Katara/Unalaq vs Huu/Ming Hua

In this battle, these two classic waterbenders will take on two unique water benders. Who will win?

Fight takes place in Foggy Swamp. Time is night. Starting distance is 25 feet

No full moon for blood bending. No dark spirits

Huu starts with his swamp monster

All are in character but completely determined to win. Victory by ko or death

Who wins?

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Team 1 but not by much

@uchiha454: any reasons?

@arcus:

Korra > Huu

Unalaq < Ming Hua

I think Unalaq can hold Ming off while Korra fights Huu then help him take her down

@uchiha454: i'm curious...

What do you think puts ming above unalaq?

Anyway, i think team one wins this.

Op is probably forgetting that katara faced huu pre-hama training, Eos katara will be able to bend or simply dehydrate the vine monster, and huu has shown he ain't that fast at making it or patching it up.

That given unalaq can take ming on her own quite casually imo, being faster, more powerful and having more moveals at his disposal.

So.... Team one 8/10.

Team1 unalaq is a beast who can take anyone on team2 and katara is just a little less powerful than korra.

@pierpat: Ming has fought bolin and mako and had the upperhand when Unalaq fought them his showings weren't better than hers imo and she has only been brought down by an environment that was very helpful to a lightning user and one shot by a bloodlusted avatar Unalaq with Vaatu had a higher level of bending than Ming but Unalaq on his own wasn't the best water bender

Team 1. I think both benders of Team 2 are outclassed here. Ming Hua isn't as much, but she won't take a majority against either of Team 1.

Ming has been handled by mako alone, with limited water.

She has never fought the furret brothers alone, she was always aided by Ghazan, and ghazan was, both time, clearly the hardest nut to crack for the siblings.

The "being taken down just because of the environment" was actually the environment saving her beforehand.

And unalaq was having the advantage against both of the brothers without having to rely on a huge water pool casually being below him without Mako knowing of it.

To me Unalaq is the best water bender,even without vaatu, even alone, the only that could be better is korra.

Unalaq on his own was one of the best waterbenders we've seen. His skill with it was tremendous.

I'll find some more gifs for him later. @arcus Didn't you say that most of the feats he accomplished when he fought Korra were of his own power, and only some of them were Dark-Avatar enhanced?

Yes, only a few where dark-avatar powered, often his eyes did not glow during that fight.

Huu has never actually fought without prep so we have no idea how good he'd be in a random encounter.

Team 1, why are people talking about Korra?

His only "prep" ever was creating the vine monster, and he has it from the start here, so it's basically standard Huu.

She has incapacitated Eska and Desna in a instant

She has incapacitated Mako and Bolin with Ghazan's help

She has had Kya pressed

Her bending style is one of the most lethal in the Avatar series

Also Mako would have been dead had he not known how to generate lightning

All these place her above Unalaq imo

@arcus: Am I crazy or was it Korra and Unalaq at first?

@uchiha454: it was Katara. Though their names are similar enough to get them confused, I've done that before

@arcus: oh ok

@pierpat: Didn't see that.

Team 1, book 2 Katara was able to give him a good fight on her own. In book 3 she learned how to draw water from plants so I'd imagine she'd be able to "depower" him that way.

None of this places her above Unalaq.

Her confronting with help guys that unalq handled on his own or vastly weaker foes is not enough to compare to unalaq.

She was the weakest and least problematic member of the red lotus.

She cannot compare to a guy who's bending prowess went head to head with the one of the avatar.

He can control more water, do more things with it, and is at least as fast, if not faster, in doing so.

Most of this fight was done by unalaq without Vaatu's power.

@juiceboks: what do you mean by prep? He's got his swamp monster formed already

@juiceboks: never mind, I see the prep thing was answered already. About Katara drawing water from plants, that's a possibility, but she'd have to overpower Huu to do that

That's Dark Avatar Unalaq notice the eye glow here is him on his own

I'll give him credit for pushing them back but Ming was able to KO Mako

Unless you have him doing something impressive before merging with Vaatu I am sticking with my opinion of Ming being a bit better

Team 1.

@uchiha454:

Unalaq has feats of knocking Mako around while simultaneously blocking a combined firebending assault from both Mako and Korra. He was only hit when Korra used an air blast, and those have been shown plenty of times to be almost impossible to dodge when in a narrow hall. Zuko and Amon have both been tagged in such situations, so it's hardly a low showing.

And you already posted his fight against Mako and Bolin together, in which he was overwhelming them. Mako also got slapped out of the air during that fight too, and was only hanging in there because of Mako and Bolin's spectacular team work.

To Unalaq Mako is no more than a speed bump. To Ming Hua Mako is a bit of a challenge when she has a decent water source, and a large threat when she's limited on water. However, watch that above scene again. Unalaq was holding back Korra and Mako and slapped Mako aside with even less water than what Ming Hua had when Mako was beating her.

Ming Hua has better mobility, but Unalaq surpasses her in power and at least rivals her in reflexes. He's certainly better than Kya, and she was able to give Ming Hua a pretty decent fight too. Unfortunately for Ming Hua her mobility stops being much of an advantage if Unalaq uses the waterspout technique, which we know he can because he wasn't in the Avatar State for the entire Korra fight. His eyes were very clearly not glowing yet there he was riding the waterspout and keeping up with Korra, who on her own waterspout was able to move about as fast as a speedboat.

Unalaq's waterbending style is not only superior, but is you look at the battle where he faced Korra, insane. Most of the feats he accomplished then were of his own power, few were using the Dark Avatar state.

