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*Concept and A LOT of the dialogue stolen directly from Luna/Ferro’s thread…Thanks guys =) *

The Scenario:


 
The idea of this thread is to allow you to build your own team from a list of given characters and modifications using a set number of points (25). You will use this team to face off in a tournament of battles against other Viners. All competitors are given the same amount of points to build their team, but the variations of characters and gear grants a multitude of options to utilize. Be sure to name your team, it will be the same team you use until the end of the tournament. When one tournament ends another may begin to give more people a chance.


This is how it will work...


The first 16 Viners to post that they want in will be put into a 16 man, single-elimination tournament.

DO NOT post your teams in the thread. Instead PM them to me

, and when all 16 competitors have sent in their teams I will check them all to make sure they all follow the rules, and are not identical and then I will post them all at the same time in order to assure no one has an unfair advantage when making their team. Names will be drawn at random to determine who faces who.

Once you know your opponent and their team you may then begin to debate them as to why your team would beat theirs. Please stick to generally accepted debating practices and refrain from trolling. Treat your opponent with respect and dignity. If spectators want to correct misinformation they may, but in general let the 2 people debating keep the debate to themselves. Once a debate is finished or deemed to be over by the thread moderators ( Lunacyde, Ferro Vida, Morpheus, Vance Astro, and myself) then we will call a vote and any Viner who wishes may vote for whom he/she believes would win the fight. Please vote for who made the better team/ had a better argument as to why their team would win, NOT who you like better. This is not a popularity contest.

Setting:



The Setting is at twilight.   The moon is rising and the sun is setting. Only the exterior of the island is on limit.   Entering buildings is not allowed.  The location is unpopulated.   If a character is knocked into the surrounding waters, they are considered eliminated via BFR.

 
 


 

 
Rules:



- Please Quote or Reply to the person you are debating with. This avoids confusion as to who you were talking to and makes it easier to pick up arguments if one person has to leave for a while. It is going to be necessary with the number of people that will be arguing at once, so please follow this rule.
-Both Teams are aware of the situation.
-All characters are "in character" unless otherwise specified.
- You ONLY have 25 points to construct your team. You will be disqualified if you are over this amount.
-Victory is by death, knockout, BFR or incapacitation.
-Team chemistry does come into play.
- There is no prep time, and teams have absolutely no knowledge of each other prior to the match.
-Characters with guns have unlimited ammo unless specified otherwise.
-Characters with bows/throwing knives have unlimited arrows/knives unless specified otherwise.
-Characters still need to reload.                                                                                                                                                  
-Your team MUST consist of at least 2 characters.                                                                                                      
-You may not use more than 3 add ons for a single character.   Team add ons do not contribute to this total.                                             
-No tele-dropping, tele-dismemberment, or BFR.
-If a debater fails to show up for an extended period of time (greater than a week) then the moderators have a judgment call as to disqualify them.
-Winning teams will be immortalized in the , and their teams are off-limits for future tournaments.
-Assume characters will not be freaked out or question if another version of them is on the team (aka Winter Soldier and Bucky Cap, Bone claw & adamantium Wolverine, Ult Cap and 616 Cap, Venom Gargan and Scorpion, so on and so on)

 
 

Character Choices:


13- Venom (Gargan)

13- Venom (Eddie Brock)

13- Carnage

13- Spider-Man – Pre-BND, Post-Other

13 – Ord – Armor, barbed blade

13- Black Tarantula

13 – Luke Cage - chain

11- High-Tech Punisher – Goblin Glider, 20 pumpkin bombs, 1 of doc oc’s arms, replica of cap’s shield, iron man’s glove (with repulsor blast, 5 shots only), wrist blades, whiplash’s whip, 9mm automatic pistol,  pym particles (to reduce weapon size, making them easier to carry all)

11- Iron Fist – unarmed

11- Ultimate Green Goblin

11- Archangel

11- Omega Red - full energy, armor  (teammates will not be harmed by death spores)

