#1 Posted by King Saturn (222808 posts) - - Show Bio
Composite Superman


Abraxas


All Star Superman


Kal Kent













                                  VS

                                                                  Who wins this fight in an all out battle ? Can All Star Superman and Kal Kent win this fight  ?

                                                                                                             








#2 Posted by Strange Doctor (157 posts) - - Show Bio

I think team 2 wins this. Composite Superman could probably beat All-Star superman. I don't know much about Abraxas, but from what i've read online he has near-limitless cosmic power so i think he could take Kal Kent.

#3 Posted by King Saturn (222808 posts) - - Show Bio
Strange Doctor said:
"I think team 2 wins this. Composite Superman could probably beat All-Star superman. I don't know much about Abraxas, but from what i've read online he has near-limitless cosmic power so i think he could take Kal Kent.
"
As Powerful as Abraxas is... he has never faced anyone quite like Kal Kent.  And since All Star Superman's strength is somewhat superior to what the Superman of the Pre Crisis era has... I can see All Star Superman giving Composite Superman hell in the fight
#4 Edited by Strange Doctor (157 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought All-Star Superman was current Superman with his powers tripled when he went in the sun and he was immune to kryptonite. I don't have any comics with Composite Superman but isn't he 3 times as powerful as Silver Age Superman with the powers of the legion?

#5 Posted by King Saturn (222808 posts) - - Show Bio
Strange Doctor said:
"I thought All-Star Superman was current Superman with his powers tripled when he went in the sun and he was immune to kryptonite. I don't have any comics with Composite Superman but isn't he 3 times as powerful as Silver Age Superman with the powers of the legion?
"
From what I have seen All Star Superman was suppose to be stronger than Silver Age Superman... now I dont know to what degree though
#6 Edited by Strange Doctor (157 posts) - - Show Bio
King Saturn said:
"Strange Doctor said:
"I think team 2 wins this. Composite Superman could probably beat All-Star superman. I don't know much about Abraxas, but from what i've read online he has near-limitless cosmic power so i think he could take Kal Kent.
"
As Powerful as Abraxas is... he has never faced anyone quite like Kal Kent.  And since All Star Superman's strength is somewhat superior to what the Superman of the Pre Crisis era has... I can see All Star Superman giving Composite Superman hell in the fight
"
Doesn't Abraxas go around killing Galactuses?
#7 Posted by King Saturn (222808 posts) - - Show Bio
Strange Doctor said:
"King Saturn said:
"Strange Doctor said:
"I think team 2 wins this. Composite Superman could probably beat All-Star superman. I don't know much about Abraxas, but from what i've read online he has near-limitless cosmic power so i think he could take Kal Kent.
"
As Powerful as Abraxas is... he has never faced anyone quite like Kal Kent.  And since All Star Superman's strength is somewhat superior to what the Superman of the Pre Crisis era has... I can see All Star Superman giving Composite Superman hell in the fight
"
Doesn't Abraxas go around killing Galactuses?
"
He Sure Does... but Abraxas has never been attacked by someone who possess 5th Dimensional power before
#8 Edited by Strange Doctor (157 posts) - - Show Bio

If Kal Kent has the power of Mr. Mxyzptlk, then he just kind of wishes away the others, doesn't he?

#9 Posted by King Saturn (222808 posts) - - Show Bio
Strange Doctor said:
"If Kal Kent has the power of Mr. Mxyzptlk, then he just kind of wishes away team 2, doesn't he?
"
Possibly. But we dont know the full aspect of what Kal Kent can do with 5th Dimensional Power... we just know that he has it
#10 Posted by Strange Doctor (157 posts) - - Show Bio

lol.. Well I have no idea who wins then.

#11 Posted by King Saturn (222808 posts) - - Show Bio
I am not sure who wins either
#12 Posted by Strange Doctor (157 posts) - - Show Bio

I think All-Star Superman might be stronger than Composite Superman. They couldn't find a limit for his upper body strength and he was lifting that dwarf star key that weighs 500000 tons with 2 fingers easily

#13 Posted by the creator (8559 posts) - - Show Bio
King Saturn said:
And since All Star Superman's strength is somewhat superior to what the Superman of the Pre Crisis era has... I can see All Star Superman giving Composite Superman hell in the fight
"

No, All Star Superman can only lift 200 quintillion tonnes and this is less than the weight of the planet Earth. Pre-crisis Superman can move the Earth. Therefore Pre-crisis Superman is stronger.


As for winning, I would tend to back team 2 as composite superman can take All star Superman while Abraxas should take Kal Kent.

#14 Posted by King Saturn (222808 posts) - - Show Bio
the creator said:
"King Saturn said:
And since All Star Superman's strength is somewhat superior to what the Superman of the Pre Crisis era has... I can see All Star Superman giving Composite Superman hell in the fight
"

No, All Star Superman can only lift 200 quintillion tonnes and this is less than the weight of the planet Earth. Pre-crisis Superman can move the Earth. Therefore Pre-crisis Superman is stronger.


As for winning, I would tend to back team 2 as composite superman can take All star Superman while Abraxas should take Kal Kent.

"
Was the 200 Quintillion tons actually All Star Superman's limit in strength ? I thought that was just a isolated feat of him showing his strength not his max...
#15 Posted by Strange Doctor (157 posts) - - Show Bio
the creator said:
"King Saturn said:
And since All Star Superman's strength is somewhat superior to what the Superman of the Pre Crisis era has... I can see All Star Superman giving Composite Superman hell in the fight
"

No, All Star Superman can only lift 200 quintillion tonnes and this is less than the weight of the planet Earth. Pre-crisis Superman can move the Earth. Therefore Pre-crisis Superman is stronger.


