There are plenty of characters in DC that have just appeared with a reputation and people accept it and these two get crap (Helena more-so) even though you can read them studying and learning.  Also you know how much I like Huntress and Canary so I kind of feel like you're trying to goad me into a fight or something. Just saying. 

Yes but Simone is one of those people who creates these characters that appear out of nowhere.Those Silk brothers,White Canary etc were all supposed to be Shiva level fighters. She then uses these characters to prop her own favourites,regardless Simone is completly clueless when it comes to power levels so her analysis of people's abilities is worthless.

Yes that's true for the most part but the same thing goes for Kingsnake, Silver Monkey and Constantine Drakon. They have a couple feats with established characters. Why aren't their creators given a "Force" as well. Huntress and Canary have been trained and you can go read about it. The characters you and I mentioned you can't. 

@Pokeysteve said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@Pokeysteve said:

@entropy_aegis: Never read Secret Six so I can't really say anything about Catman but Canary and Huntress I think she took them where they should be. They've both had loads of training since they were kids. It only makes sense they would be skilled by now. There are plenty of characters in DC that have just appeared with a reputation and people accept it and these two get crap (Helena more-so) even though you can read them studying and learning.  Also you know how much I like Huntress and Canary so I kind of feel like you're trying to goad me into a fight or something. Just saying. 

Yes but Simone is one of those people who creates these characters that appear out of nowhere.Those Silk brothers,White Canary etc were all supposed to be Shiva level fighters. She then uses these characters to prop her own favourites,regardless Simone is completly clueless when it comes to power levels so her analysis of people's abilities is worthless.

Yes that's true for the most part but the same thing goes for Kingsnake, Silver Monkey and Constantine Drakon. They have a couple feats with established characters. Why aren't their creators given a "Force" as well. Huntress and Canary have been trained and you can go read about it. The characters you and I mentioned you can't. 

They have consistency to their feats,Dixon did'nt have Monkey using martial arts against  Batman and then telling Bronze Tiger that styles are for shit. Those writers can manage power levels,Simone can't and that's the difference.

@entropy_aegis said:

@Pokeysteve said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@Pokeysteve said:

@entropy_aegis: Never read Secret Six so I can't really say anything about Catman but Canary and Huntress I think she took them where they should be. They've both had loads of training since they were kids. It only makes sense they would be skilled by now. There are plenty of characters in DC that have just appeared with a reputation and people accept it and these two get crap (Helena more-so) even though you can read them studying and learning.  Also you know how much I like Huntress and Canary so I kind of feel like you're trying to goad me into a fight or something. Just saying. 

Yes but Simone is one of those people who creates these characters that appear out of nowhere.Those Silk brothers,White Canary etc were all supposed to be Shiva level fighters. She then uses these characters to prop her own favourites,regardless Simone is completly clueless when it comes to power levels so her analysis of people's abilities is worthless.

Yes that's true for the most part but the same thing goes for Kingsnake, Silver Monkey and Constantine Drakon. They have a couple feats with established characters. Why aren't their creators given a "Force" as well. Huntress and Canary have been trained and you can go read about it. The characters you and I mentioned you can't. 

They have consistency to their feats,Dixon did'nt have Monkey using martial arts against  Batman and then telling Bronze Tiger that styles are for shit. Those writers can manage power levels,Simone can't and that's the difference.

They don't have enough feats to judge consistency.

@Pokeysteve said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@Pokeysteve said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@Pokeysteve said:

@entropy_aegis: Never read Secret Six so I can't really say anything about Catman but Canary and Huntress I think she took them where they should be. They've both had loads of training since they were kids. It only makes sense they would be skilled by now. There are plenty of characters in DC that have just appeared with a reputation and people accept it and these two get crap (Helena more-so) even though you can read them studying and learning.  Also you know how much I like Huntress and Canary so I kind of feel like you're trying to goad me into a fight or something. Just saying. 

Yes but Simone is one of those people who creates these characters that appear out of nowhere.Those Silk brothers,White Canary etc were all supposed to be Shiva level fighters. She then uses these characters to prop her own favourites,regardless Simone is completly clueless when it comes to power levels so her analysis of people's abilities is worthless.

Yes that's true for the most part but the same thing goes for Kingsnake, Silver Monkey and Constantine Drakon. They have a couple feats with established characters. Why aren't their creators given a "Force" as well. Huntress and Canary have been trained and you can go read about it. The characters you and I mentioned you can't. 

They have consistency to their feats,Dixon did'nt have Monkey using martial arts against  Batman and then telling Bronze Tiger that styles are for shit. Those writers can manage power levels,Simone can't and that's the difference.

They don't have enough feats to judge consistency.

Do you have something which can contradict their showings? they can only have one feat and it counts as long as there is no evidence against it,the credibility of the writer in question should also be taken in to account. Simone has Catman taking out Captain Nazi,she sends the entire Secret Society,JLA,JSA,BOP,Supes family,Batfamily against the Secret Six. Really,REALLY

@entropy_aegis said:

@Pokeysteve said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@Pokeysteve said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@Pokeysteve said:

@entropy_aegis: Never read Secret Six so I can't really say anything about Catman but Canary and Huntress I think she took them where they should be. They've both had loads of training since they were kids. It only makes sense they would be skilled by now. There are plenty of characters in DC that have just appeared with a reputation and people accept it and these two get crap (Helena more-so) even though you can read them studying and learning.  Also you know how much I like Huntress and Canary so I kind of feel like you're trying to goad me into a fight or something. Just saying. 

