#1 Edited by YoungThriller (746 posts) - - Show Bio

Vs

Kal-kent has sundipped in the super sun,and is within range to keep his powers.His enemies are their pre-crisis selfs,Lex has a yellow lantern ring.

Moral off

To the death

On a deserted planet.

Darkseid
General Zod, Ursa, & Non
Titano & Metallo killing Superman
#2 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

Umm... There are no precrisis Doomsday, Livewire and Henshaw...

#3 Posted by YoungThriller (746 posts) - - Show Bio
@ssejllenrad said:
Umm... There are no precrisis Doomsday, Livewire and Henshaw...
There were pre-crisis doomsday,livewire.When supes first met doomsday it was before crisis and that's when he was mindless and adapted during battle.Livewire was around the same time,I added Henshaw as a challenge.
#4 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio
@YoungThriller: Doomsday's first appearance was in 92. Livewire in 97. Crisis occurred in 85-86. How the hell would there be any pre-crisis versions of them? 
#5 Posted by YoungThriller (746 posts) - - Show Bio
@ssejllenrad said:
@YoungThriller: Doomsday's first appearance was in 92. Livewire in 97. Crisis occurred in 85-86. How the hell would there be any pre-crisis versions of them? 
I'm thinking of infinity crisis not the old old crisis on infinite earths.
#6 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio
@YoungThriller: Then they really are not pre-crisis. Pre-infinity crisis are still post-crisis except maybe for Legion of Superheroes which has different incarnations post-crisis, post-zero hour and post-IF. 
 
As for the battle, I would go with sundipped Kal Kent.  don't see anyone in the list that could take him down. A tough battle, it would be, though. But if you really include "all" of Superman's enemies then Mxy would own Superman 1 Million.
#7 Posted by YoungThriller (746 posts) - - Show Bio
@ssejllenrad: Mxy and Kal are equaled because Kal also has 5th dimension imp blood in him allowing him to warp reality as well.
#8 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio
@YoungThriller: No, they're not equal. Kal Kent has the blood but Mxy IS an imp. No way could Kal Kent do anything the best Mxy has done. The Emperor Joker arc shows what a true Imp is capable of and Kal Kent has done nothing to equal those feats. 
#9 Posted by YoungThriller (746 posts) - - Show Bio
@ssejllenrad said:
@YoungThriller: No, they're not equal. Kal Kent has the blood but Mxy IS an imp. No way could Kal Kent do anything the best Mxy has done. The Emperor Joker arc shows what a true Imp is capable of and Kal Kent has done nothing to equal those feats. 
Yea they aren't equal Kal has the ability to absorb solar energy to increase all his abilities,So I think he can become even more powerful than Mxy.And Kal has never shown his reality warping power to the best of my knowledge maybe because it's to overkill and would defeat the main goal of his superman origin.
#10 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio
@YoungThriller: So you're saying Kal Kent is PIS incarnate?
#11 Posted by YoungThriller (746 posts) - - Show Bio
@ssejllenrad said:
@YoungThriller: So you're saying Kal Kent is PIS incarnate?
I wouldn't say that.
#12 Edited by Switchdoctor (464 posts) - - Show Bio

There's no such thing as Pre-Crisis Maxima or Pre-Crisis Silver Banshee.

#13 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio
@YoungThriller said:
@ssejllenrad said:
@YoungThriller: So you're saying Kal Kent is PIS incarnate?
I wouldn't say that.
Look. battles here in the vine are based on what the characters have actually done. He has done no such feats (reality warping) and therefore cannot be used as such. And another thing is that if a character is capable of doing great feats and yet does not perform them, or underperforms from his/her full capability, then it is considered jobbing and is a form of PIS. 
 