11- Cyber (classic) 
 
11- Warpath - Vibranium Knives

9 -Spider-Man – current

9- Cyclops – Cannot remove visor

9- Ultimate Doc Oc

9- Rhino – unarmed

9 -Green Goblin (Norman) - Glider, Pumpkin bombs, razor bats, flamethrower on glider
9- Black Panther - Vibranium Suit, Anti-Metal Claws, Energy Daggers

7- Mr. X - twin Katanas
 
7- Mr. Fantastic -unarmed
 
7- Ultimate captain America – Shield

7 – Ultimate Sabretooth – adamantium, 4 claws on each hand

7 – Kitty Pryde - unarmed

7- Nightcrawler – unarmed
 
7- Ultimate Hawkeye – Regular bow/Arrows, 10 explosive arrows
 
7- Wolverine – adamantium

7- Sabretooth - adamantium
 
7- Daken – current

7 – Vermin – 50 rats added to environment

5 – Spider-Woman
 
5- Wolverine – bone claw

5- Hammerhead (current) – Tommy gun

5- Mystique – silenced 9mm pistol, 2 combat knives
 
5- Captain (Steve) - Shield
 
5- Bullseye – unlimited daggers, 2 , box of tooth picks, 1 grenade
 
5- Cable ( No TP/TK)– Heavy Machine Gun, Desert Eagle, combat knife

5 – Captain America (Bucky) – Shield, 9mm pistol

 5- Ultimate Moon Knight - Ronin attire, enhanced attributes by Dr. Strange, 5 wrist darts, nunchaku, crescent daggers, bo-staff
 
5- Blade - Katana, glave, throwing knives, flashbang
 
5- Shatterstar – wrist blades
 
5- Clint Barton - Regular Bow/Arrows, 10 explosive arrows, nunchaku
 
5- Shang Chi – wooden bo-staff
 
5- Taskmaster - Sword and shield
 
5- Daredevil – 4 Billy clubs
 
5- The Cat - unarmed
 
5- Deadpool - Twin Katana, daggers, 2 grenades
 
5- Sabretooth –unarmed

5- Mysterio --   cloaking mist gas (not harmful to others), gloves armed with short range hallucinogenic weapon (2 sprays only, assume it can reach as far as ), springs on boots,   holographic projector, “web gun” with 1 shot (fires a large burst of make-shift webbing), 1 wrist blade attached to each glove

5- Beast – unarmed
 
5- Constrictor – current
 
5- Scorpion (Gargan) – energy blast attachment

5- Cardiac – Staff, no bird

5- Doppleganger

5 – Patriot – shield

5- Lizard (Connors Mind) –unarmed
 
5- X-23 – current

5- Kraven (Sergei) - Two hunting knives, spear, on potion, blow dart with 3 poison shots

5- Karven (Alyosha) – Two hunting knives, net made of generic materials, blow dart with 1 poison shot
 
5- Shocker

3- Echo - Billy clubs, Desert Eagle and throwing knives
 
3- Elektra- Sais, ninja stars

3- Gambit – Staff and 3 decks of cards (pre-death abilities)
 
3- Bishop – mp5 submachine gun 
 
3- Doc Oc – non adamantium tentacles

3- Nick Fury – m16 w/ silencer, 2 Colt .45s, 2 knives, 1 grenade

3 - Punisher - M16, Sawed off shotgun, 2 Desert Eagles, Kabar, kevlar vest
 
3- Crossbones - M16, Tec-9 SMG, 2 Desert Eagles, Spetsnaz combat knife, kevlar vest
 
3- Winter Soldier - AK-47, Uzi SMG, 2 Desert Eagles, 2 Spetsnaz Combat Knives, kevlar vest
 
3- Paladin - dual mp5s, grenade launcher
 
3- Moon Knight – Current carbonadium armor, adamantium truncheon (also functions as bo-staff), crescent daggers 
 
3- Angel - cannot transform 
  
3 – Falcon – 5 falcons added to location.

