ıf Kakashi use his Sharingan ..Bats in trouble..But he is not a liitle bite... He is tough too...Everyway kakashi and his sharingan take this....By the way ı dont like Anime vs Comics Hero
I'm not really an expert on Naruto characters, but can someone tell me just how powerful Kakashi really is?
Now, really, Batman 1M is like an overpowered (REALLY overpowered. Just so you can get the idea, he has an IQ of over 1000) regular Bats. He has basically super-strength, and although he isn't as strong as Superman, he's more or less in Spidey's class. Besides, he has mastered all of the martial arts on Earth and even some from other planets. 1M also has a lot more gadgets than the normal Batman.
Ugh, not to mention his Batsuit. It enhances his strength, speed and endurance by a lot, it allows him to manipulate gravity fields, create holograms, etc.
Now, I'm sorry for my opinion may be indeed wrong. So, just how powerful is Kakashi?
I'm not really an expert on Naruto characters, but can someone tell me just how powerful Kakashi really is?
Now, really, Batman 1M is like an overpowered (REALLY overpowered. Just so you can get the idea, he has an IQ of over 1000) regular Bats. He has basically super-strength, and although he isn't as strong as Superman, he's more or less in Spidey's class. Besides, he has mastered all of the martial arts on Earth and even some from other planets. 1M also has a lot more gadgets than the normal Batman.
Ugh, not to mention his Batsuit. It enhances his strength, speed and endurance by a lot, it allows him to manipulate gravity fields, create holograms, etc.
Now, I'm sorry for my opinion may be indeed wrong. So, just how powerful is Kakashi?
Kakashi is the 3rd best strategist in Naruto after Shikamaru and Shikaku, and the 1st best ninjetsu technician, he has soooo many ninjetsu technics that will give Batcy a headache, and i'm just talking about lower technics : invocations, Doton (earth technics), Suiton (water technics), Katon (fire technics)...etc. about higher technics he mastered : Raiton (lightning technics like shidori, Raikiri, Ryouken and Den’kou Nui...), Rasengan (Wind technic), Kage bunshin no jutsu (cloning technics).
all those technics are more than enough to blinkstomp Batman, and Kakashi won't even need to use his ultimate weapon (Sharingan) which provides him super powerful technics : copying technics and abilities, genjutsu (illusion technics), Tsukuyomi (powerful timeless illusion), amaterasu (inextinguishable black fire), Kamui (dimensional technic), and many others
so Kakashi will super overkill batman 1 million in seconds.
@the_mighty_Beyonder: HOLD UP THERE MR. FANBOY...Kakakshi can't use Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu. That being said, I still think he can take this. He has immense strength too, but there aren't a lot of feats to support it. His nanosecond reaction time and Sharingan should nullify Batmillion's speed advantage. The Sharingan also nullifies the combat skill advantage because he could master those too just through observation.
The question is here is lastability. If Batmillion can survive long enough, Kakashi will eventually pass out/die from exhaustion, but if Kakashi can end it quickly(say, in about 2 hours or so), then he wins this.
The raikiri can cut through anything(HE'S ALSO SAID TO HAVE CUT LIGHTNING, SO...MOAR REACTION FEATS), so the armor shouldn't be too much of a problem as far as lastability goes. Kakashi also has summons, dunno how that would help, but they're there.
so, I'm giving this to Kakashi by a REALLY SLIM margin, due to him having more abilities which could help him. I mean...you know...as long as his bad luck with killing people doesn't happen to pop up.
@the_mighty_Beyonder: HOLD UP THERE MR. FANBOY...Kakakshi can't use Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu. That being said, I still think he can take this. He has immense strength too, but there aren't a lot of feats to support it. His nanosecond reaction time and Sharingan should nullify Batmillion's speed advantage. The Sharingan also nullifies the combat skill advantage because he could master those too just through observation.
The question is here is lastability. If Batmillion can survive long enough, Kakashi will eventually pass out/die from exhaustion, but if Kakashi can end it quickly(say, in about 2 hours or so), then he wins this.
The raikiri can cut through anything(HE'S ALSO SAID TO HAVE CUT LIGHTNING, SO...MOAR REACTION FEATS), so the armor shouldn't be too much of a problem as far as lastability goes. Kakashi also has summons, dunno how that would help, but they're there.
so, I'm giving this to Kakashi by a REALLY SLIM margin, due to him having more abilities which could help him. I mean...you know...as long as his bad luck with killing people doesn't happen to pop up.
firsly, your rudeness is inexcusable!! i'm no Fanboy mister.
2ndly : i had mistyped that, i meant talking about Sharingan in general, true that Kakashi never used amaterasu or tsukuyomi.
3dly : Kakashi still blinkstomp Batcy, Batman will fall in genjutsu in the 1st second, then in the 2nd second Kakashi will strike him with Raikiri. END OF THE STORY.
Okay, I see your point...I must apologize for that...sorry...
but isn't Batman, like, immune/highly resistant to mental manipulation 'cause of his will or something?
