#1 Posted by Strider92 (16517 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaine

Vs

Deathstroke

-Morals On

-No Prep

-Standard Gear

Location:

#2 Posted by The_Question_ (21 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably Deathstroke. His durability is key.

#3 Posted by matchesmalone21 (8790 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke wins

#4 Posted by cosmicallyaware1 (4337 posts) - - Show Bio

Wha??? Kaine all the way......

#5 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (5068 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaine pretty easily.

#6 Posted by ChaosMarvel (997 posts) - - Show Bio
#7 Posted by Alexander505 (2144 posts) - - Show Bio

Slade....maybe.

#8 Posted by Trigon (128 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaine wins. He stronger and faster.

#9 Posted by The_Question_ (21 posts) - - Show Bio

Lovely reasoning by the Kaine supporters.

#10 Edited by k4tzm4n (44479 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Question_ said:

Lovely reasoning by the Kaine supporters.

He's got bigger muscles, yo.

@The_Question_ said:

Probably Deathstroke. His durability is key.

I agree with this. I think Kaine physicals means he's going to land additional hits, and Slade's ability to withstand them and remain in the fight are critical. It'll essentially be an endurance game for him. He has the skill and means to take Kaine down - it's just a matter of (painful) time before he does so.

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#11 Edited by matchesmalone21 (8790 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub: @Trigon: @cosmicallyaware1: Nope..standart gears,so Deathstroke has the NTH metal armor which makes it able to withstand punches from Lobo and gives a incredible healing factor (despite Slade has his own healing factor)

#12 Posted by k4tzm4n (44479 posts) - - Show Bio

@ChaosMarvel said:

Truly an awesome moment, but directed at a character far less competent than Slade.

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#13 Posted by ChaosMarvel (997 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: My main reason for supporting Kaine here is stats combined with the mark of Kaine. Classic Kaine was fast enough to speedblitz Spider-man as well as take on Parker, Reilly and Spidercide at the same time. Slade would be hard pressed to land a hit. Once Kaine realize's his attacks aren't getting though he'll change tactic. Either drop part of a building on him (like Kaine did to Rhino) or use the mark to burn through Slades armor. I'm not sure how well Slade's armor would resist the mark. Kaine was burning through concrete with it quite easily.

#14 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: Are we basing Slade's durability off of the ridiculous right he had with Lobo?

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#15 Posted by ChaosBlazer (3930 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub said:

Kaine pretty easily.

yep.

@The_Question_ said:

Lovely reasoning by the Kaine supporters.

we don't need it. Kaine took on Spidercide, Spiderman and Ben Reilly on at the same time. He's way too powerful for Deathstroke to put him down.

#16 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (5068 posts) - - Show Bio

Classic Kaine is far superior to DS physically in every way. He once took on Peter, Ben and Spidercide. He's definitely stronger than Peter so that at least makes home in the 11 ton range. Not to mention his precog is superior to Peters since he can catch glimpses of the future. I think people are confusing Kaine with current Scarlet Spider(I know same character, different power level). Classic Kaine>current Kaine.

#17 Posted by ChaosBlazer (3930 posts) - - Show Bio

@matchesmalone21 said:

@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub: @Trigon: @cosmicallyaware1: Nope..standart gears,so Deathstroke has the NTH metal armor which makes it able to withstand punches from Lobo and gives a incredible healing factor (despite Slade has his own healing factor)

what are you talking about? The suit doesn't give him any healing factor. Slade can control his healing factor with a though, his suit doesn't amp that.

Lobo has been massively depowered in the new 52, he has no strength feats anyways, so withstanding punches from him isn't a good durability feat at all. Slade's suit has been cut by simple bladed weapons, and is pretty inconsistent as well. It has blocked helicopter machine gun fire, but also been pierced by a regular handgun.

#18 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (5068 posts) - - Show Bio

Btw you don't need reasoning when it's painfully obvious.

#19 Posted by ChaosBlazer (3930 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deranged Midget said:

@k4tzm4n: Are we basing Slade's durability off of the ridiculous right he had with Lobo?

that would be silly. Lobo has been nerfed to street level and he has no other feats of strength besides his fight with Slade. Also, this was all written by Liefeld so we already know it's horrible, inconsistent writing.

#20 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaine is far faster, stronger, and has an extremely powerful spider-sense. He has the mark of Kaine, which would eventually burn through DS's armor, and DS has little chance of hitting him. He's faster than Spidey and has better precog, and he's shown several times that he's willing to use the environment to his advantage. He dropped a building on Rhino, and he can tear huge chunks of concrete to use as melee weapons. He'll batter Slade to pieces long before Slade can get in a meaningful tag. Finally, he has webbing which could incapacitate, or at least slow, Slade. I just don't see Deathstroke taking a foe so far superior in, well, everything.

#21 Posted by ImTheDamnBatman (3548 posts) - - Show Bio

Slade wins here.

#22 Posted by ChaosMarvel (997 posts) - - Show Bio

Not sure how Slade could counter this.....

#23 Posted by Strider92 (16517 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

@ChaosMarvel said:

Truly an awesome moment, but directed at a character far less competent than Slade.

Seeing this makes me miss Stegmans pencils T.T

#24 Edited by The_Question_ (21 posts) - - Show Bio
@ChaosBlazer said:

@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub said:

Kaine pretty easily.

yep.

@The_Question_ said:

Lovely reasoning by the Kaine supporters.

we don't need it. Kaine took on Spidercide, Spiderman and Ben Reilly on at the same time. 

Nope
 
Don't use out of context feats. Spidercide was the one was who took on Ben, Kaine and Spider-Man, not Kaine. It occurred once he achieved his final form, at first he simply was another clone like all others.  Kaine has had issues with Ben, Peter and even Vladimir Kravinoff 1on1 many times during the Clone Saga and has been given a run for his money and even lost on several of those encounters.
 

He's way too powerful for Deathstroke to put him down. 


 
Then proving it should be easy, shouldn't it? 
 

@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub

said:

Btw you don't need reasoning when it's painfully obvious.

What is painfully obvious is that no one knows a thing about the characters involved.
#25 Posted by ChaosBlazer (3930 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Question_:

well for starters how will DS survive from this?

@ChaosMarvel said:

Not sure how Slade could counter this.....

#26 Posted by BringnIt (3809 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't ever remember Kaine doing anything I'd define as a speed blitz. He's also vulnerable to stabbing damage and not a great proven dodger. His precog isn't particularly useful in combat, either. For his good showings, he did lose to Peter once and Jackal took it to him as well. I'm inclined to say Scarlet Spider Kaine is a better matchup.

#27 Posted by ChaosMarvel (997 posts) - - Show Bio

@BringnIt said:

I don't ever remember Kaine doing anything I'd define as a speed blitz.

#28 Posted by BringnIt (3809 posts) - - Show Bio

That's a decent reflex feat, but it's not a speed blitz. It also begins with him getting tagged. Considering Slade's weaponry, Kaine can't afford to get tagged like that.

#29 Posted by k4tzm4n (44479 posts) - - Show Bio

@ChaosBlazer: @The_Question_:

The_Question_ has reached the 5 posts per day limit, so he/she reached out to me with their next post via a PM:

Honest question, but have you at all read Deathstroke's New 52 series? Legacy threw a submarine on him and while injured, he was not knocked out and kept on fighting, and on another occasion he had a building explode and collapse on him (he pressed the detonator himself while inside to make a point), and came out completely unscathed. Kaine throwing a small part of a side of building won't do much of anything to him, not to mention, it's a move he only ever used employed once in his entire existence. Hardly the tactic you'd build a case on.

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#30 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaine.