Kakashi & Might Guy vs Zoro and Sanji

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#1 Posted by sharingan_eyes (64 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

Rules- 
-Morals on, in character 
-Current versions of both teams  
-Random Encounter
-win via k.o, incapacitation or death  
-In this case, Genjutsu WILL work on the One Piece team, even if they do not have chakra.
-Fight takes place below 
 -Kakashi and Guy start off at Red X 
-Zoro and Sanji start off at Blue X 
 
 

who wins?? 
 
vs 
#2 Edited by RumbleMan_Exe (1544 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

Team two, massive difference in speed

Don't forget that both OP team have access to haki

#3 Posted by NeonGameWave (5107 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

Team 2 dominates.

Haki>>>Genjutsu

Zoro and Sanji`s speed>Kakashi and Might Guy`s speed.

#4 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1544 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@NeonGameWave:

#5 Posted by Ferdelance (2318 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@NeonGameWave said:

Team 2 dominates.

Haki>>>Genjutsu

Zoro and Sanji`s speed>Kakashi and Might Guy`s speed.

#6 Posted by NeonGameWave (5107 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@RumbleMan_Exe: LOL!

#7 Posted by SpeedForceSpider (900 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

Zoro solos.

#8 Posted by Skit (119 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

Current Snaji and Zoro roflstomp,especially since almost all of Gais nin and gen jutsus have been off screen so we don't to what extent he has them.End pre time skip would be a far fairer fight.

#9 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1544 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@SpeedForceSpider: @Skit:

5 seconds

:D

or the latest

5 minutes

#10 Posted by monarch_prime (307 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@NeonGameWave said:

Team 2 dominates.

Haki>>>Genjutsu

Zoro and Sanji`s speed>Kakashi and Might Guy`s speed.

#11 Posted by ghost_rider1 (2640 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

Zoro and sangi win this unless kakshi can get them in a genjutsu....and why is ppl saying haki is stronger than genjutsu....which is not correct by the way....high level genjutsu can kill someone and even manipulate ur perception of time. Zoro and sangi can't do King's haki.

#12 Posted by redbird3rdboywonder (3299 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

Random encouter with morals : Team Strawhats

Morals off: Kakkashi solos with Kamui

#13 Posted by ghost_rider1 (2640 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio
@redbird3rdboywonder

Random encouter with morals : Team Strawhats

Morals off: Kakkashi solos with Kamui

This
#14 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (4565 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

Isn't team 1 being underestimated here? kakashi has kamui, and having a lot of water around means he'll be using a lot of water techs.. he's also very versatile.. I think they won't have problems with kakashi's genjutsus..itachi is the guy with the dangerous genjutsus..

And Gai's speed with gates off seemed quite something to me..

#15 Posted by D3athstroke (3655 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

Guy solos with Morning Tiger

#16 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1544 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@redbird3rdboywonder: observation haki

@ghost_rider1: high level genjutsu which kakashi does not possess

@D3athstroke: if he gets time to prep it

#17 Posted by D3athstroke (3655 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@RumbleMan_Exe said:

@redbird3rdboywonder: observation haki

@ghost_rider1: high level genjutsu which kakashi does not possess

@D3athstroke: if he gets time to prep it

Tiger does not need any prep time

Guy did it instantly against Madara and took him out for whole chapter

#18 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1544 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@D3athstroke: Team 2 will see it coming and intercept with CoO

#19 Posted by D3athstroke (3655 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@RumbleMan_Exe said:

@D3athstroke: Team 2 will see it coming and intercept with CoO

No observation Haki does not work like that

It cant see future it can sense danger or movement and there is no way that they will know about its exploding power or speed or range

Morning Tiger is Just a punch

#20 Posted by ghost_rider1 (2640 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio
@RumbleMan_Exe

He doesn't need high level genjutsu....putting them into a genjuts period will end this fight. Observation haki won't protect them from genjutsu when he cast them in it just by looking at kakashi.
#21 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1544 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@D3athstroke:

Punches don't look like that (there was a fist thing before)

@ghost_rider1:

Speed wise/strength wise they can oneshot kakashi (gai is the big deal here)

#22 Posted by ghost_rider1 (2640 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio
@RumbleMan_Exe

If they can get a hit on kakashi is the question....he don't have the durability of guy. But....he is a master of deception. For example, substitution jutsu and shadow clones will work to his advantage. Zoro and Sangi are straight forward and don't use tricks in combat. Kakashi is a totally different fighter from sangi and zoro and they can be deceived by clones and substitutions which will give kakshi a chance to deliver a fatal blow from behind once their guard is down
#23 Posted by D3athstroke (3655 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@RumbleMan_Exe: How about reading manga instead of Randomly posting pictures from it ?