3- Black Widow - 2 laser sighted Desert Eagles, grappling gun, combat knife, tear gas
 
3- Domino - 2 Desert Eagles and an M16

3- Ka-Zar – assortment of knives, bow & regular arrows

2- Bushwacker – Ingested napalm and unlimited medium caliber bullets

2 – Kate Bishop - Bow/Regular arrows, 2 battle staves (batons)

2- Dagger

2- Toad

2- Kingpin – classic (Miller's run), cane w/ energy blasts

2 - Black Cat- Claws and grappling line (with powers)
 
2- Scourge – M16 w/ grenade launcher attachment (3 shots), desert eagle, combat knife
 
2 – Vulture – version from Marvel Knights (basic armor, fly up to 100mph)
 
2 – Stilt-Man – version from Punisher: War Journal (machine gun, rocket launcher)



 

 

ADD ONS

 

5 – Game over, man, game over! – Each member of your team has a replica of Boba Fett’s jetpack (single rocket included).   They have full knowledge and training with the device.   One member also has an invisible energy shield around their being which will protect them from the first hit they would take, no matter how powerful or weak the attack. NOTE: Jetpack and shield can be disabled via EMP.

3 – Like a Knife through Warm Butter- If any of your characters have a gun, ONE clip from ONE gun will be carbonadium bullets.   If any of your character have a bladed weapon, ONE will carbonadium as well.

3 – I am the alpha and the omega - Begin the match with full knowledge of your foes abilities, traits, powers and potential weaknesses

3 – Bat-prep – Your team has 45 minutes to plan / strategize and is told the names and only basic powers of who they are facing. During this time they cannot access additional information on their foes or bring additional equipment.

3 – You wouldn’t like me when I’m angry - Makes character willing to kill without hesitating.   Does not hinder tactical mind/abilities.

 3 – Use Protection – Give 1 member of your team vibranium armor for their chest and back only. NOTE: This will not hinder the character’s speed.

3- Eye in the Sky—Your team gets a flying drone that uses full electromagnetic spectrum sensors to map out battlefield and opponents. The info is then sent to a handheld device held by one member of the team. The drone may be disabled with EMP weapons or shot out of the sky manually.   It flies overhead.   Keep in mind, the drone is silent.   So if you’re going to debate shooting it down, debate it well or it’s not valid.

3- The Gover’nator – Enlist the help of a single T-800.   The T-800 is unarmed, unless given a weapon through an add on / boost.   If destroyed or damaged, the nuclear power source will NOT explode. The T-800 is programmed the kill the enemy team and will follow your teams orders. NOTE: Temporarily disabled through EMP. Assume this model has the durability from the movie versions.

3- Luna’s Desire– Call upon Legolas to join your forces.   He is equipped with only his standard blade and may not be given other weapons through boosts / add ons.    He understands all current tech.

3- I like it with the lights off- 1 high powered EMP sniper rifle. Has 10 shots.   EMP burst travels at the same speed as a .50 caliber bullet.   On contact, the burst explodes in a 5 radius, shutting down all electronics for 1 minute. Your team is NOT immune to this.

3- Say hello to my little friend – 1 Murasama Blade, 1 grenade launcher (5 rounds) for your team.

2 – Viagra…for weapons-   Turns all bladed weapons into vibranium

2 – Born to Serve – Select either 5 hand ninjas (swords, nunchaku) or 3 H.A.M.M.E.R. glider troops (machine gun, pumpkin bombs).   They will follow your every command.

2 – Can you hear me now? - Your team’s jumping, climbing, walking & running is silent.

2 – Size matters not - 1 canister of Pym particles for each member of your team.   This will shrink them (to ) for 5 minutes IN TOTAL.   The characters can shrink and re-grow on command, but may only be shrunk for a total time of 5 minutes.

