Kal-kent vs all of supermans prde-crisis enemies

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#1  Edited By YoungThriller
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Kal-kent has sundipped in the super sun,and is within range to keep his powers.His enemies are their pre-crisis selfs,Lex has a yellow lantern ring.

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To the death

On a deserted planet.

Darkseid
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#2  Edited By ssejllenrad

Umm... There are no precrisis Doomsday, Livewire and Henshaw...

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#3  Edited By YoungThriller
@ssejllenrad said:
Umm... There are no precrisis Doomsday, Livewire and Henshaw...
There were pre-crisis doomsday,livewire.When supes first met doomsday it was before crisis and that's when he was mindless and adapted during battle.Livewire was around the same time,I added Henshaw as a challenge.
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#4  Edited By ssejllenrad
@YoungThriller: Doomsday's first appearance was in 92. Livewire in 97. Crisis occurred in 85-86. How the hell would there be any pre-crisis versions of them? 
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@ssejllenrad said:
@YoungThriller: Doomsday's first appearance was in 92. Livewire in 97. Crisis occurred in 85-86. How the hell would there be any pre-crisis versions of them? 
I'm thinking of infinity crisis not the old old crisis on infinite earths.
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#6  Edited By ssejllenrad
@YoungThriller: Then they really are not pre-crisis. Pre-infinity crisis are still post-crisis except maybe for Legion of Superheroes which has different incarnations post-crisis, post-zero hour and post-IF. 
 
As for the battle, I would go with sundipped Kal Kent.  don't see anyone in the list that could take him down. A tough battle, it would be, though. But if you really include "all" of Superman's enemies then Mxy would own Superman 1 Million.
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#7  Edited By YoungThriller
@ssejllenrad: Mxy and Kal are equaled because Kal also has 5th dimension imp blood in him allowing him to warp reality as well.
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#8  Edited By ssejllenrad
@YoungThriller: No, they're not equal. Kal Kent has the blood but Mxy IS an imp. No way could Kal Kent do anything the best Mxy has done. The Emperor Joker arc shows what a true Imp is capable of and Kal Kent has done nothing to equal those feats. 
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@ssejllenrad said:
@YoungThriller: No, they're not equal. Kal Kent has the blood but Mxy IS an imp. No way could Kal Kent do anything the best Mxy has done. The Emperor Joker arc shows what a true Imp is capable of and Kal Kent has done nothing to equal those feats. 
Yea they aren't equal Kal has the ability to absorb solar energy to increase all his abilities,So I think he can become even more powerful than Mxy.And Kal has never shown his reality warping power to the best of my knowledge maybe because it's to overkill and would defeat the main goal of his superman origin.
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#10  Edited By ssejllenrad
@YoungThriller: So you're saying Kal Kent is PIS incarnate?
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@ssejllenrad said:
@YoungThriller: So you're saying Kal Kent is PIS incarnate?
I wouldn't say that.
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#12  Edited By Switchdoctor

There's no such thing as Pre-Crisis Maxima or Pre-Crisis Silver Banshee.

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#13  Edited By ssejllenrad
@YoungThriller said:
@ssejllenrad said:
@YoungThriller: So you're saying Kal Kent is PIS incarnate?
I wouldn't say that.
Look. battles here in the vine are based on what the characters have actually done. He has done no such feats (reality warping) and therefore cannot be used as such. And another thing is that if a character is capable of doing great feats and yet does not perform them, or underperforms from his/her full capability, then it is considered jobbing and is a form of PIS. 
 