Unalaq's stomped Tonraq. He displayed amazing reflexes when Tonraq attempted to punch his head off. That was some fast thinking right there.

With limited water, he held his own against (Korra, Mako, and Bolin?).

He deflected ALL of Mako and Bolin's attacks, and defeated Mako, easily. They were mere distractions to him, nothing more.

If he manages to get one of them into a weakened state, he can certainly pull off one of his spiritbending/corruption techniques to finish them off.

I'm certain that Unalaq can not only take on Ming Hua, but take her down.

@uchiha454: Avatars don't need to be in the Avatar State to bend multiple elements

@arcus: I know I meant it as being the avatar your abilities are buffed Korra's jet propulsion was limited earlier in the series at the end she was able to use it to fly also she was able to lift multiple slabs of earth up to the buildings rather than just lift two slabs above her head

Edit: I thought when you're a fully realized avatar your eyes glow momentarily and you stay in the state wasn't Korra a fully realized avatar?

@uchiha454: there might be a brief amp, but it doesn't last that long if at all

@dreadpool10: he's only ever used spirit bending on spirits (Korra and Jinora were in spirit form since they'd meditated into the spirit world). I don't think it'd work on physical people

I'm not sure if it 100% counts, but when he was in UnaVaatu form, he was about to kill Korra's... projection with spirit bending. Hold on a sec, did Korra transform into that giant blue thing (Physically), or was it some sort of giant astral projection?

@arcus: Well i do recall Korra's buffs being bread but I guess my trouble is separating which part was Unalaq and which were Vaatu buffs because if it was even 60% of him he should have stomped mako and bolin rather than just have the upperhand

It was some sort of astral projection, cause her body was still in the Tree of Time

Course, in his fight with Korra he also had access to a lot more water than he did against Mako and Bolin, plus he needed to use more power

@uchiha454: Ming Hua vs Unalaq would be an awesome fight but I think Unalaq's abilities in the finale we're amongst the best we've ever seen (not including his avatar state). Gotta say he edges out Ming Hua though we haven't exactly seen her with a lot of water to bend. Katara was owning Huu mid season 2 which was before her prime, so she handles him with ease.

This. Plus we've clearly seen him activating his Avatar State when he drags Korra in to extract Raava. Which means that prior to that moment was utilizing some of his own pre-amped abilities.

@sean12345: Katara was hardly owning Huu, he was taking on her and Aang simultaneously

That was pre-Hama training where Katara learned to drain the water from plants. In the Huu fight, Katara was still somewhat of a novice waterbender keep in mind. Sorry I was mixing up arguments with seasons. I mean to say she could take him in season 3 since at the time she demonstrated to at least force Huu to constantly regenerate his vines. Of course that was with the assistance of Aang. Nevertheless I'd say that theres plenty of water for Katara to do a reasonable amount of damage to him. That and she's witness what Huu can do with the vines, she has good knowledge of his abilities and Katara has proven to be pretty resourceful in sticky situations.

@sean12345:

Katara was hardly a novice, Pakku considered her a master. She could try to take the water from the vines, but to do that she'd have to overpower Huu

Taking Team 2 on this one because we're not sure how skilled Katara was after the conclusion of the first series. She was billed as a master waterbender, but her true value to the team was her healing. Unlike every else in this battle who's main skill with waterbending is fighting.

Unalaq can totally own whoever's in front of him. Individually, Unalaq's the better bender, 2v1 makes it a bit closer. I think putting this battle in a swamp gives Team 2 the edge to overcome the skill gap. I see Ming and Huu ganking Katara as quickly as they can, and then focusing all their energy on Unalaq.

@wrongdamnside:

What do you mean we're not sure? We've seen her fight plenty of times

@arcus: I meant after the series. It's safe to say that the Katara we saw in the show wasn't her full potential, so we can't be 100% how boss she was in her prime.

@wrongdamnside: well yeah, but this is Katara in the show. It's not like Katara never fought or anything, this is the girl who got the better of Azula twice

@arcus: I know, I just thought I'd mention which version of Katara I was talking about before anyone jumped on me for saying Huu and Ming can take her in a double-team.

Maybe I am over specifying it can the Unalaq here do everything he did in his battle with Korra?

@uchiha454: it's always been my understanding that, except when his eyes were glowing, Unalaq's feats from that fight were his own

@arcus: Well if all Unalaq's feats are allowed I don't think Ming or Huu can take him down I always thought it was pre Korra fight Unalaq for some reason but if those feats counts then team 1 wins more easily than I thought

Unalaq certainly wasn't in the avatar state when he fought Korra. He did not flash once during the fight. The only time we see him go into the avatar state is in the the tug of war, and at the very beginning, after the merger with Vaatu. That was it. Unalaq's only avatar state feat was only was one shotting Mako and Bolin, and ripping Raava out of Korra.

Both Amon and Korra can use waterspouts. There is no reason why Unalaq shouldn't be able to under his own power.

On a side note, Ming-Hua could just replicate what Korra did and rip Unalaq off his spout with her water arms.

The non-continous avatar state is only momentary amp.

There is no reason to believe that Korra's jet propulsion was amped. Mako performed jet propulsion to the same degree when he propelled himself up on to the leg of the Mech. Not to mention Iroh II, who was practically flying through the sky and managed to catch up to plane. Korra is at least on par with Mako, and should surpass Iroh II, considering he has limited showings albeit he was very impressive.

There is also this...

The raw power Korra demonstrates in this scene aligns with her Jet propulsion feat.