2- Dr. Dolittle -  Your team has Ka-Zar’s Sabretooth tiger,  Zabu, on your team.   He is loyal to your team and will follow your every command.

1- Medic! – 1 spray cansiter that can restore someone to full health, 1 use only.   Cannot use if character is already eliminated.

1- Boom, baby! - 3 of each for your team: flash bangs, incendiary grenades, sonic grenades, claymores, tear gas grenades.

1- Fire in the hole!- 1 RPG Launcher and ammo (3 shots)

1 – Silent, but deadly -Silences all the guns on your team

1- Fanboy - 1 Replica of Cap’s shield w/ all of it’s properties

1 – Glasses aren’t for geeks - Thermal/X-Ray/Night Vision Goggles (For each member of the team) NOTE: This is disabled by EMP for the given time.

1 – We are one - Telepathic Link - Telepathically links your entire team.  NOTE: If a character on your team is struck by EMP, this is disabled for the entire team for the given time.

1 – Living in LA’s lovely smog – Your team is immune to pheromones released by Omega Red, Daken, Spider-Woman and effects from tear gas and Mysterio’s hallucinogenic gas.

1 - Why Can’t We Be Friends? – Makes your team respect one another and follow each others commands and orders.   In short, they’ll function as a unit and any bad blood / tempers won’t exist.   They will cooperate with one another.

1 – Crystal Clear – 1 cloaking device for 1 person.   Cloaking can only be used once and lasts for 30 seconds.   NOTE: Characters who use this can be viewed with the Glasses aren’t for geeks add on. If in the radius of EMP, cloaking disables. The cloaking is as effective as the Predator's is in the movies.

TEAM BOOSTS:

 

1- We're Gifted - Your team consists of only characters who were/are considered to be on a regular roster of the X-Men or other X-teams.  Your team will enter the match with knowing how many foes they're against and the general location of where the enemy team begins. 
 
1- Bad to the Bone - Your team consists of all villains (anti-heroes do not count). Your team will enter the match with 6 generic HYDRA soldiers at your command (equipped with 9mm pistols and batons). 
 
1- Keepin' it Classic - Your team consists of only characters who were on an Avengers roster for multiple arcs.  Your team enters with full knowledge of the environment.

1-Arachnaphobia – Your team consists of all Spider-Man villains.  You may select one of the following to join your team:  
Boomerang – regular & explosive boomerangs, jetpack boots

Carrion – unarmed

Shriek - unarmed

1-Law? I am the law! – Your team consists of all anti-heroes. Each character is equipped with a Kevlar vest (will not harm their attributes).   If the character already has a kevlar vest or pre-existing armor, they are given 1 grenade.

1- This…Is… SPARTA! – Your team consists of characters who are restricted to melee combat. These characters are now equipped with adamantium brass knuckles     
 
 
 
 
 

 TOURNAMENT MEMBERS:

 

 

 1) Lunacyde 
2) Dane
3) Morpheus_
4) Static Shock
5) Vance Astro
6) Precise
7) Ferro Vida
8) Matezoide 
9) Power NeXus
10) DedManWalkin
11) Donovan Montgomery
12) geraldthesloth
13) Andferne
14) Lance Uppercut
15) OblivionKnight
16) spiderpigbart  
17) Strafe Power 
18)  k4tzm4n

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#2  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

Sorry for the double post.  This is the correct one.
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#3  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
Precise and Dane have already expressed interest in this, so you can sign them up.
 
By the way, I never thought I'd see the day when you'd post a thread twice, K4tz. :P
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#4  Edited By dane

woohoo, give me a few minutes to analyze the situation and post my team.

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#5  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@Dane said:

" woohoo, give me a few minutes to analyze the situation and post my team. "

I think you should PM the team to K4tz.
 

