Katara vs Amon

When did Katara almost beat a serious Azula? Azula's fire cut buildings apart, 1 hit and Katara would be cut in half.

Katara.

@sirneko: in the crystal cavern. She had azula incapacitated before zuko stepped in

katara stomps, alot of people don't realise that when hama used her bloodbending against katara, katara managed to break free, this gives us an idea that perhaps she could deflect any bloodbending from amon or anyone else, the funny thing also is during korras flashback or whatever when yakone was in court, he managed to bloodbend everyone but katara wasn't there, in terms of waterbending katara wins as she has wayy more feats in the series compared to amon, even though its not a fair judgement by judging with feats, we haven't exactly seen a waterbending amon, but predominantly him bloodbending.

overall katara wins this

@sherali96: Amon also broke free from Tarrlok's blood bending. Amon is a stronger blood bender than Hama or Katara, he can bloodbend without a full moon. Katara's not breaking free

@arcus: katara's bending is stronger than amon's by a lot. I don't see how amon is a challenge really.

@princearagorn1:

She needs a full moon to bloodbend, Amon doesn't because he's a stronger bloodbender than her

Amon...able to bloodbend without moving.

@arcus: katara bloodbended the southern raider commander in daylight. And her overall water bending is far superior to amon, I don't see why she can't break out.

@princearagorn1: that was at night, with a full moon, they showed it right before

@arcus: hm. K.

The point still stands though, her bending is still more powerful than amon's, leading to override of blood bending like hama, a much more experienced blood bender.

@princearagorn1:

No, the point really doesn't stand. Katara's bending isn't powerful enough to bloodbend without a full moon. Amon's is. Amon has broken Tarrlok's bloodbending, so that's nothing special

@arcus: er.. katara's bloodbending feats aren't as good as hama's either (she had zero training in it as compared to hama's years worth of mastery), her waterbending was more powerful, so she overcame it. Why doesn't the same logic apply to amon?

@princearagorn1:

How do you not see the difference? Both Hama and Katara needed the full moon amping their powers to bloodbend, Katara was just stronger than Hama.

However, Amon is so powerful that he doesn't need the full moon to bloodbend. He doesn't need any sort of amp to do it. Neither Katara nor Hama was that powerful

@arcus: lol. I didn't say katara's bloodbending is stronger than amon's to begin with. But her overall water bending is. Which is what matters, as she was able to overcome a master blood bender with zero training.

@princearagorn1: well we're talking about bloodbending aren't we? Katara would have to use bloodbending to fight Amon's bloodbending

@arcus: um, no. Being a more powerful water bender allowed her to throw hama's control off, she literally had negligible bb training compared to hama. She overcomes the blood bending, it gets down to water bending... and we know who is going to win that.

Amon wins, any day. But Karara will put up a fight.

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@princearagorn1:

How does Katara just throw off Amon's bending? Hama had skill, but she was less powerful. Amon isn't just a more skilled bloodbender, he's also far more powerful.

Bloodbending=waterbending. Bloodbending is just part of waterbending. When Katara overcame Hama's bloodbending, she was blood bending herself

@arcus: ?

At that point, she was not skilled enough in blood bending to fight hama with it. Zero training, remember?

How is he more powerful than katara, exactly? Not skill wise, but power wise?

@princearagorn1:

Well how did she break Hama's control without bloodbending? She took control of her blood back, that's bloodbending

Amon can do things regularly that Katara can only do while amped. I explained this already

@arcus: *sigh*

We're going in a circle. Agree to disagree.

@princearagorn1:

If that's what you want to do, I'm still very confused how you break blood bending without bloodbending but ok

Amon has agility and speed that regularly makes benders look like children. Add in his superior blood bending puts him over

@arcus@princearagorn1 im gonna have to agree with arcus, although katara is powerful in her own rights and i still stand by her resisting bloodbending from hama, (she wasn't bloodbending herself as there is no indication she can bloodbend with her mind-which took years of practice for bloodbending master amon), amon is a bigger threat to her in bloodbending than hama, hama could only bloodbend only with the moon, amon can do it without the moon and if the moon was there his bending would be amplified even greater than hamas. In a waterbending no bloodbending fight, katara could most likely win however, the fact that bloodbending is present, katara would not have enough power to wiggle herself out, as she said in the fight with hama how she "draws her powers from the moon too" this shows how for kataras only way to resist bloodbending would be the full moon as her source, but with or without, amon is too powerful and would take her bending before she starts afflicting damage. So overall, i think arcus is right, amons bloodbending overshadows kataras waterbending, so amon wins.

@sherali96: how could Katara resist bloodbending without bending? She specifically said "my bending is stronger than yours," meaning she was overpowering Hama's bending with her bending. To do that she'd have to bloodbend

Other than that I agree with you

Amon wins. If you say they can break each others blood bending then it comes down to a fight. Katara skill <<<<<<< Amons bending skill + Fighting skill + ability to read movements

I'm curious where people are getting the idea Katara is a more POWERFUL bender than Amon. Yes, she has more feats of skill and combat ability with her waterbending. But power is not the same as skill. The one time we saw Amon waterbend he created a huge waterspout that he could ride. That's a master level technique and was a rather impressive display of raw power.