That being said, Kakashi could still distract him(even for a little bit) with the Sharingan when they make eye contact and then just use Kamui on him. Makes things a lot faster...
Okay, I see your point...I must apologize for that...sorry...
but isn't Batman, like, immune/highly resistant to mental manipulation 'cause of his will or something?
That being said, Kakashi could still distract him(even for a little bit) with the Sharingan when they make eye contact and then just use Kamui on him. Makes things a lot faster...
mmm i didn't know that this version of Batman has TP, if so the fight will be more interesting but still Kakashi has so versatile technics that gives him upper hand, from Katon, Doton, to Raiton, Suiton and Kage bunshin
Kakashi's style would be so unpredictable that the Bats would be caught off guard. All of the jutsus combined with the sharingan and Kakashi's unorthodox approach would mean trouble. I go with 'Kashi.
Wow, there are too many Kakashi fanboys here. It's utterly ridiculous, so let me just clear up some misconceptions.
First, the sharingan =/= precog like a lot of people have been erroneously claiming. The only thing the sharingan does is takes an opponents movements and extrapolates what they will do based on how they're currently moving. It certainly gives the user a tactical advantage in h2h combat, but it really isn't anything that special. Here's Kakashi getting beaten up and then trapped in a water prison by Zabuza.
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And this was in volume 2. Kakashi is certainly great at h2h combat but he's not stomping Batman 1 million.
Second, the sharingan does allow someone to copy another person's fighting style (although there are some restrictions), but so what? If two people are experts in the same fighting style does this mean that the person who copied the fighting style will automatically stomp the other person just because they copied the fighting style perfectly? This doesn't make sense.
Third, Kakashi does have a vast array of ninjutsu (he's reputed to have over 1,000), but from what he's shown in the series, the only thing worth mentioning is Raikiri and/or Chidori (which, contrary to popular belief, never cut a lightning bolt in half). That's pretty much it. Kakashi doesn't have any big AofE attacks and the amount of damage he's shown to be capable of causing doesn't exceed building+. Kakashi is essentially a street leveler with a hax eye technique and some control over elemental manipulation. And quite honestly, none of the ninjutsu techniques that Kakashi has shown would make it through Batman 1 million's bat suit, not even the Raikiri and/or Chidori because Batman 1 million's bat suit can generate and absorb electricity.
Fourth, people have also been claiming that Kakashi can use genjutsu. Presumably he can since he has the sharingan, but IIRC he's never used it in a fight.
Fifth, the only thing that will allow Kakashi to win this fight is Kamui. That's it, and that's all. Without kamui, and going by feats instead of hyperbole, Kakashi gets sh!t stomped by Batman 1 million. Even with kamui, it's still debatable because Batman 1 million uses martial arts that involve both physical and TP based attacks, which Kakashi has absolutely no answer for.
Plus, IIRC Batman 1 million can even steal a person's soul with his tech. So, please stop overhyping Kakashi.
Wow, there are too many Kakashi fanboys here. It's utterly ridiculous, so let me just clear up some misconceptions.
You shouldn't call people you don't know as fanboys, man....
First, the sharingan =/= precog like a lot of people have been erroneously claiming. The only thing the sharingan does is takes an opponents movements and extrapolates what they will do based on how they're currently moving. It certainly gives the user a tactical advantage in h2h combat, but it really isn't anything that special.
Sharingan gives both, the ability to copy and to predict someone's movements... Unlike normal vision, it gives you the ability to view all the movements there in your field of view... Although even Kakashi said he couldn't see every movements from Rasenshuriken, since they were way too many...
Here's Kakashi getting beaten up and then trapped in a water prison by Zabuza.
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This is from the beggining of the series... Both his Sharingan and Kakashi himself are in whole another level right now... Not to mention Zabuza used mist ninjutsu in that fight so Kakashi wouldn't be able to copy his movements most of the time... Also, by the moment they got to the water, Zabuza got an immediate advantage, since his a Suiton user...
Second, the sharingan does allow someone to copy another person's fighting style (although there are some restrictions), but so what? If two people are experts in the same fighting style does this mean that the person who copied the fighting style will automatically stomp the other person just because they copied the fighting style perfectly? This doesn't make sense.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember of any restrictions for Sharingan in terms of Taijutsu... From what I remember, the only thing Sharingan can't copy are Kekkei Genkai jutsus...
And that's the thing... Kakashi already showed to be able to use Shadow Clones... Now imagine the situation... Kakashi copies Batmans H2H skills and create several Shadow Clones.... Batman would already have problems fighting someone with the exactly same H2H skills he have (Plus Kakashi beeing able to use Ninjutsu).... Now, can Batman fight several people in the same level as he is at the same time? I don't think so...
Third, Kakashi does have a vast array of ninjutsu (he's reputed to have over 1,000), but from what he's shown in the series, the only thing worth mentioning is Raikiri and/or Chidori (which, contrary to popular belief, never cut a lightning bolt in half). That's pretty much it.
Your wrong... When Kakashi and Gai fought Jinpachi and Kushimaru, episode 288 from Shippuden if I'm correct, there was a flashback that crearly shows how Kakashi's Chidori cut a lightning once... Just watch the episode again...