  DO NOT post your teams in the thread. Instead PM them to me, and when all 16 competitors have sent in their teams I will check them all to make sure they all follow the rules, and are not identical and then I will post them all at the same time in order to assure no one has an unfair advantage when making their team. Names will be drawn at random to determine who faces who.

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#6  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

Correct. I'll update OP.
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#7  Edited By Matezoide2

i will join,i will PM my teams tomorrow....i cant do that today,theres a lot of factors to considers

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#8  Edited By dane

Yeah, that's what I meant. Just going to ask a few Q's but I should have my team sorted asap.

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#9  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

Going to give this a bump. 
 
 
So far I've received a team from Dane.
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#10  Edited By dane

go team *waves minature flag*

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#11  Edited By Power NeXus

Count me in k4tz!

I'll PM you my team as soon as I can.

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#12  Edited By Precise

Alrighty... I'll compose a team I like =)

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#13  Edited By Power NeXus

I have a pretty busy schedule today, so I probably won't be able to rig up a team until tonight. 
Hope it's not too much of an inconvenience.
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#14  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@Power NeXus said:
"I have a pretty busy schedule today, so I probably won't be able to rig up a team until tonight. Hope it's not too much of an inconvenience. "

Not at all.
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#15  Edited By Power NeXus

Question: if we already have one of the special teams (ex. all X-Men characters), do we still have to use one point to get the Team Boost, or does it come automatically with such a team?

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#16  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@Power NeXus said:
"Question: if we already have one of the special teams (ex. all X-Men characters), do we still have to use one point to get the Team Boost, or does it come automatically with such a team? "

No, you don't need to get it and it isn't free. It costs one point and only applies if you fit the requirements ;)
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#17  Edited By dane

I'm off to bed, GL to everyone. Maybe we'll have some rounds drawn up tomorrow if we get people quick enough :P

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#18  Edited By Precise

This sucks! I'm doubting about one point >_>

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#19  Edited By DedmanWalkin

You know I want in K4tz!
 
I'll be sending you my team by the end of the day, hopefully.
 
I notice there is a water tower on the map and that you have included Vulture, does this mean that he can put people in the Water Tower with some loop the loops?

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Can I join this battle?  I can have a team up by tonight as well.  (PM to K4tzm4n of course) 
I want to see if I can do this :D
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#21  Edited By Power NeXus

In the 'Boom baby!" add-on, what are the claymores? I thought a claymore was a type of sword, but you have it listed among several types of grenades.
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#22  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
Users included so far (updated):
 
 
 TOURNAMENT MEMBERS:

1) Lunacyde 
2) Dane
3) Morpheus_
4) Static Shock
5) Vance Astro
6) Precise
7) Ferro Vida
8) Matezoide 
9) Power NeXus
10) DeadManWalking
11) Donovan Montgomery
12) geraldthesloth
13) Andferne
14) 
15) 
16)
 
@DedmanWalkin said:

" You know I want in K4tz!  I'll be sending you my team by the end of the day, hopefully.  I notice there is a water tower on the map and that you have included Vulture, does this mean that he can put people in the Water Tower with some loop the loops? "
 
@Donovan Montgomery said:
" Can I join this battle?  I can have a team up by tonight as well.  (PM to K4tzm4n of course) I want to see if I can do this :D "

You are both in.


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@Morpheus_:
Awsome, thanks XD
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#24  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
No problem.
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#25  Edited By Precise
@Morpheus_ said:
" No problem. "
So, a question. The knowledge the characters have beforehand, like Wolverine knows a thing or two about Cyclops and how he fights, does that still count in this battle? Or have they been completely erased from their minds?
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#26  Edited By geraldthesloth
@Precise: I don't think it should be discredited, I've used that kind of stuff in past debates for the build a battle threads and the mods where cool with it so where the debaters.
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#27  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@Precise said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" No problem. "
So, a question. The knowledge the characters have beforehand, like Wolverine knows a thing or two about Cyclops and how he fights, does that still count in this battle? Or have they been completely erased from their minds? "
I'll respond accordingly to my line of thought in relation to what I believe K4tz would wish.
 