@Switchdoctor said:
There's no such thing as Pre-Crisis Maxima or Pre-Crisis Silver Banshee.
He meant pre-Infinite Crisis.
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#14  Edited By YoungThriller
@ssejllenrad: Ok fine then yea it's PIS I guess,But they have commented countless times that he has imp blood in him,so it would be stupid to say that he can't,since he clearly can but just doesn't because it would defeat the spirit of superman in my opinion.And since they also put it on his character page as a power.But yea your right pis.
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#15  Edited By ssejllenrad
@YoungThriller: OK.. he does have the blood and so he is potentially capable of reality warping. But I still am not convinced it would be on par with Mxy. Having someone's blood doesn't necessarily make you equal to them. Case in point: Conner Kent. He's absolutely not equal to Superman.
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@ssejllenrad said:
@YoungThriller: OK.. he does have the blood and so he is potentially capable of reality warping. But I still am not convinced it would be on par with Mxy. Having someone's blood doesn't necessarily make you equal to them. Case in point: Conner Kent. He's absolutely not equal to Superman.
But conner is mixed with human and the human side slows him down,but gave him new abilities.Kal is mixed with imp,superman,and other aliens that have married into the superman dynasty making Kal the product of that that genetic potential.Plus it has been stated countless times that the sun powers up Any superman's powers.So I don't see why Kal's powers couldn't equal Mxy's if Kal took a sun dip.
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#17  Edited By ssejllenrad
@YoungThriller: You make good points but I still am not convinced. As far as I'm concerned, until he accomplishes battle traits on par with Mxy, him being equal (or greater) is pure speculation. Even Prime Superman One Million (Gold) has never equaled the feats of Mxy. And if you search this site regarding matches of SPOM, you would see that most of his losses are due to the fact that he is next to featless. As I said before, feats are the defining factor in battle threads. I do applaud you for sticking to your point and giving sound arguments.
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#18  Edited By YoungThriller
@ssejllenrad: True,but what I go on if they are feat less is what other characters say about them,But yea your right.
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#19  Edited By termiteone4ever

This is Stomp easily.

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#20  Edited By King_Saturn
Kal Kent vs Pre Crisis Darkseid, Pre Crisis Mongul, Cyborg Superman, Pre Crisis Bizarro... hmmm 
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#21  Edited By YoungThriller

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#22  Edited By LiroyJenkins

Is Doomsday in this matchup? Since it's stated that he's post-crisis.

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LUL darkseid solos

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#24  Edited By jeanroygrant

Team wins

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#25  Edited By SPM1M

the op is all jacked up but either way kal kent stomps team the guy has 5th dimensional powers like those of Mxy although its not stated how powerful these powers are but he has held a galaxy together with his force vision the most of the team gets one shotted before they even know theyre in a fight

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#26  Edited By TheGoldenOne
Team stomps.
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#27  Edited By emperorznb

Kal Kent loses.

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The enemies brutalize him.

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#29  Edited By Killemall

I never understood why Kal Kent is seen as this powerful, he has very little feats and full on hyperbole, thats about it. Lack of feats to be seem to suggest, Pre-Crisis Darkseid (assuming we are using the version from the Great Darkness Saga) should be enough to beat him.

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@Killemall: It says Kal is sundipped though. That might be enough to take Darkseid. Even so, I think Kal doesn't stand a chance here.

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#31  Edited By Killemall

@logy5000 said:

@Killemall: It says Kal is sundipped though. That might be enough to take Darkseid. Even so, I think Kal doesn't stand a chance here.

We dont really know how Kal's power increases with Sundip though , although we know the proximity to supersun keeps him at his normal level. I think the problem i feel saying Kal wins against Darkseid would be lack of feats. He has some weird feats, like being able to physically punch his from 2001 all the way to Dc 1,000,000 which was well awesome, but hard to quantify. Then we have him surrounded by hyperboles. I generally put Kal Kent, and Prime Superman in similar catagories, insufficient feat to get a reading on their power level.

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#32  Edited By terry2012

Kal Kent in a good hard battle.

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#33  Edited By X_insignia1

for the record, Kal may have 5D im blood, but it was never implied that reality warping was part of his power set, which is why superman prime one million needed an actual 5D imp to revive Lois

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@Killemall: This is a bit off topic, but is it true that Kal Kent & Superboy Prime are going to fight in a comic sometime?