Kakashi doesn't have any big AofE attacks and the amount of damage he's shown to be capable of causing doesn't exceed building+. Kakashi is essentially a street leveler with a hax eye technique and some control over elemental manipulation. And quite honestly, none of the ninjutsu techniques that Kakashi has shown would make it through Batman 1 million's bat suit, not even the Raikiri and/or Chidori because Batman 1 million's bat suit can generate and absorb electricity.
OP never said they would have to kill each other to win... Kakashi doesn't have the need to pass Batman's Suit in this fight.... But using Kamui to pass only some part of Batman's body to the other dimension in order to kill him ia already more than enough to win the fight.... Can Batman Suit resist Kamui? I don't think so...
Fourth, people have also been claiming that Kakashi can use genjutsu. Presumably he can since he has the sharingan, but IIRC he's never used it in a fight.
In fact, although many people here said Kakashi could use Genjutsu on Batman, he simply can't... Batman doesn't have Chakra, so he can't be affected by Genjutsu...
Fifth, the only thing that will allow Kakashi to win this fight is Kamui. That's it, and that's all. Without kamui, and going by feats instead of hyperbole, Kakashi gets sh!t stomped by Batman 1 million. Even with kamui, it's still debatable because Batman 1 million uses martial arts that involve both physical and TP based attacks, which Kakashi has absolutely no answer for.
Just liek I said, Kakashi can copy (or use a clone to copy) Batman's H2H skills and then create Shadow Clone's.... It doesn't matter how good Batman can be in H2H.... He can't fight several Shadow Clones that have the exact same abilities as he does... If this wasn't enough, Kakashi still has a vast list of Ninjutsu he can use... Again, OP never established death as win condition... Kakashi can just incapacitate, seal or prevent him from moving and the win is already his...
Plus, IIRC Batman 1 million can even steal a person's soul with his tech. So, please stop overhyping Kakashi.
Kakashi already showed in his fight with Pain that he will always measure his opponent's powers and abilities... First of all he will use clone's to see how powerful Batman is... While that he can get Batman's skills via Sharingan, since shadow clone's transfer all the experience gather to the real person... He could use Shadow Clone's to attack while he stays from a safe distance... Because your scans only show TP in a small distance, we don't know what's the maximum distance of Batman's TP... And Batman only stole the person's soul when the person was already defeated... I doubt he can do it while fighting...
In my opinion, even Konan would have chances agaisn't Batman 1 Million
Wow, there are too many Kakashi fanboys here. It's utterly ridiculous, so let me just clear up some misconceptions.
you are a rude and irrespectable person to call all those people fanboys, and i noticed this is the same abusive language and inappropriate words you use everytime.
First, the sharingan =/= precog like a lot of people have been erroneously claiming. The only thing the sharingan does is takes an opponents movements and extrapolates what they will do based on how they're currently moving. It certainly gives the user a tactical advantage in h2h combat, but it really isn't anything that special.
wrong, completely wrong, Sharingan gives you the ability to read the opponent movements and to copy them perfectly, it also gives the ability to read hte shakra mouvement in body and to see through the soul, like when Sasuke saw The Nine Tails in Naruto's soul.
Here's Kakashi getting beaten up and then trapped in a water prison by Zabuza.
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you must be trolling, right? there is a huge difference between Kakashi in this scans and the latest Kakashi.
Second, the sharingan does allow someone to copy another person's fighting style (although there are some restrictions), but so what? If two people are experts in the same fighting style does this mean that the person who copied the fighting style will automatically stomp the other person just because they copied the fighting style perfectly? This doesn't make sense
you're the one who does not make sense!!! your assuming Kakashi is some coping robot or something? looool!!! Kakashi have his own fighting styles so if he copy Bat's style, he will have the upper hand in fighting styles pretty easily, and moreover he has many ninjetsu that will make him win in H2H fight by just yawning.
Third, Kakashi does have a vast array of ninjutsu (he's reputed to have over 1,000), but from what he's shown in the series, the only thing worth mentioning is Raikiri and/or Chidori (which, contrary to popular belief, never cut a lightning bolt in half). That's pretty much it.
1stly you insult people, then you make no sense arguments, and now you make ignorant statements (that you, you would call lies, but i'm not you). go watch again the serie, i won't even respond to that.
Fourth, people have also been claiming that Kakashi can use genjutsu. Presumably he can since he has the sharingan, but IIRC he's never used it in a fight.
so wrong again, stop making statements of pure ignorance!! Kakashi used Genjutsu many times, once against Sakura, once against Root shinobis, and many other times, and it doesn't need sharingan to use genjutsu in the 1st place.
Fifth, the only thing that will allow Kakashi to win this fight is Kamui. That's it, and that's all. Without kamui, and going by feats instead of hyperbole, Kakashi gets sh!t stomped by Batman 1 million. Even with kamui, it's still debatable because Batman 1 million uses martial arts that involve both physical and TP based attacks, which Kakashi has absolutely no answer for.
wahahaha!! you really make me laugh here!! 1stly Kakashi has the advantage in H2H fight, Kakashi has so versatile technics, he can kill, seal, capture, seize, knockout, imprison, trap, weaken, decapitate Batman.
