This has been bugging me for over a month, but Kain
Vs
Alucard
Both Bloodlusted
No Prep Time
Scene: London
This is Post Schrödinger Alucard
As for Kain, this is Kain After Defiance.
(P.S. First time on Forums)
Battle Begin
Kain rofl stomps. I'm not sure what the list of Alucards abilities are but heres a short list of Kains abilities:
-he can shape shift into a wolf, a flock of bats, mist, and the form of a regular man
-he is telepathic able to take over the bodies of the living, cause enemies to kill on and other, or simply turn a person catatonic
-he is a necromancer able to travel between the spirit realm and physical realm, manipulate souls, strip living beings of theirs souls, and control dead bodies
-he is an advanced telekinetic able lift and manipulate large objects
-he's pyrokinetic able to light things on fire with only the power of his mind
-he's electrokinetic able to hurl bolts of electricity at his enemies
-he able to teleport over vast distances
-he is an accomplished sorcerer, able to create mystical barriers for protection along with a variety of other spells
Kain, perhaps most importantly though, after the events of Defiance, is a true immortal, unable to be killed by any known means. Almost equally important he wields the Soul Reaver which cannot be broken by any known force other than itself and is capable of killing almost any known being by devouring their soul and destroying their body.
So, I think Kain has this in the bag
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@Onemoreposter: Alucard's Abilities.
@RoyHarperBLOW: Hmmm, doesn't sound to threatening to Kain except for
That make this seem a bit in Alucards favor. Not easy to kill an omnipresent being. However, the soul reaver still might be able to consume him.
@Onemoreposter: Possibile Stalemate because Alucard can be everywhere at once and nowhere but he doesn't have anything that can actually harm Kain. His Guns and Familiars are useless and I am not sure if Kain could get someone who is Omnipresence but I don't know Jack about Cain.
Just wondering do you think Kain could beat these four guys?
http://www.comicvine.com/michael-demiurgos/29-12656/
http://www.comicvine.com/lucifer-morningstar/29-24232/
http://www.comicvine.com/spectre/29-2361/
http://www.comicvine.com/nekron/29-45745/
Also Nekron has no Soul:)
@RoyHarperBLOW: Michael and Lucifer would blink Kain out of existence. Spectre, while not being able to reality manipulate Kain into having never been, would still utterly destroy him. Nekron, as I understand it is about the equivalent of an abstract over at marvel, meaning he would stomp Kain as well.
You saying Allucard is on the same level as anyone of those guys?
@RoyHarperBLOW said:
@Onemoreposter: LOL No. I just wanted to see your fanboy level is.
Yeah I figured. You weren't exactly being subtle picking characters who could take down Galactus.
@Onemorepostersaid:
@RoyHarperBLOW: Michael and Lucifer would blink Kain out of existence. Spectre, while not being able to reality manipulate Kain into having never been, would still utterly destroy him. Nekron, as I understand it is about the equivalent of an abstract over at marvel, meaning he would stomp Kain as well.
You saying Allucard is on the same level as anyone of those guys?
Nekron should be somewhere around eternities level if you threw him in marvel, but you are right Alucard isn't on any of these peoples levels. If I had to guess where he would be in the DC multiverse, I would say he should be somewhere between Shade's and Amazo's powerlevel. I think Alucard should win this battle though.
@Onemoreposter said:
Kain rofl stomps. I'm not sure what the list of Alucards abilities are but heres a short list of Kains abilities:
-he can shape shift into a wolf, a flock of bats, mist, and the form of a regular man
-he is telepathic able to take over the bodies of the living, cause enemies to kill on and other, or simply turn a person catatonic
-he is a necromancer able to travel between the spirit realm and physical realm, manipulate souls, strip living beings of theirs souls, and control dead bodies
-he is an advanced telekinetic able lift and manipulate large objects
-he's pyrokinetic able to light things on fire with only the power of his mind
-he's electrokinetic able to hurl bolts of electricity at his enemies
-he able to teleport over vast distances
-he is an accomplished sorcerer, able to create mystical barriers for protection along with a variety of other spells
Kain, perhaps most importantly though, after the events of Defiance, is a true immortal, unable to be killed by any known means. Almost equally important he wields the Soul Reaver which cannot be broken by any known force other than itself and is capable of killing almost any known being by devouring their soul and destroying their body.
So, I think Kain has this in the bag
I dunno Kain, but this is Alucard before he gained Schroedinger's power and became more powerful:
They pretty much hack his physical body into pieces to try and prevent him from unleashing his full power. Unfortunately, Alucard is pretty much completely immortal, and more than strong enough to take on an army of Holy Knights designed to kill an army of people who are literally designed to fight people like him, as well as an army of Super Nazi Vampires and Ghouls.
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
@SirMethos said:
Alucard wins, relatively easily.
He leaves Kain completely in the dust in terms of raw power and experience.
Umm no. Kain has been around for over a thousand years. Roughly twice as long as Alucard has. I see nothing on abilities list of abilities that gives him any edge over Kain besides the Schroedinger thing. Kain is immensely powerful.
Kain. Im not biased.
Edit. Kain could totally attack Alucard's Ghost World form and kill him in the process... or something... I dont know! Kain wins.
The soul reaver eats souls, but that doesn't mean Kain can take a soul from Alucard from a distance. He still has to use the Reaver on him. I haven't seen anything from Alucard, but from what i'm hearing this sounds like a stomp in favor of Alucard. Kain is awesome, and he has a ludicrous amount of both physical and magical abilities, but Alucard sounds like he's basically pulling toon-force powers so... what are you gonna do?
Wouldn't the Soul Rever just take Alucard's Soul?
I leaning towards Kain just because I'm more familiar with him and his abilities.
Schroedinger's powers allow him to literally exist wherever he wants. This includes inside Kain's mind, where he can wreak a lot of havoc. Proof of this is when Schroedinger enter's Zorin's mind after Seras grinds her face across the floor.
To be honest, I wouldn't mind seeing a video or something showing Kain actually forcibly removing the souls from an extremely powerful entity. Alucard has been decapitated, blows into pieces, turned into nothing more than a puddle of blood, almost completely destroyed, and been consumed by holy fire. In none of these instances was he destroyed. In fact, the closest he ever came to destruction was when Schroedinger slit his own throat and Alucard absorbed him, but even then Alucard proved he was too strong to exist, even when a paradox was created in which he couldn't exist. He just absorb Schroedinger's power, and reversed the effect it had on him, and came back into existence.
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
@kcaz said:
how to kill an omnipresent being??? omnipresent is a god's power
Kain killed oldest god of his realm
Kain roflstomps Alucard
@Floopay
said:
Schroedinger's powers allow him to literally exist wherever he wants. This includes inside Kain's mind, where he can wreak a lot of havoc. Proof of this is when Schroedinger enter's Zorin's mind after Seras grinds her face across the floor.
To be honest, I wouldn't mind seeing a video or something showing Kain actually forcibly removing the souls from an extremely powerful entity. Alucard has been decapitated, blows into pieces, turned into nothing more than a puddle of blood, almost completely destroyed, and been consumed by holy fire. In none of these instances was he destroyed. In fact, the closest he ever came to destruction was when Schroedinger slit his own throat and Alucard absorbed him, but even then Alucard proved he was too strong to exist, even when a paradox was created in which he couldn't exist. He just absorb Schroedinger's power, and reversed the effect it had on him, and came back into existence.
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
My knowledge of Kain is a little fuzzy as I haven't played the games in years but Kain is the scion of balance in the realm of Nosgoth, and he has dealt with time paradoxes from the begining of the series, and kind of is a paradox in himself.
Also, Kain's sword, the Soul Reaver, devours souls insatably, and it does so without any influence from Kain himself. The Soul Reaver itself is a paradox that technically shouldn't exist, but it does, and it is/was powerfull enough to forcibly remove the soul of "the Elder God", a powerful being which had existed for eons and had fed upon the souls of the world for all that time.
As the Scion of balance, and with the true Soul Reaver, Kain was the only being who could perceive the Elder God at all, who could exist in any time and be in a spectral or Physical form at will, and use the the blade.
I'll do a little research today and refresh on both sides, but I think Kain wins hands down.
@kcaz said:
how to kill an omnipresent being??? omnipresent is a god's power
You can kill an omnipresent being with the Soul Reaver when it is being wielded by the Scion of Balance.
@Jodokon said:
@Floopay:
Well...Kain does have one thing...The Purified Soul Reaver :3
Purified could consume thousands probably, probably millions I don't know how much, but Purified Soul Reaver aint something to joke about.
And Alucard still has the Jackal :P
As well as a host of divine and magical weapons :)
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
@Jodokon said:
@Floopay:
And still can't die from them because he is the Scion of Balance and The only weapon capable of killing him was Raziel's Wraith Blade and now Raziel is inside the Reaver.
The Jackal can cancel healing factors (like it did to Alexander Anderson), and Alucard has proven that he's next to impossible to kill as well. And that was before he was omnipresent. Also, does Kain have any blood in his system. Because Alucard can, in fact, kill things that are "unkillable" by draining them of their blood. As he did with Schroedinger (didn't drain him of his blood, but absorbed it).
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
@Floopay:
I can see Alucard putting up a hell of a fight, But Kain also has the Balance emblem and all of it to he can keep slashing away at Alucard and just consume all his souls, Purified or Not.
And Kain does have Regeneration abilities, he had his heart ripped out of his chest and was still able to stand and still be able to fight out of a pocket dimension.