Not to mention that simple bending feats don't necessarily translate to being able to resist bloodbending. Amon is demonstrably the superior bloodbender. By a massive margin. He could bloodbend without a full moon and without physical motion. He was able to manipulate multiple opponents at once with ease. He was even able to casually shrug off his brother's bloodbending. Katara has no bloodbending feats to suggest she's stronger as a bloodbender than Amon.

Even if their bloodbending did cancel each other out, Amon would still win handily. Katara has terrible, terrible showings against chi blockers, and Amon is basically the ultimate chi blocker. He's incredibly fast, agile, and skilled, and is use to casually dodging bending attacks to get in close and end the fight. He is much more dangerous than Ty Lee ever was.

@lvenger: That was at the full moon though and Hama was pretty old, so it's possible that Katara couldn't resist normally.

Amon puts her down.

But Katara is a stronger waterbender than Amon based on feats. She could resist even though he's the superior bloodbender.

How's she supposed to fight his bloodbending when he's the stronger bloodbender? He's clearly stronger at least at bloodbending because he doesn't need to be amped by the full moon to bloodbend, while she does. The full moon being out will amp both of them equally, so there's still a strength difference

I'm not sure how people are making a serious argument for Katara

@norrinboltagonprime21: ...but....she overcame Hama's bloodbending!

And Katara did it under a full moon! Se can overcome Amon's bending under a full moon!

@norrinboltagonprime21: of course!

@arcus:

I think people are trying to say that because Katara has feats of moving larger amounts of water that she is a more powerful waterbender, and thus can override Amon's bloodbending.

Of course, we both know that argument doesn't hold water. *Puts on shades*

Amon didn't employ his waterbending offensively so we can't compare them based on that. Why did he not use his waterbending to fight? Well for one, he was actively hiding the fact he was a waterbender. And two, bloodbending is soooo much more powerful than anything you can do with normal waterbending. He had no reason to bust out a water whip because he could literally knock people out with a thought.

Know what we CAN use as a measurement of power, though? The very ability to bloodbend. Hama explicitly stated that the reason waterbenders could bloodbend only during a full moon was because the full moon raises a waterbender's power to it's peak. Power specifically. The full moon makes the waterbender's control over water become powerful enough to influence the water in the human body. Without the moon a waterbender isn't powerful enough to exert their influence over the bodily fluids.

Amon and his family however are unique. Yakone specifically said they come from a line of extremely powerful bloodbenders, which is why they can bloodbend without a full moon. Unlike Katara, Amon is basically walking around with the equivalent of full moon amp all the time naturally. Katara and Hama were not powerful enough to bloodbend without the full moon. Amon, Yakone, and Tarrlock are. And when the full moon comes out there's no reason to think it evens out the playing field, because the three of them are still waterbenders and would logically be enhanced further.

trying to play the "Well that guy has no feats, so..." card doesn't really work here. The show is pretty direct in explaining the nature of the full moon, waterbending, and bloodbending, and outright stated why Amon and his family could bloodbend without a full moon. It's all about power.

Therefore Amon is a more powerful waterbender than Katara.

@metaljimmor:

Haha "hold water," clever. Nice explanation

@lvenger: Amon has't used his waterbending offensively since he was hiding the fact that he's a bender from the Equalists. That would normally mean that Katara would beat Amon so hard is wasn't even fuuny. Normally is the key word here. The fact that Amon can bloodbend without the full moon gives a case for how powerful Amon is, never mind the physic bloodbending thing. Katara (and almost all other waterbenders) are only able to blood bend at the full moon because the moon amps up their power to it's maximum. That basically means that since Amon can blood bend WITHOUT a full moon, he at least as powerful as a master waterbender under the full moon normally. That probably means he's powerful enough to knock Katara out with his bloodbending.

@rogueshadow: Katara loses, you mean

Depends on if Amon can bloodbend her or not, if he can, he wins, if he can't, he loses.

@jacthripper: why wouldn't he be able to?

@jacthripper: Katara has some resistance feats under a full moon, and we haven't seen Amon under a full moon IIRC

@jacthripper: Amon's powerful enough to bloodbend without a full moon, so his bloodbending is inherently stronger than Katara. The full moon will amp them both equally so he'll still be stronger than her

He wouldn't be able to bloodbend her the same reason Hama couldn't, she's a more powerful waterbender than him. Even if he's a better bloodbender he can't bloodbend her.

@rogueshadow:

That doesn't even make sense. Amon's more powerful than Hama or Katara. They need to be amped by the full moon to bloodbend, but he's so powerful that he doesn't need to be amped. Bloodbending strength is directly related to water bending strength and vice versa

Amon if bloodbending works.

@highaccuser: there's no reason it wouldn't work