Yes but Simone is one of those people who creates these characters that appear out of nowhere.Those Silk brothers,White Canary etc were all supposed to be Shiva level fighters. She then uses these characters to prop her own favourites,regardless Simone is completly clueless when it comes to power levels so her analysis of people's abilities is worthless.

Yes that's true for the most part but the same thing goes for Kingsnake, Silver Monkey and Constantine Drakon. They have a couple feats with established characters. Why aren't their creators given a "Force" as well. Huntress and Canary have been trained and you can go read about it. The characters you and I mentioned you can't. 

They have consistency to their feats,Dixon did'nt have Monkey using martial arts against  Batman and then telling Bronze Tiger that styles are for shit. Those writers can manage power levels,Simone can't and that's the difference.

They don't have enough feats to judge consistency.

Do you have something which can contradict their showings? they can only have one feat and it counts as long as there is no evidence against it,the credibility of the writer in question should also be taken in to account. Simone has Catman taking out Captain Nazi,she sends the entire Secret Society,JLA,JSA,BOP,Supes family,Batfamily against the Secret Six. Really,REALLY

I never said anything about anyone contradicting anything. Since you bring it up do you have anything to contradict the Silk Brothers or White Canary's showings? That's pretty much where you started this anyways. 

Huntress wins, i've never seen Hawkeye II do any unbelievable feats, or feats that Huntress can't duplicate, also if this goes to pure hand to hand (which there's a good chance off) Huntress is also a greater fighter 
 
 
 but Bullseye can beat them both...maybe not together though

@entropy_aegis: It's never said in the arc that they are on par with Shiva. The closest they come to saying that is "nearly Shiva level". When Canary tells the story she even warns Oracle it's just legend. I think the word "rumors" is also mentioned once or twice. 

i would think that bishop has this battle, in the long-distance aspect, but if she cant hit huntress within those 30 arrows, then she'll close in & mop the floor with bishop. im not to fresh on bishops h2h, but i would think that huntress is just more better.  
 
as for the bonus round, id like to think that they take it, but for every arrow/bolt the teams misses with, that'll just be more ammo for bullseye since anything is a weapon in his hands.

@Erik: 

I think Barbara could beat Huntress in her wheelchair.

I think huntress has beat babs before..

@EpitomeofCool said:

@Erik: 

I think Barbara could beat Huntress in her wheelchair.

I think huntress has beat babs before..

She also beat Shiva. Like I said, she does have a few high showings but when weighed against his regular showings, her high showings are unbelievable. Her beating Shiva is ridiculous, regardless of the context as well as beating Barbara. Barbara when she was Batgirl I could see because she was not very skilled back then. But Barbara with escrima sticks and Huntress with a bo? My money is on the cripple. 

@Erik

@EpitomeofCool said:

@Erik: 

I think Barbara could beat Huntress in her wheelchair.

I think huntress has beat babs before..

She also beat Shiva. Like I said, she does have a few high showings but when weighed against his regular showings, her high showings are unbelievable. Her beating Shiva is ridiculous, regardless of the context as well as beating Barbara. Barbara when she was Batgirl I could see because she was not very skilled back then. But Barbara with escrima sticks and Huntress with a bo? My money is on the cripple. 

I REALLY wouldn't count that as her beating Shiva. That's more her withstanding Shiva and getting a few lucky (and somewhat PIS-riddled) shots in. On top of that, the only way she was able to do that was by poisoning Shiva, which in and of itself was PIS.

@The Dark Huntress said:

@Erik

@EpitomeofCool said:

@Erik: 

I think Barbara could beat Huntress in her wheelchair.

I think huntress has beat babs before..

She also beat Shiva. Like I said, she does have a few high showings but when weighed against his regular showings, her high showings are unbelievable. Her beating Shiva is ridiculous, regardless of the context as well as beating Barbara. Barbara when she was Batgirl I could see because she was not very skilled back then. But Barbara with escrima sticks and Huntress with a bo? My money is on the cripple. 

I REALLY wouldn't count that as her beating Shiva. That's more her withstanding Shiva and getting a few lucky (and somewhat PIS-riddled) shots in. On top of that, the only way she was able to do that was by poisoning Shiva, which in and of itself was PIS.

Exactly why I said regardless of the context. It just should never have happened. 

@Erik I wish I could say the same. I've ready every Birds of Orey issue since Of Like Minds (issue 56 of the original volume). My OCD won't allow me to drop. But the new volume is going to have to be superb for me to read more than the first two or three issues.

1) Huntress 2) Bullseye stomps.

#Round 1

Kate she took trained shield agents out and huntress lost to Catwoman and Selina is a thief not a fighter

Kate is the better maskswomen

Round 2

Girls is going to fail