As for winning, I would tend to back team 2 as composite superman can take All star Superman while Abraxas should take Kal Kent.

"
I thought they said that he was lifting 200 quintillion tons and they still couldn't find an upper body limit.
#16 Posted by the creator (8559 posts) - - Show Bio

You are both quite correct.

The page does say that this is not his upper limit.

We know that All Star Superman can lift 200 quintillion tonnes.

SA Superman can push the Earth out of orbit easily. That is a minimum of 6000000000000000000000 tonnes (6 followed by 21 zeros)

200 Qunitilion tonnes is 200000000000000000000 tonnes (2 followed by 20 zeros).

Planet Earth weight / 200 quintillion tonnes = 30.

Therefore All Star Superman would have had to be at least 30x stronger than shown to approach Pre-crisis Superman's strength.

As All Star Superman has not displayed the ability to move planets (of Earth's size), his upper strength limit is an unknown.

The only facts we have to go on are that from the top strength feats displayed, Pre-crisis Superman's are greater in scope.

Therefore until proven otherwise, All Star Superman is not as strong as Pre-crisisi Superman.

We can assume he is as strong but we cannot offer any proof to support this claim.

#17 Edited by lordraiden (6581 posts) - - Show Bio
King Saturn said:
"Strange Doctor said:
"I thought All-Star Superman was current Superman with his powers tripled when he went in the sun and he was immune to kryptonite. I don't have any comics with Composite Superman but isn't he 3 times as powerful as Silver Age Superman with the powers of the legion?
"
From what I have seen All Star Superman was suppose to be stronger than Silver Age Superman... now I dont know to what degree though
"

All Star Superman is based on PC Superman, as Morrison has stated/described! Nowhere has it been said/stated that he's stronger/weaker than PC Superman, just that he's based on PC Superman, which distinguishes him from current or any other Superman, so lets not speculate, shall we :-)
#18 Posted by lordraiden (6581 posts) - - Show Bio
Strange Doctor said:
"the creator said:
"King Saturn said:
And since All Star Superman's strength is somewhat superior to what the Superman of the Pre Crisis era has... I can see All Star Superman giving Composite Superman hell in the fight
"

No, All Star Superman can only lift 200 quintillion tonnes and this is less than the weight of the planet Earth. Pre-crisis Superman can move the Earth. Therefore Pre-crisis Superman is stronger.


As for winning, I would tend to back team 2 as composite superman can take All star Superman while Abraxas should take Kal Kent.

"
I thought they said that he was lifting 200 quintillion tons and they still couldn't find an upper body limit.
"

Nothing PC Supes was doing in his heyday (he actually grew much more powerfull than that)
#19 Posted by Triumphant (2316 posts) - - Show Bio

Kal Kent's team wins. Kal Kent can destroy planets by effortless will-power and strength. The dude can run faster than the speed of light with no energy being used.he also has additional powers such as super ESP, force vision, telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation, magic manipulation, heat manipulation, electicity manipulation and 10 senses! He's smarter than braniac-5 and has invisiblility powers. How does HE lose?

#20 Posted by King Saturn (222808 posts) - - Show Bio
lordraiden said:
"King Saturn said:
"Strange Doctor said:
"I thought All-Star Superman was current Superman with his powers tripled when he went in the sun and he was immune to kryptonite. I don't have any comics with Composite Superman but isn't he 3 times as powerful as Silver Age Superman with the powers of the legion?
"
From what I have seen All Star Superman was suppose to be stronger than Silver Age Superman... now I dont know to what degree though
"

All Star Superman is based on PC Superman, as Morrison has stated/described! Nowhere has it been said/stated that he's stronger/weaker than PC Superman, just that he's based on PC Superman, which distinguishes him from current or any other Superman, so lets not speculate, shall we :-)"
Ah Ha. I See. Well we will just leave at that I guess... but now I guess the next issue would be how strong exactly is Kal Kent compared to the opposition ?
#21 Posted by bee14ish (205 posts) - - Show Bio

@Triumphant: How does any of that matter when he is facing an entity that made entire universes collapse in on themselves by simply existing? That, and Composite Superman? No way, Team 2 stomps

#22 Posted by Killemall (16964 posts) - - Show Bio

@bee14ish said:

@Triumphant: How does any of that matter when he is facing an entity that made entire universes collapse in on themselves by simply existing? That, and Composite Superman? No way, Team 2 stomps

Cant comment much against Abraxas, he did kill multiple galactus from other realities so yeah he's insanely powerful, but this composite superman doesnt have much feats though. People tend to confuse this Composite Superman, which if memory serves correctly appeared in two Superman/Batman issue with the composite Superman pre-crisis, the latter of whom was powerful enough to beat the entire Justice League. Even this current Superman did have all their powers, much like Amazo, he was only said to have 1/10 of everyone's powers. Also he has huge mental problem and he killed himself.

Team 2 should definitely win, in a stomp if anything, but thats not because of Composite Superman (current) but rather because of Abraxas, Kal Kent should more than easily handle Composite Superman though.

#23 Posted by bee14ish (205 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall: Yeah, I read that Composite Superman was SA Supes with the powers of the Legion. Anyway, I was just saying it sounded like he was saying Kal and All Star could hurt Abraxas, and we all know that isn't true.

#24 Posted by Bo88gdan (4374 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 2 

#25 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

Abraxus solo's.

#26 Posted by lol (2708 posts) - - Show Bio
#27 Posted by mikep12 (3427 posts) - - Show Bio

@lol: Please don't bump these lol. This is clearly spite

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