Plus, IIRC Batman 1 million can even steal a person's soul with his tech. So, please stop overhyping Kakashi.
you're the only one overhyping here, Batcy stole soul of a knockout person, he can't use it in actual fight.
haters hate lovers love, Kakashi still overkill Batcy
Wow, there are too many Kakashi fanboys here. It's utterly ridiculous, so let me just clear up some misconceptions.
First, the sharingan =/= precog like a lot of people have been erroneously claiming. The only thing the sharingan does is takes an opponents movements and extrapolates what they will do based on how they're currently moving. It certainly gives the user a tactical advantage in h2h combat, but it really isn't anything that special. Here's Kakashi getting beaten up and then trapped in a water prison by Zabuza.
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And this was in volume 2. Kakashi is certainly great at h2h combat but he's not stomping Batman 1 million.
Second, the sharingan does allow someone to copy another person's fighting style (although there are some restrictions), but so what? If two people are experts in the same fighting style does this mean that the person who copied the fighting style will automatically stomp the other person just because they copied the fighting style perfectly? This doesn't make sense.
Third, Kakashi does have a vast array of ninjutsu (he's reputed to have over 1,000), but from what he's shown in the series, the only thing worth mentioning is Raikiri and/or Chidori (which, contrary to popular belief, never cut a lightning bolt in half). That's pretty much it. Kakashi doesn't have any big AofE attacks and the amount of damage he's shown to be capable of causing doesn't exceed building+. Kakashi is essentially a street leveler with a hax eye technique and some control over elemental manipulation. And quite honestly, none of the ninjutsu techniques that Kakashi has shown would make it through Batman 1 million's bat suit, not even the Raikiri and/or Chidori because Batman 1 million's bat suit can generate and absorb electricity.
Fourth, people have also been claiming that Kakashi can use genjutsu. Presumably he can since he has the sharingan, but IIRC he's never used it in a fight.
Fifth, the only thing that will allow Kakashi to win this fight is Kamui. That's it, and that's all. Without kamui, and going by feats instead of hyperbole, Kakashi gets sh!t stomped by Batman 1 million. Even with kamui, it's still debatable because Batman 1 million uses martial arts that involve both physical and TP based attacks, which Kakashi has absolutely no answer for.
Plus, IIRC Batman 1 million can even steal a person's soul with his tech. So, please stop overhyping Kakashi.
-You claim his only viable jutsu invovles lightning explain all of his fire/earth techniques he's used before?
-Bats only stole the soul of an unconscious person
-You claim he can't use Genjutsu but that's EXACTLY what he did vs Zabuza..
You shouldn't call people you don't know as fanboys, man....
This is what I call people who over-hype someone's abilities. We have a lot of people like this in this forum
Sharingan gives both, the ability to copy and to predict someone's movements... Unlike normal vision, it gives you the ability to view all the movements there in your field of view... Although even Kakashi said he couldn't see every movements from Rasenshuriken, since they were way too many...
First, how is this in anyway a response or refutation to what I said? You literally said the exact same thing I said, which is that the sharingan =/= precog. It allows you to predict someone's future movements by extrapolating from their current movements, but that's not precog. It's just predicting how someone will move. But the sharingan can't tell you what someone's plan in a fight is, what they're thinking, what jutsu they will use in the future, etc. Second, the sharingan does not give you the ability to view all movement in your field of vision. In fact, it was pointed out at the beginning of the series that the byakugan was superior in terms of seeing things within your field of vision. The byakugan allows a person to see everything in their field of vision in a 360 degree radius within a specified area, for example, pre-time skip Neji could detect every attack within a 50m radius. The sharingan does not allow you to do that.
This is from the beggining of the series... Both his Sharingan and Kakashi himself are in whole another level right now... Not to mention Zabuza used mist ninjutsu in that fight so Kakashi wouldn't be able to copy his movements most of the time... Also, by the moment they got to the water, Zabuza got an immediate advantage, since his a Suiton user...
First, this is not true. There's no evidence that Kakashi got better at using his 3 tomoe sharingan. Where are you getting this from? There's no evidence of this. Kakashi had already been using the 3 tomoe sharingan for at least a decade before the start of the series and had already received the moniker "Copy Ninja" Kakashi. The only thing Kakashi has gained with respect to his sharingan is the mangekyou sharingan. That's it. Second, in the scans I showed Zabuza did not use mist ninjutsu. You can clearly see from the scans that Zabuza bested Kakashi in h2h combat and then was captured in a water prison. Kakashi's vision was not obstructed in those scans. Third, and this is something I didn't point out before, but the sharingan can actually be obstructed. In other words, all Batman would have to do is throw a couple of smoke bombs at Kakashi, and the sharingan is effectively negated. Fourth, the fact that they were on the water doesn't matter for assessing the strength of the sharingan because the water doesn't give Zabuza an advantage with respect to h2h combat.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember of any restrictions for Sharingan in terms of Taijutsu... From what I remember, the only thing Sharingan can't copy are Kekkei Genkai jutsus... And that's the thing... Kakashi already showed to be able to use Shadow Clones... Now imagine the situation... Kakashi copies Batmans H2H skills and create several Shadow Clones.... Batman would already have problems fighting someone with the exactly same H2H skills he have (Plus Kakashi beeing able to use Ninjutsu).... Now, can Batman fight several people in the same level as he is at the same time? I don't think so...