@Switchdoctor said:
There's no such thing as Pre-Crisis Maxima or Pre-Crisis Silver Banshee.
He meant pre-Infinite Crisis.
#14 Posted by YoungThriller (746 posts) - - Show Bio
@ssejllenrad: Ok fine then yea it's PIS I guess,But they have commented countless times that he has imp blood in him,so it would be stupid to say that he can't,since he clearly can but just doesn't because it would defeat the spirit of superman in my opinion.And since they also put it on his character page as a power.But yea your right pis.
#15 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio
@YoungThriller: OK.. he does have the blood and so he is potentially capable of reality warping. But I still am not convinced it would be on par with Mxy. Having someone's blood doesn't necessarily make you equal to them. Case in point: Conner Kent. He's absolutely not equal to Superman.
#16 Posted by YoungThriller (746 posts) - - Show Bio
@ssejllenrad said:
@YoungThriller: OK.. he does have the blood and so he is potentially capable of reality warping. But I still am not convinced it would be on par with Mxy. Having someone's blood doesn't necessarily make you equal to them. Case in point: Conner Kent. He's absolutely not equal to Superman.
But conner is mixed with human and the human side slows him down,but gave him new abilities.Kal is mixed with imp,superman,and other aliens that have married into the superman dynasty making Kal the product of that that genetic potential.Plus it has been stated countless times that the sun powers up Any superman's powers.So I don't see why Kal's powers couldn't equal Mxy's if Kal took a sun dip.
#17 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio
@YoungThriller: You make good points but I still am not convinced. As far as I'm concerned, until he accomplishes battle traits on par with Mxy, him being equal (or greater) is pure speculation. Even Prime Superman One Million (Gold) has never equaled the feats of Mxy. And if you search this site regarding matches of SPOM, you would see that most of his losses are due to the fact that he is next to featless. As I said before, feats are the defining factor in battle threads. I do applaud you for sticking to your point and giving sound arguments.
#18 Posted by YoungThriller (746 posts) - - Show Bio
@ssejllenrad: True,but what I go on if they are feat less is what other characters say about them,But yea your right.
#19 Posted by termiteone4ever (7670 posts) - - Show Bio

This is Stomp easily.

#20 Posted by King Saturn (224426 posts) - - Show Bio
Kal Kent vs Pre Crisis Darkseid, Pre Crisis Mongul, Cyborg Superman, Pre Crisis Bizarro... hmmm 
#21 Posted by YoungThriller (746 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

#22 Posted by LiroyJenkins (197 posts) - - Show Bio

Is Doomsday in this matchup? Since it's stated that he's post-crisis.

#23 Posted by higher_evolutionary (2016 posts) - - Show Bio

LUL darkseid solos

#24 Edited by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

Team wins

#25 Posted by SPM1M (836 posts) - - Show Bio

the op is all jacked up but either way kal kent stomps team the guy has 5th dimensional powers like those of Mxy although its not stated how powerful these powers are but he has held a galaxy together with his force vision the most of the team gets one shotted before they even know theyre in a fight

#26 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38849 posts) - - Show Bio
Team stomps.
#27 Posted by emperorznb (1673 posts) - - Show Bio

Kal Kent loses.

#28 Posted by logy5000 (5923 posts) - - Show Bio

The enemies brutalize him.

#29 Posted by Killemall (18635 posts) - - Show Bio

I never understood why Kal Kent is seen as this powerful, he has very little feats and full on hyperbole, thats about it. Lack of feats to be seem to suggest, Pre-Crisis Darkseid (assuming we are using the version from the Great Darkness Saga) should be enough to beat him.

#30 Posted by logy5000 (5923 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall: It says Kal is sundipped though. That might be enough to take Darkseid. Even so, I think Kal doesn't stand a chance here.

#31 Posted by Killemall (18635 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

@Killemall: It says Kal is sundipped though. That might be enough to take Darkseid. Even so, I think Kal doesn't stand a chance here.

We dont really know how Kal's power increases with Sundip though , although we know the proximity to supersun keeps him at his normal level. I think the problem i feel saying Kal wins against Darkseid would be lack of feats. He has some weird feats, like being able to physically punch his from 2001 all the way to Dc 1,000,000 which was well awesome, but hard to quantify. Then we have him surrounded by hyperboles. I generally put Kal Kent, and Prime Superman in similar catagories, insufficient feat to get a reading on their power level.

#32 Posted by terry2012 (5456 posts) - - Show Bio

Kal Kent in a good hard battle.

#33 Posted by X_insignia1 (1394 posts) - - Show Bio

for the record, Kal may have 5D im blood, but it was never implied that reality warping was part of his power set, which is why superman prime one million needed an actual 5D imp to revive Lois

#34 Posted by logy5000 (5923 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall: This is a bit off topic, but is it true that Kal Kent & Superboy Prime are going to fight in a comic sometime?