Also to the Fact Kain has the Full power of the Balance Emblems(Balance,Lightning, dimension, time, Lightning, flame, and Soul.)
And your putting up a good debate to:) Its rare to find and I am glad to see Keep it up man your kicking ass:D.
@Floopay:
And just to add, Kain is far from a normal vampire. He wasn't turn by being bitten, Kain was resurrected by having the heart of Janos Aldran, the last of the Ancients, put into his chest. I can't say for sure, but draining Kain of all his blood might have horrible consequences as Janos, when he was drained of his blood, became a powerful monster and still had his intelligence. I want to say that destroying Kain's heart is the only way to stop him but I'm not sure that that is possible.
Also, as @Jodokon said, the "dark heart" was removed from Kain's chest at one point, and even after it was removed Kain was still able to fight and use his abilities.
My first instinct was Alu (he always wins and is overpowered in his own manga...) but now I think about it, Kain pwns him. With vampires, age always wins. Plus, Alu is more of the berserking type, attack until it dies, mad dog type. Kain is very much a tactician (and very intelligent), and would be able to outmaneuver Alu, imho.
This would be such an awesome fight though. Both of them have a tendency to tank (essp Alu) and use violent, bloody attacks. There are very few things that one has that the other doesn't have a rough equivalent.
(I miss these games...please make them playable on PS3!!)
@Jodokon:
Thank you.
I only played the very first Soul Reaver game, and that was about a decade or more ago, so I'm not up to date with Kain.
However, Alucard has survived the following:
Decapitation
Alucard has also defeated the following:
The one fact I see from your post is that Kain has, in fact, been injured. He had his heart ripped out, and am I to understand that he does, in fact, have blood. That being said, Alucard has a host of weapons designed to fight Supernatural beings (the Jackal and Joshua are his main ones, but he also has Dandy Man's cards, as shown in the 2nd to last OVA and Manga, Rip Van Winkles bullets, and entire armies of holy soldiers), and wields a Hell Hound within his body. If Alucard consumes any of Kain's blood, it is over. "Blood is the currency of the soul", and in Hellsing, if a vampire consumes ones blood they can consume ones soul. This was shown powerful enough to stop Schroedinger from continuing his existence, swallowing all the blood in the entire city of London (Alucard had 8 million souls within his body before he consumed all that blood, I'm guessing he's pushing 10 million these days...)
Alucard was also shown defeating Luke Valentine by shooting him (someone who was faster than a bullet), capable of cutting one of the Dandy Man's magic cards with his hand (which were capable of going through steel, and people like butter), destroying a magic bullet with his teeth (something that ripped through several jets effortlessly, without being damaged at all), ripping through vampires bodies like they were nothing, breaking divine barriers designed specifically against his kind (Anderson's barriers), moving an entire carrier ship with his mind, running up walls, climbing, turning into hundreds of bats, and so many other feats.
Plain and simply Kain has been shown getting hurt, and he may have the full power of the Balance, but the fact is, if he bleeds, then Alucard can take him. Alucard hasn't shown any limits to his strength yet, and was capable of creating a sigil the size of London to absorb blood through. His power is unbelievable. Kain would be a good fighter, but I need to see some videos backing up that power before I can be swayed.
Alucard rocks Luke Valentine
Alucard vs. Walter (The Angel of Death)
Alucard vs. Anderson pt. 1
Alucard vs. Anderson pt. 2 (Could only find a music video version) (as you can see, Alucard can use the magic bullet and the magic cards)
Alucard vs. Tubalcain Alahambra
Alucard vs. Rip Van Winkle (Could only find a music video version, but it's the Trooper by Iron Maiden, so it's all good)
Alucard, Level 0
As stated by Alucard:
"Only a man can kill a monster"
The question is, is Kain a man, a dog, or a monster?
I leave you with this....Alucard being played to Voltaire's - When You're Evil (I just googled those two together, and I'm so glad someone has done it :P)
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
@onilordasmodeus said:@kcaz said:
how to kill an omnipresent being??? omnipresent is a god's powerKain killed oldest god of his realm
Kain roflstomps Alucard
but how he can kill alucard when he uses his omnipresence powers to shift his presence into kain's mind? alucard is everywhere and in every realm, he exist infinitely, he could devour kain from inside his body.@kcaz said:
how to kill an omnipresent being??? omnipresent is a god's powerYou can kill an omnipresent being with the Soul Reaver when it is being wielded by the Scion of Balance.
@Floopay:
That is a good case and those are some very good points, but the same goes for Alucard to, Kain has a variety of attacks that uses blood even drinking from multiple people to copying Dark gifts.
And Kain almost died right when he was kicked into the Demon Realm and at the beginning of Blood Omen 2 when the Hylden Lord got him when he defeated him when he The Hylden was wearing a Nexus Stone.