First, there aren't restrictions to what moves the sharingan can copy, but just because you can copy something doesn't mean that you can actually do it. That's what I meant by restrictions. However, there's no evidence that Kakashi can copy Batman's TP-based martial arts, for example. Second, on several occasions it has been pointed out that Kakashi has severe limitations when it comes to chakura. Kakashi has never created "several" shadow clones. IIRC, the most I've ever seen him create was 1 or 2. In any event, once they get hit they dissipate anyway. Moreover, your argument doesn't make sense. If 2 people have the same exact h2h combat skills, why does one person get an advantage because they copied the other person's h2h combat skills? Batman 1 million has mastered all martial arts on Earth, but you think he'll have a problem fighting 2-3 people?! Even if Kakashi copied Batman's h2h, that's only one style. Batman knows hundreds of martial arts styles, Kakashi can't copy + use them all simultaneously.
Your wrong... When Kakashi and Gai fought Jinpachi and Kushimaru, episode 288 from Shippuden if I'm correct, there was a flashback that crearly shows how Kakashi's Chidori cut a lightning once... Just watch the episode again...
No, you're wrong. That was filler added to the anime, that never happened in the manga. Like I said, Kakashi never cut a bolt of lightning. That was hyperbole and legend surrounding the creation of Raikiri.
OP never said they would have to kill each other to win... Kakashi doesn't have the need to pass Batman's Suit in this fight.... But using Kamui to pass only some part of Batman's body to the other dimension in order to kill him ia already more than enough to win the fight.... Can Batman Suit resist Kamui? I don't think so...
I never said Batman would win. If you had been reading what I wrote, I clearly state the only thing Kakashi can use that will win the fight for him is kamui.
Just liek I said, Kakashi can copy (or use a clone to copy) Batman's H2H skills and then create Shadow Clone's.... It doesn't matter how good Batman can be in H2H.... He can't fight several Shadow Clones that have the exact same abilities as he does... If this wasn't enough, Kakashi still has a vast list of Ninjutsu he can use... Again, OP never established death as win condition... Kakashi can just incapacitate, seal or prevent him from moving and the win is already his...
This is wrong for reasons stated above. First, Kakashi has never created "several" shadow clones before, and he can't because of how little chakura he has. Second, shadow clones dissipate after they've been hit. Third, Kakashi can't beat Batman in h2h because he'd have to get through Batman's batsuit, and I don't see him doing that with kicks and punches. Fourth, Kakashi's ninjutsu techniques are all unimpressive.
Kakashi already showed in his fight with Pain that he will always measure his opponent's powers and abilities... First of all he will use clone's to see how powerful Batman is... While that he can get Batman's skills via Sharingan, since shadow clone's transfer all the experience gather to the real person... He could use Shadow Clone's to attack while he stays from a safe distance... Because your scans only show TP in a small distance, we don't know what's the maximum distance of Batman's TP... And Batman only stole the person's soul when the person was already defeated... I doubt he can do it while fighting...
I'm not sure why this matters. Kakashi can't beat Batman 1 million in h2h because I don't think he can get past the durability of the Batsuit, Kakashi's ninjutsu is unimpressive, and Raikiri/Chidori might not work. The only thing Kakashi can do is use kamui. That's it.
wrong, completely wrong, Sharingan gives you the ability to read the opponent movements and to copy them perfectly, it also gives the ability to read hte shakra mouvement in body and to see through the soul, like when Sasuke saw The Nine Tails in Naruto's soul.
LOL! You repeated the exact same thing I said, but I'm wrong? Just like I said before, the sharingan =/= precog. It's that simple. Second, the sharingan doesn't allow you to see through somebody's soul. Where are you getting this from? What Sasuke did to Naruto wasn't seeing through his soul; he saw the chakura of the 9 tailed fox inside the seal, that's all he saw. Third, this is an associative fallacy anyway. Sasuke sharingan is stronger than Kakashi's sharingan because he's a full blooded Uchiha, while Kakashi is not. Therefore, even if the sharingan can allow you to see through somebody's soul, there's no evidence that Kakashi can do this, therefore, it's inappropriate to attribute feats of one character to another. Fourth, even if it was true, seeing through somebody's soul is not something you can use to win a fight.
you must be trolling, right? there is a huge difference between Kakashi in this scans and the latest Kakashi.
This is just an assertion with no evidence or proof. Kakashi is the same person he was at the start of the series, the only difference is that he now has the magekyou sharingan. His sharingan hasn't gotten stronger, he hasn't gotten better in h2h combat, he's learned no new moves, etc. The only difference between Kakashi at the beginning of Naruto and Kakashi now is that he has mangekyou sharingan. That's it.
you're the one who does not make sense!!! your assuming Kakashi is some coping robot or something? looool!!! Kakashi have his own fighting styles so if he copy Bat's style, he will have the upper hand in fighting styles pretty easily, and moreover he has many ninjetsu that will make him win in H2H fight by just yawning.
Do you even know who Batman 1 million is? This version of Batman has mastered all martial arts styles on Earth--and even some from other planets. Do you think Kakashi is going to copy hundreds of fighting styles and use them all simultaneously in 1 fight? That's just silly. When it comes to h2h fighting styles, Batman clearly has the upperhand because he simply knows more than Kakashi and can, therefore, alter his style based on what the situation requires. Moreover, I keep hearing people claim Kakashi will just win because of ninjutsu. Can you provide scans? Just repeating that Kakashi will win is not evidence.
1stly you insult people, then you make no sense arguments, and now you make ignorant statements (that you, you would call lies, but i'm not you). go watch again the serie, i won't even respond to that.
Exactly. When you're pressed to provide evidence for your claims you don't have any, so you can't provide any. I just re-watched the entire Naruto Shippuuden anime series a couple of months ago, and I'm current with the manga. I've read Part 1 Naruto once, watched the anime once and watched Naruto Shippuuden twice. Show me some scans of Kakashi's most impressive ninjutsu.
so wrong again, stop making statements of pure ignorance!! Kakashi used Genjutsu many times, once against Sakura, once against Root shinobis, and many other times, and it doesn't need sharingan to use genjutsu in the 1st place.
Kakashi didn't use genjutsu "many times." He used it once while he was training Sakura and he used it again to knock out some Root members. And he never used genjutsu in a fight. Just like I said, IIRC Kakashi has never used genjutsu in an actual fight.
wahahaha!! you really make me laugh here!! 1stly Kakashi has the advantage in H2H fight, Kakashi has so versatile technics, he can kill, seal, capture, seize, knockout, imprison, trap, weaken, decapitate Batman.
Right... Kakashi has so many impressive ninjutsu techniues that you can't name a single one.
This is what I call people who over-hype someone's abilities. We have a lot of people like this in this forum
I do not see anyone here over-hyping about Kakashi's abilities... The thing is that you are the one underestimating Kakashi/overestimating Batman...
First, how is this in anyway a response or refutation to what I said? You literally said the exact same thing I said, which is that the sharingan =/= precog. It allows you to predict someone's future movements by extrapolating from their current movements, but that's not precog. It's just predicting how someone will move.
And can you tell me how this doesn't help in a battle?
First, how is this in anyway a response or refutation to But the sharingan can't tell you what someone's plan in a fight is, what they're thinking, what jutsu they will use in the future, etc. Second, the sharingan does not give you the ability to view all movement in your field of vision. In fact, it was pointed out at the beginning of the series that the byakugan was superior in terms of seeing things within your field of vision. The byakugan allows a person to see everything in their field of vision in a 360 degree radius within a specified area, for example, pre-time skip Neji could detect every attack within a 50m radius. The sharingan does not allow you to do that.
Do you know what field of vision means? I human eye field of vision is a maximum around 180 degrees, that's the only reason why Byakugan is "better", because it allows you to see things in 360 degrees radius... Now really, just think a little, which one is better? Byakugan who gives vision in a 360 degrees are and pressure chakra points or Sharingan, who allows you to copy Taijutsu, Ninjutsu, Genjutsu... Not to mention, extremely powerful Ninjutsu and Genjutsu it allows you to use....
First, this is not true. There's no evidence that Kakashi got better at using his 3 tomoe sharingan. Where are you getting this from? There's no evidence of this. Kakashi had already been using the 3 tomoe sharingan for at least a decade before the start of the series and had already received the moniker "Copy Ninja" Kakashi. The only thing Kakashi has gained with respect to his sharingan is the mangekyou sharingan.
And that's the point.... Anyone with basic knowledge of Naruto Universe and Sharingan can easily see how Mangekyou Sharingan is extremely more powerful than a 3 Tomoe Sharingan... His Sharingan is in another level...
Second, in the scans I showed Zabuza did not use mist ninjutsu.
Really? Did you even read the whole fight?
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Kakashi's vision was not obstructed in those scans.
Yes, it was... Just like I proved in my scans.... The thing is that once they showed Zabuza used the mist Ninjutsu, the writers would have to keep drawing a clean image.... If they draw the mist on the manga all the time it was there, readers wouldn't be able to see what was going on, making the battle really boring and worthless...
Third, and this is something I didn't point out before, but the sharingan can actually be obstructed. In other words, all Batman would have to do is throw a couple of smoke bombs at Kakashi, and the sharingan is effectively negated.
