#1 Posted by DeadlyCarnage (256 posts) - - Show Bio

Location: Hell's Kitchen.

Both are in character.

No prep.

Standard winning conditions.

Versions are in the images below.

Who wins?

#2 Posted by SheenLantern (6627 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaine has no way to win.

#3 Edited by Strider92 (16434 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaine has no way to win.

Well Classic Kaine was able to give Carnage a tussle who even admitted that Kaine hurt him via his molecular burning touch.

#4 Posted by Dreadpool10 (878 posts) - - Show Bio

Toxin is more powerful than Venom and Carnage combined. Not to mention Toxin can only feel a certain extent of pain. Also Toxin is much more resistant to pain then Venom and Carnage.

#5 Posted by SheenLantern (6627 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92: Damn, Kaine really is a badass.

Still, Toxin would mop the floor with Carnage, and I don't think Kaine would stand much of a chance.

#6 Posted by Strider92 (16434 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern: I agree Patrick as Toxin was a complete boss. Classic Kaine could beat current Eddie-Toxin though. Was just pointing out that Kaine could hurt him but yeah.....Pat-Toxin wins!

#7 Edited by Killemall (18564 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern: Current Toxin has had a horrible run thus far. He lost to Venom three in a row, every time with plot though. While Kaine on the other hand now has the other powers seems more badass (at least as of last issue)

@strider92: any speculation on what the stinger of Kaine might do to a symboite? Have we see how that plays out before?

#8 Edited by Juiceboks (8945 posts) - - Show Bio

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@dreadpool10 said:

Toxin is more powerful than Venom and Carnage combined. Not to mention Toxin can only feel a certain extent of pain. Also Toxin is much more resistant to pain then Venom and Carnage.

Toxin can be incapacitated the same way Venom and Carnage can. He may be stronger but as far as durability goes they're roughly the same.

#9 Posted by Strider92 (16434 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall: Classic Kaine's stingers never really did much. They were kinda like X-23 claws but thats about it so would have as much effect on a symbiote as any other stabbing weapon (so not much). Current Kaine's stingers are supposedly the same as Peter's when he had the "Other" so they can inject a poison that was strong enough to paralyze a 30tonner nigh-instantly. However given how symbiotes tend to shrug off poison (with the exception of current Venom who seems to be very susceptible to them) they probably wouldn't do much. So imo both pre-Scarlet Spider and post-Scarlet Spider Kaine's stingers probably wouldn't be much use.

#10 Edited by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

classic kaine

though i'm not sure, current toxins damage soak is pretty insane.

#11 Edited by jashro44 (21532 posts) - - Show Bio

Not really sure why everyone is saying brock would lose. He has rag dolled flash around in there first fight and there 3rd fight. And honestly toxin going down the way he did in the above scans is PIS. Toxin is suppose to have more resistance to sonics and brock has a lot of pain tolerance feats to say that shouldn't be a big deal.

#12 Edited by GraniteSoldier (7727 posts) - - Show Bio

Just so I am clear doesn't the OP say the versions in the scans? So wouldn't that mean this is Patrick Mulligan Toxin? Not Brock Toxin?

#13 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern: I agree Patrick as Toxin was a complete boss. Classic Kaine could beat current Eddie-Toxin though. Was just pointing out that Kaine could hurt him but yeah.....Pat-Toxin wins!

Agreed.

@sheenlantern: Current Toxin has had a horrible run thus far. He lost to Venom three in a row, every time with plot though. While Kaine on the other hand now has the other powers seems more badass (at least as of last issue)

@strider92: any speculation on what the stinger of Kaine might do to a symboite? Have we see how that plays out before?

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@dreadpool10 said:

Toxin is more powerful than Venom and Carnage combined. Not to mention Toxin can only feel a certain extent of pain. Also Toxin is much more resistant to pain then Venom and Carnage.

Toxin can be incapacitated the same way Venom and Carnage can. He may be stronger but as far as durability goes they're roughly the same.

Its worth noting the Toxin showed is Pat Toxin, who thus far been superior to Eddie Toxin in all areas and feats.

Beats Carnage.

Beats Carnage again.

Beats Wrecker and Pile Driver at the same time.

The point is clear. Eddie Toxin > Classic Kaine > Patrick Toxin.

That is a pic of Patrick Toxin, that is the Toxin we are using then and that Toxin Spanks Classic Kaine.

#14 Posted by God_Spawn (37872 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92: current venom was filtering out poison when fighting the ufoes just fine. Was it earlier issues with remender? I've read more of bunn's run but from what I've read of remender's run he didn't seem to have a good of a grasp bunn does who did make poisonous gas useless against him the last time someone tried it on venom

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#15 Posted by God_Spawn (37872 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92: current venom was filtering out poison when fighting the ufoes just fine. Was it earlier issues with remender? I've read more of bunn's run but from what I've read of remender's run he didn't seem to have a good of a grasp bunn does who did make poisonous gas useless against him the last time someone tried it on venom

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#16 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

changed my mind

I can't Say which of these two would win, Classic kaine is seriously powerful and he does have a god chance of winning, and eddie is insanely powerful as well.

I think i'd give eddie a slight edge here, his damage soak and healing factor is hust to damn good, and he is really strong to go along with everything. guy had his arm torn off and re-attached it,

Oh and Flash beating toxin with sound and fire was PIS/CIS, toxin is immune to these things unlike the others, remender didn't treat eddie right.

#17 Edited by TDK_1997 (14891 posts) - - Show Bio

Toxin should be able to do it.

#18 Edited by laflux (15868 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92: current venom was filtering out poison when fighting the ufoes just fine. Was it earlier issues with remender? I've read more of bunn's run but from what I've read of remender's run he didn't seem to have a good of a grasp bunn does who did make poisonous gas useless against him the last time someone tried it on venom

I think when people note Flashes weakness they refer to his fight with Kraven, a few issues later, he said he still was not feeling 100 percent, although he did have a block busting battle with a nigh morals off Peter Parker between that those two events.

#19 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Toxin can win.

#20 Edited by New_World_Order (13182 posts) - - Show Bio

Classic Kaine possibly.

#21 Edited by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

Toxin in a good fight.

#22 Posted by wearevenom87 (64 posts) - - Show Bio

Toxin especially eddie but Patrick can still win

#23 Posted by dondave (37299 posts) - - Show Bio

Toxin

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#24 Edited by oceanmaster21 (7971 posts) - - Show Bio

@juiceboks: cud go either way

and what scan was that from i wanna read that issye