#24 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1544 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@ghost_rider1: They can tank big attacks dude (will get scans later)

they go to the jugular and their attacks have big AoE

guy is not that durable either as he is more of a dodger

Sanji/Zoro have better stats than kakashi

@D3athstroke: at latest point where they bum rush madara and tobi

#25 Posted by PlasticBag (1222 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@D3athstroke: When did it take Madara out for a whole chapter?

Also Team 2 wins. Sanji and Zoro are a whole new level.

#26 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (4565 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@RumbleMan_Exe said:

@ghost_rider1: They can tank big attacks dude (will get scans later)

they go to the jugular and their attacks have big AoE

guy is not that durable either as he is more of a dodger

Sanji/Zoro have better stats than kakashi

It was a focused attack, meant to do collateral damage.. and Imo kakashi's the one to worry about, more than Gai..

#27 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1544 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@PrinceAragorn1: naw, kakashi is glass cannon and gai have bigger damage attack

morning tiger > kamui

#28 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (4565 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@RumbleMan_Exe said:

@PrinceAragorn1: naw, kakashi is glass cannon and gai have bigger damage attack

morning tiger > kamui

Morning tiger is more destructive.. kamui is much more precise.. for example, kakashi could just flick kisame's head off, even if he tries throwing giant shark missile.. He is not very durable, but hitting him is the real problem..

#29 Posted by saiyan_earthling (4991 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

Team 2 wins due to their superior speed, strength, haki and more destructive capabilities.

#30 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1544 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@PrinceAragorn1: Just like against deidara

#31 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (4565 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@RumbleMan_Exe said:

@PrinceAragorn1: Just like against deidara

er.. where does deidara come in?

#32 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1544 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@PrinceAragorn1: kakashi aimed for head, deidara ducked and arm got sucked instead

#33 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (4565 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@RumbleMan_Exe said:

@PrinceAragorn1: kakashi aimed for head, deidara ducked and arm got sucked instead

Afternoon tiger could've been countered by c3 or c4.. kamui couldn't. That's my point.

#34 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1544 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@PrinceAragorn1: lets not derail

but if deidara is in range he will get vaped

#35 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (4565 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@RumbleMan_Exe said:

@PrinceAragorn1: lets not derail

but if deidara is in range he will get vaped

we're not derailing. Depends on how quick he switches to neutralise it.. but still, it'd bad for both of them.. unlike kisame, deidara was a long range guy. Not a good speculation he'd go near gai.. and his tendency to dodge,like when he fought Gaara.at that range, they'd both be swallowed up in explosions. but kamui isn't the thing that makes kakashi dangerous.. his fire, water, electric manipulation, sharingan, clones, strategy do.

#36 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1544 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@PrinceAragorn1: To the guys in team 2 only threat is kamui

fire - kakashi's jutsu is average at that department

water - they don't have devil fruit weakness

electric - they had worse (enel)

clones- go poof in one hit

sharingan- illusions?

#37 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (4565 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@RumbleMan_Exe said:

@PrinceAragorn1: To the guys in team 2 only threat is kamui

fire - kakashi's jutsu is average at that department

water - they don't have devil fruit weakness

electric - they had worse (enel)

clones- go poof in one hit

sharingan- illusions?

seriously?

No.

Fire: average fire can still hurt.

water: not talking about devil fruit weakness. Water dragon missiles, water clones for distraction etc..

electric: enel's lightening was like a regular one. Kakashi uses it assasinate by piercing heart. None of them are surviving a destroyed heart.

Clones: used as distraction. Meant to go poof in a hit, if you don't know. Replacement jutsus could work too.

sharingan- watching the next move complety. illusions. Zorro cutting sanji down, or getting hit by his kick. not likely, I agree.