This means nothing... If some smoke bomb would somehow disturb Kakashi's vision, so it would do to Batman... BUT... When Kakashi fought Zabuza the second time... Zabuza's mist Ninjutsu was zero visibility, even so, Kakashi blocked several shurikens thrown in his direction... Some smoke bombs won't affect Kakashi
Fourth, the fact that they were on the water doesn't matter for assessing the strength of the sharingan because the water doesn't give Zabuza an advantage with respect to h2h combat.
Zabuza is a Suiton user, so it's obvious that it gives him instantly an advantage over Ninjutsu...
First, there aren't restrictions to what moves the sharingan can copy, but just because you can copy something doesn't mean that you can actually do it. That's what I meant by restrictions.
Then could you show me any examples of any situation when Kakashi wasn't able to do something he copied? Again, the anything Sharingan can't copy, which means it can't do, is Kekkei Genkai...
Kakashi has never created "several" shadow clones. IIRC, the most I've ever seen him create was 1 or 2.
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Seriously man, you should try to at least read the mangas again before saying things... OP never restricted Kakashi to Anime or Manga version only, although he did in both versions... Kakashi admited he had few chakra left, but still could create several Shadow Clones after his second fight with Zabuza
Batman 1 million has mastered all martial arts on Earth, but you think he'll have a problem fighting 2-3 people?! Even if Kakashi copied Batman's h2h, that's only one style. Batman knows hundreds of martial arts styles, Kakashi can't copy + use them all simultaneously.
Kakashi already has many showings when he was copying and using the technique copied simultaneously... Some examples:
- First fight with Zabuza, when he was copying and using Zabuza's technique at the same time..
- When Itachi and Kisame fought Asuma and Kurenai, Kisame was about to attack using Suiton when Kakashi copied and used the technique at the same time Kisame used it...
By the moment Batman changes his style or martial art, Kakashi will be able to copy it and instantly use it again't Batman... It like Batman would be trying to fight his on reflex in a mirror, anything he does, Kakashi will be able to do exactly the same way and at the same time...
No, you're wrong. That was filler added to the anime, that never happened in the manga. Like I said, Kakashi never cut a bolt of lightning. That was hyperbole and legend surrounding the creation of Raikiri.
Again, OP never restricted Kakashi's feat to Manga only... Anime feats are also valid here...
I never said Batman would win. If you had been reading what I wrote, I clearly state the only thing Kakashi can use that will win the fight for him is kamui.
I read it before replying, you don't know what I did or didn't read, so don't talk about things you don't have knowledge...
Back to the reply... I only replied that part because you said Kamui was the only winning option for Kakashi... I replied because it's obviously wrong...
This is wrong for reasons stated above. First, Kakashi has never created "several" shadow clones before, and he can't because of how little chakura he has.
Just like I said several times in this reply... Kakashi already created several Shadow Clone's in both Anime and Manga versions... He also admited he had few Chakra left when he created them, so Chakra won't be a problem to create this quantity of Shadow Clones...
Third, Kakashi can't beat Batman in h2h because he'd have to get through Batman's batsuit, and I don't see him doing that with kicks and punches
Batman has batsuit... Kakashi has Doton, Suiton, Raiton, Kamui, Mangekyou Sharingan... Batsuit can't resist all of these...
I'm not really an expert on Naruto characters, but can someone tell me just how powerful Kakashi really is?
Now, really, Batman 1M is like an overpowered (REALLY overpowered. Just so you can get the idea, he has an IQ of over 1000) regular Bats. He has basically super-strength, and although he isn't as strong as Superman, he's more or less in Spidey's class. Besides, he has mastered all of the martial arts on Earth and even some from other planets. 1M also has a lot more gadgets than the normal Batman.
Ugh, not to mention his Batsuit. It enhances his strength, speed and endurance by a lot, it allows him to manipulate gravity fields, create holograms, etc.
Now, I'm sorry for my opinion may be indeed wrong. So, just how powerful is Kakashi?
Kakashi is the 3rd best strategist in Naruto after Shikamaru and Shikaku, and the 1st best ninjetsu technician, he has soooo many ninjetsu technics that will give Batcy a headache, and i'm just talking about lower technics : invocations, Doton (earth technics), Suiton (water technics), Katon (fire technics)...etc. about higher technics he mastered : Raiton (lightning technics like shidori, Raikiri, Ryouken and Den’kou Nui...), Rasengan (Wind technic), Kage bunshin no jutsu (cloning technics).
all those technics are more than enough to blinkstomp Batman, and Kakashi won't even need to use his ultimate weapon (Sharingan) which provides him super powerful technics : copying technics and abilities, genjutsu (illusion technics), Tsukuyomi (powerful timeless illusion), amaterasu (inextinguishable black fire), Kamui (dimensional technic), and many others
so Kakashi will super overkill batman 1 million in seconds.
Hey, kakashi can't use amaterasu and tsukuyomi! He still takes it though..
LOL! You repeated the exact same thing I said, but I'm wrong? Just like I said before, the sharingan =/= precog. It's that simple. Second, the sharingan doesn't allow you to see through somebody's soul. Where are you getting this from? What Sasuke did to Naruto wasn't seeing through his soul; he saw the chakura of the 9 tailed fox inside the seal, that's all he saw.
wrong, Sasuke not just saw the 9 tails, he manifested in Naruto's mind and talked directly to Kyubi.
Third, this is an associative fallacy anyway. Sasuke sharingan is stronger than Kakashi's sharingan because he's a full blooded Uchiha, while Kakashi is not. Therefore, even if the sharingan can allow you to see through somebody's soul, there's no evidence that Kakashi can do this, therefore, it's inappropriate to attribute feats of one character to another. Fourth, even if it was true, seeing through somebody's soul is not something you can use to win a fight.
when exctly did i attribute that to Kakashi!!! you were talking about sharingan in general not Kakashi, and i responded according to that. Sharingan is not just a way to see the foe's movements and anticipate them like you claim, that's the point you're missing.
This is just an assertion with no evidence or proof. Kakashi is the same person he was at the start of the series, the only difference is that he now has the magekyou sharingan. His sharingan hasn't gotten stronger, he hasn't gotten better in h2h combat, he's learned no new moves, etc. The only difference between Kakashi at the beginning of Naruto and Kakashi now is that he has mangekyou sharingan. That's it
looooool !! do you read what you type? seriously!!?? what is Mangekyou Sharingan, a new fancy tie? or a new haircut? it's an ability, an overkilling ability, how does it make no difference!!!?? and besides that, Kakashi has improved he stated that many times when he talk about his new technics. how can you say with a straight face that he's learned no new moves, when it's mentionned. silly realy silly.
Do you even know who Batman 1 million is? This version of Batman has mastered all martial arts styles on Earth--and even some from other planets. Do you think Kakashi is going to copy hundreds of fighting styles and use them all simultaneously in 1 fight? That's just silly. When it comes to h2h fighting styles, Batman clearly has the upperhand because he simply knows more than Kakashi and can, therefore, alter his style based on what the situation requires.
now that's silly, so you're the only one right, and all those people on this thread are wrong, come on maaaan!! i mean come on!!! Kakashi already did it simultaneously in many occasions, and if you really read the manga as you claim you'll know that. Kakashi will copy all fighting styles that Batman will make, and use them simultaneously, plus other fighting styles that Kakashi have, that's a clear advantage to Kakashi in HtoH fight.
I keep hearing people claim Kakashi will just win because of ninjutsu. Can you provide scans? Just repeating that Kakashi will win is not evidence. Exactly. When you're pressed to provide evidence for your claims you don't have any, so you can't provide any. I just re-watched the entire Naruto Shippuuden anime series a couple of months ago, and I'm current with the manga. I've read Part 1 Naruto once, watched the anime once and watched Naruto Shippuuden twice. Show me some scans of Kakashi's most impressive ninjutsu.
Seriously man, you claim that you read manga and watched anime twice and still you say ignorant things like : Kakashi can't copy and attack simultaneously, or say in your 1st statement he can't use genjutsu, and now say his Ninjutsu is not impressive for Batman!!! i really doubt you read a single volume man!!
and if i assume you really read it, then you probably know about his technics :
Taijutsu : all technics he copied plus his own, and he has a great strenght as when he was able easily to lift and wield the giant blade of Zabuza.
invocations,
transformations, and mutilation technics
Doton (earth technics) he move fast and unnoticed underground or produce large earth walls for protection or enemy capture, also decapitation technic.
Suiton (water technics) that matched Zabuza's own technics.
Katon (fire technics)
Fuiton (wind technics) : Rasengan.
Raiton (lightning technics) like shidori, Raikiri, Ryouken and Den’kou Nui, Raiton Kage Bunshin
Kage bunshin no jutsu (cloning technics)
Genjutsu (illusions technics)
Kamui (dimensional technic)
also many other ninjetsu technics like Fuinjutsu (Sealing Technics)...
i won't waste my time bringing scans, Kakashi have all this amazing arsenal and you still say it's not impressive for Batman!!? just SHUT UP.
Kakashi didn't use genjutsu "many times." He used it once while he was training Sakura and he used it again to knock out some Root members. And he never used genjutsu in a fight. Just like I said, IIRC Kakashi has never used genjutsu in an actual fight
are you trollig!!!! how is it using genjutsu against skillful shinobis like ANBU and in fight training, not an ability to use in fight. really dull statement !!
i said it and i'll repeat it :
Kakashi has the advantage in H2H fight, Kakashi has so versatile technics, he can kill, seal, capture, seize, knockout, imprison, trap, weaken, decapitate Batman.
haters hate lovers love, Kakashi still overkill Batcy.
@the_mighty_Beyonder: Honestly, uberhikari has never been a person worth debating with. He usually misinterprets what you write, throws in his two cents and has a lot of wrong interpretations on facts, disappears and reappears in another thread doing the same again. If it makes you feel better, you're not the first person that had to go through this with him.
@SlimJ87D: yeah, you're right, and it's not my first time i have debate with him. moreover he always uses abusive language and inappropriate words, calling people liars and fanboys. pfffff
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