Rules:
- Morals On
- Win by Incap, KO or Death
- Logan is Pre-Cornel, Slade is Pre-52 and New-52 Feats/Gear
- Location: NYC
- Standard Gear
- Who Wins and Why?
@wolverine08: @jashro44: @dondave: @laflux: @reaverlation: @i_like_swords: @monsterstomp:
Thoughts?
Definitely Team 2.
Eh, Cap holds back his team. I'm personally not too sure.
Kaine vs Wolverine - Adamantium, healing, claws, skill - no way for Logan to lose if he's fighting properly. Sans venom sting, which Kaine isn't skilled enough to land.
Kaine vs Black Panther - Panther's current gear should be sufficient to dispatch Kaine in conjunction with his astronomically superior skill.
Kaine vs Captain America - Cap isn't skilled enough to compensate for Kaine's stats, and has no gear to compensate either. Kaine would turn him into paste.
Deathstroke vs Wolverine - Wolverine is more skilled, far better endurance through his healing, and has better offence through his claws.
Deathstroke vs Black Panther - Close fight, but T'Challa is more skilled with equivalent stats, and likely has better gear too.
Deathstroke vs Captain America - Slade is better in every way, except for raw skill, perhaps.
Blade vs Wolverine - Wolverine has better skill and better healing, which more than compensates for Blade's main advantage of strength.
Blade vs Black Panther - Same as above, except replace healing with gear.
Blade vs Captain America - Better all around physically, can soak Cap's best hits without any real issue.
Pattern here is that Wolverine and Panther can beat anyone on the other team, while everyone on the other team can beat Cap. Going with team two, because Cap isn't such a massive weak link that this'll become a 3v2 before Blade is also taken out.
@wolverine08: I'm not so sure about that. The Captain doesn't really belong here in my opinion. I see any of team one taking him out handily. Slade and Blade vs. Black Panther has an obvious winner in my opinion. (The duo.) And Kaine could stall Wolverine. (If not beat him.)
@i_like_swords: Nice explanation
Definitely Team 2.
Eh, Cap holds back his team. I'm personally not too sure.
As long as he spars with Blade he isn't going to be the down fall of Team 2 IMO.
Great match up. Honestly I think team 1 has the advantage. I believe Kaine, Deathstroke, or Blade can take the Captain.
I'm a Captain America fan, but in this battle I believe he's the weak link. And the moment he goes down it will be 2 against 3.
Once again great match up.
Kaine is a 50/50 split with Panther and Logan, and should beat Cap. Deathstroke should lose to Panther and Logan, but should beat Cap. Blade should lose to Logan and Panther, and I'd honestly argue Cap taking a slim majority over him despite Blades impressive resume.
Either way I think more matchup fall in team 2s favor. Not to mention teamwork. You have a villain in Deathstroke, a non team player in Kaine, and then Blade who prefers to operate alone. Then you have three Avengers. Teamwork, more favorable matchups, team 2 has this.
@i_like_swords: Even if we agree with those, which I don't fully the nature of the fight matter as much as who is going to win them. Slade, Kaine and to a lesser extent Blade are going to take out Cap fairly quickly.
Slade will give Logan a very tough time before going down. I am of the belief that Kaine splits Logan in a fight TBH, and while Blade will lose, his healing factor, adamantuim sword and good (though inferior skill) will enable him to last a while. A similiar thing happens if we put Slade and Blade against Current Black Panther (I don't believe current T'Challa has the damage soak to beat Kaine, and his teleporter is only going to do so much, espicially since he has to worry about other oppenents joining in as well). In fact, the fact that there are lots of guys here favors Slade and his multitasking abilites.
Definitely Team 2.
Eh, Cap holds back his team. I'm personally not too sure.
As long as he spars with Blade he isn't going to be the down fall of Team 2 IMO.
There is a 1 in 3 chance that's going to happen, and I back Blade to beat Captain America personally.
Not to mention teamwork. You have a villain in Deathstroke, a non team player in Kaine, and then Blade who prefers to operate alone. Then you have three Avengers. Teamwork, more favorable matchups, team 2 has this.
The teamwork is a good point actually @granitesoldier. Enough to say Team 2 wins this anyway.
The way I see it is:
Blade vs Cap is the shortest fight of the 3 and blade should be victorious
Kaine vs Black Panther I honestly don't know who wins
Deathstroke vs Wolverine is another long long fight
Stroke and Kaine can hold off the other team combatants till blade beats Cap and helps Either of his teammates and beat the the other if the matchups look like that
It is a close and long fight though
@laflux: Wolverine has already stated his dislike for Kaine before and how he'd kill him the next time he'd cross, so he's probably going to be looking for a scrap with Kaine. Steve would lose pretty handily to a Pre/New 52 combo of Slade, and while he does lose to Blade, I believe has the capacity to at least run interference on that matchup.
@darktiger: I guess
good joke
This battle is way too tough to call. Team 1 has its advantages such as Kaine's strength/speed, Deathstroke's incredible skill set and swordsmanship, and Blades durability and swordsmanship. On the other hand, Team 2 has more experience due Wolverine and Cap combined, superior intelligence in T'Challa, and superior gear( vibranium and adamantium).
I have to side with Team 2 for the slight advantage. 6/10 vibranium daggers and anti-metal claws with a side of adamantium claws through the face for the win.
@wolverine08: Fair enough on the Wolverine vs Kaine front I guess.
@laflux: Best.There.Is.
Team 1.
Kaine is in the wrong weight class. He shouldn't be here.
You're overestimating Kaine. Both Black Panther and Wolverine have the capacity to either split him or get a slight majority. If you feel Kaine is MVP, that's fine, but saying he's in a completely class is definitely stretching things.
If we matching up from the picture horizon.
Kaine vs. Black Panther = Close one, i certainly believe Kaine is superior but Panther is full of surprises.
Deathstroke vs. Wolverine = This fight is going to be the longest one, they gonna slug it out even for a long while but Wolverine will take it in the long run with his very superior Healing Factor
Blade vs. Captain America = A serious Blade would end Captain America with his adamantium blades really fast. Shortest match by far
The way i see this. Blade is enough to change the tip of every battle here. He will be done with Cap before everyone else finishes their fights. And his help to his teammates going to bring a fairly easy victory.
@wolverine08: If your talking about skills, abilities, intelligence, etc., I would agree with you, but we're talking about the same guy who used to be able to easily beat Spider-Man and Scarlet Spider. In short, Kaine has the greatest physicals (save for durability) out of anybody here. I just don't think any Spider-Man (ex) rogues of this level should be here.
@wolverine08: If your talking about skills, abilities, intelligence, etc., I would agree with you, but we're talking about the same guy who used to be able to easily beat Spider-Man and Scarlet Spider. In short, Kaine has the greatest physicals (save for durability) out of anybody here. I just don't think any Spider-Man (ex) rogues of this level should be here.
You're talking about classic Scarlet Spider. Modern Kaine is being used here, and he's not at all completely above anyone here.
@wolverine08: Impressive.
@laflux: Me knowing about Classic Kaine?
@laflux: Me knowing about Classic Kaine?
Yes (Or do you think I'm underestimating you lol)
@laflux: Me knowing about Classic Kaine?
Yes (Or do you think I'm underestimating you lol)
LOL, thanks man.
@wolverine08: Going to watch NOC tonight?
@wolverine08: Going to watch NOC tonight?
Yeah, probably. Still kind of shocked that Reigns is out TBH.
@wolverine08 Same....
Eh, fair enough. I don't really recall Kaine receiving any downgrades, but, if composite Kaine is not being used here, then I guess I can see where your coming from.
However, I still believe Kaine is the MVP for Team 1 and gives them the majority.
@wolverine08: No idea who wins overall, but Kaine will skull $!#@ Logan into submission...again. :P
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