#38 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1544 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@PrinceAragorn1:

Fire: average fire can still hurt.

sanji is resistant and can deal greater fire damage

water: not talking about devil fruit weakness. Water dragon missiles, water clones for distraction etc..

water clones is a zabuza thing, I need scans for that one plus zoro and sanji can tank the dragons

#39 Posted by Skit (119 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@RumbleMan_Exe: You forgot the most powerful and important.Kakashi and Gai's summons,what will Zoro and Sanji do against ninja dogs or ninja turtles.

#40 Edited by RumbleMan_Exe (1544 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@Skit: They will do nothing, in OP giant monsters/summons have been one shotted since chapter 1

EDIT: dogs are small

#41 Posted by ghost_rider1 (2640 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio
@RumbleMan_Exe

Kakashi can use water clones...any type of distraction can win this fight. Just cause OP have higher physical stats doesn't mean they gonna win here. Zoro or sangi will think they killed kakashi when it is actually a clone and as soon as they think he's dead kakashi strike from behind with a lightning blade to their heart. Physical stats will only get u so far in the narutoverse
#42 Edited by RumbleMan_Exe (1544 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@ghost_rider1: Well in narutoverse they have very weak durability

and you did not take account their crazy reflexes

#43 Posted by ghost_rider1 (2640 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio
@RumbleMan_Exe

@ghost_rider1: Well in narutoverse they have very weak durability

and you did not take account their crazy reflexes

Their durability isn't as impressive as OP....but a lightning blade thru their heart won't matter anyway cuz it will kill them instantly. And I know all about their reflexes but when their guard is completely down and he attack from behind or come up from underground. No reflexes will save them in time cuz they won't see it coming...kakashi is extremely fast himself
#44 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1544 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@ghost_rider1: haki is the word

and stats is important in narutoverse, how do you think raikage/tsunade got their positions?

#45 Posted by ghost_rider1 (2640 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio
@RumbleMan_Exe

@ghost_rider1: haki is the word

and stats is important in narutoverse, how do you think raikage/tsunade got their positions?

Even ppl with haki still get hurt or injured so haki isn't gonna save them like u seem to think...and stats are not nearly as important as u seem to think also. Might guy is stronger and faster than kakashi....but he still can't beat him. Rock Lee was stronger and faster than gaara....but lee still lost. Sakura is physically stronger than sasuke and naruo but she is no match for either one of them. Kiba is faster than shino...but he won't win against shino in a fight....tsunade is physically stronger than jiraiya and orochimaru but she can't beat neither of them one on one. Tsunade is hokage not just because of her strength. She is the BEST medical ninja in the narutoverse and is master of summong techniques also. Her strength is just an added benefit of he becoming hokage. And its not just raikage speed....but its also his skills in chakra flow for him to use lightning release body armor. Physical stats does play a part in a ninja skills. But that's not all it depends on. U can be stronger and faster than someone and still lose in the ninja world
#46 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1544 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@ghost_rider1: lets not derail

  • and what makes you think might guy can't beat kakashi (7 gates or less should do)
  • sakura is not stronger than naruto (dude has kyuubi chakra and adage mode)
  • they have not fight yet (kiba vs shine)

people with haki got hurt by others with haki

#47 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (3234 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@RumbleMan_Exe said:

people with haki got hurt by others with haki

I agree with this. Notice how Luffy can't lay a finger on Hawk Eye Mihawk.

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#48 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1544 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity: haki or strong enough fruit,

in akainu's case its both

#49 Posted by ghost_rider1 (2640 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio
@RumbleMan_Exe

@ghost_rider1: lets not derail

  • and what makes you think might guy can't beat kakashi (7 gates or less should do)
  • sakura is not stronger than naruto (dude has kyuubi chakra and adage mode)
  • they have not fight yet (kiba vs shine)

people with haki got hurt by others with haki

Its been said that kakashi is the most powerful jonin in the leaf village. And as for naruto I wasn't talkin about kyuubi or sage naruto....I'm talkin about normal naruto. And whitebeard also know how to use haki. But he got injured by gunshots, stab wounds from the navy and akainu. Haki didn't save him from all that. Enel got hit by luffy lots of times and his haki(which was called mantra) didn't save him from luffy hits or zoro and that other guy from hitting him. And none of them knew how to use haki back then
#50 Posted by RumbleMan_Exe (1544 posts) - 5 months, 12 days ago - Show Bio

@ghost_rider1:

  • WB is past his prime and on his deathbed
  • It is also said in naruto that Kakashi and Gai are rivals
  • In the case of enel it is because of natural weakess of his DF
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