But so far its a stalemate unless(Possibly, I am not saying he can at will, but its a possibility I am not saying he can) Rip Schros soul out of Alucard along with Rips and others. But so far stalemate
The only Vampire I see that could easily take Alucard if he was consumed is Raziel.
As to him defeating powerful enemies. He defeated the Elder God when Raziel was consumed by the Reaver, so Astral Sight is somewhat played into this. The Hylden Lord at the end of Blood Omen 2, for the first two parts without the Soul Reaver. And to survivability, Kain is a paradox somewhat in the events of Soul Reaver 2 along with Raziel, he was suppose to die when he got kicked into the Demon Realm in Defiance.
@Floopay:
Okay:
Kain Fighting through Demon realm after he was suppose to die from his heart ripped out:
Kain in Blood Omen 2 and he was still young still able to live through his first fight with the Hylden Lord:
Kain able to harm the Elder God(Who had Omnipresence as well)
And as the Elder God said he can't kill them and Raziel gave himself to the Soul Reaver which gave Kain Astral Vision. That is coming from a god who contains countless souls. And if Alucard went against the Elder God, he would possibliy die because whatever , Alucard has he can't do to Elder god exsist between the Physical and Spectral Realm.
Here is what the Elder God:
http://legacyofkain.wikia.com/wiki/Elder_God
and Here is Kain:
http://legacyofkain.wikia.com/wiki/Kain
and Marcus who tried to take control of Kain's mind(And this was when Kain was still young):
@Jodokon:
To be fair, that god was never shown existing in somebodies mind, or more importantly, inside of somebodies soul as far as I saw. He's also a lot faster than that Elder God I would think, and it doesn't appear that Kain is beyond harm. And Alucard has a host of magical and divine weapons to use against him.
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
@Floopay:
The only person I have seen to take supreme control of someone was the Hylden Lord with Janos Audron.
It is not out of the realm possibility, but yeah I agree the Elder God haven't seen him done so, but it is possible; not one hundred percent, but possibly.
Alucard is Fast I agree seven hundred percent, but its against a being who is to physical in the Spectral Realm and to Spectral in the Physical. And yet it is known if Divine weapons can harm him.
@Floopay said:
@onilordasmodeus: @Jodokon:
The thing is, Alucard has about 8 million souls within his body. I have a really hard believing Schroedinger's soul will be coming out anytime soon :P
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
Um, it's stated "post-Schrödinger".
I remember pretty clear that Alucard stated he personally killed every single soul inside him, to regain self-consciousness and get control over quantum powers. Shouldn't this, logically speaking, depower him from all that demonic night horror powers, leaving only Schrödinger powerset?
He's still pretty much immortal with it, but Kain took on Elder God and stuff...
@Kyle_Dornez:
And I haven't seen Alucard take on a god. He took on Hellsing who had god on his side but Alucard lost, but yet Alucard has yet take on someone who is a god himself or any other god.
Kain also has The Purified Soul Reaver and The full power of the Balance Emblem, and the Soul Reaver is a paradox, it something that should not exsist but does. And this Post Defiance Kain to.
@Kyle_Dornez:
You know I was unclear on that. According to the Escariot there are 7.6 million souls in hell or something like that. And later when Alucard reappears he states he killed 7.6 million souls or whatever to get back to existence. I wasn't sure if he killed all his souls but Schroedinger to come back, or if he killed his way out of hell. Because I forget how many souls he states he has, but he states he has a bunch against Anderson. Something like "How many chances do you want? 1, 10, 1000, 1,000,000"? In the OVA he asks him what his odds are I think, but in the manga he asks him how many chances he would like.
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
if kain absorbs schrodinger he schrodinger will be unable to identify himself thus erasing what ever absorded his soul from the fight if there is more then just schrodingers soul in it or if sould absorbed loose their self awareness thus Kains greatest weapon the soul reaver would be erased and then what?
I think this depends on were the battle takes place. I it's in Hellsingverse than Alucard will win since only a pure human being can kill him but anywhere else I say it's a stalemate.
@RoyHarperBLOW said:
I think this depends on were the battle takes place. I it's in Hellsingverse than Alucard will win since only a pure human being can kill him but anywhere else I say it's a stalemate.
I don't think it's that only a human can kill him, but that Alucard will only allow himself to be killed by a worthy human opponent.
@JediXMan: That makes sense. That proves why Monster of God Anderson couldn't kill him. He became something Alucard didn't want to be killed by.
@RoyHarperBLOW said:
@JediXMan: That makes sense. That proves why Monster of God Anderson couldn't kill him. He became something Alucard didn't want to be killed by.
Indeed. He knows he is a monster. He, in his own way, wants death. That's why he was smiling when he saw Anderson's determination in the final battle. But when he turned himself into a monster, Alucard was horrified - not because he was afraid, but because he could not allow a monster to be his end. Only a human can kill a monster.
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