People who have encountered each another in the past retain their knowledge. If p.e. Daredevil and Wolverine were to be in opposing teams, they would  track each other's scent, with both of them recognising the scent and identifying the opponent.
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#28  Edited By Precise
@geraldthesloth:@Morpheus_: Good, then i probably made the right choice with my team :p
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#29  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@Precise said:
" @geraldthesloth:@Morpheus_: Good, then i probably made the right choice with my team :p "
I know...
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#30  Edited By Precise
@Morpheus_: How do you know? Did you see my team?
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#31  Edited By Andferne

I'd definitely like to be in. Not sure which team I want to go with.

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#32  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@Precise said:

" @Morpheus_: How do you know? Did you see my team? "

Gotcha. :P 
 
 @Andferne said:

" I'd definitely like to be in. Not sure which team I want to go with. "

  You got it, Andy.
 
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#33  Edited By geraldthesloth
@Precise: Good luck beating mine..:)
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#34  Edited By Precise
@Morpheus_: Damned :p 
 
@geraldthesloth: I'm sure it'll be tough lol, I've seen you debate before =O
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#35  Edited By geraldthesloth
@Precise: I'm just confident in my team :p
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@geraldthesloth: Now i'm curious about your team lol :p
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#37  Edited By Andferne

Ok I am settled on a Team. Now I just need a name then I am set.

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#38  Edited By Andferne
@DedmanWalkin said:
"I notice there is a water tower on the map and that you have included Vulture, does this mean that he can put people in the Water Tower with some loop the loops? "
rofl
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#39  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@Precise said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" No problem. "
So, a question. The knowledge the characters have beforehand, like Wolverine knows a thing or two about Cyclops and how he fights, does that still count in this battle? Or have they been completely erased from their minds? "

Morph's answer was correct. All previous knowledge remains. 
 
@Power NeXus said:

"In the 'Boom baby!" add-on, what are the claymores? I thought a claymore was a type of sword, but you have it listed among several types of grenades. "

    
 
@DedmanWalkin
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"You know I want in K4tz!  I'll be sending you my team by the end of the day, hopefully.  I notice there is a water tower on the map and that you have included Vulture, does this mean that he can put people in the Water Tower with some loop the loops? "


It doesn't have the same type of opening as the classic water tower ;)  However, characters can be BFR'd on the map. (carry and drop, lol) 
 
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#40  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

I've received teams from... 
 
Dane 
Geraldthesloth 
DedManWalkin 
Andferne 
Lance Uppercut 
Precise
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#41  Edited By Knightly1

Wouldnt mind being in this. I'll send you my team in about 30-60(an hour) minutes.
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#42  Edited By Lunacyde  Moderator

 

*Concept and A LOT of the dialogue stolen directly from Luna/Ferro’s thread…Thanks guys =) *

 
 
Image also stolen from one of my other threads.....   :P
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#43  Edited By spiderpigbart

I'm in.  I'll think about my team.

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#44  Edited By Static Shock

Count me in. PM sent.

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#45  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
Contestants so far:
 

 TOURNAMENT MEMBERS:

1) Lunacyde 
2) Dane
3) Morpheus_
4) Static Shock
5) Vance Astro
6) Precise
7) Ferro Vida
8) Matezoide 
9) Power NeXus
10) DedManWalkin
11) Donovan Montgomery
12) geraldthesloth
13) Andferne
14) Lance Uppercut
15) spiderpigbart
16)


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#46  Edited By Precise
@Morpheus_: So, just one more then
 
Edit: Wait.. where is katzman in this? o_O
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#47  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@Precise said:
" @Morpheus_: So, just one more then "
Indeed. 
 
Strafe Prower has expressed interest, but we'll see.
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#48  Edited By Precise
@Morpheus_: Saw my edit? :p
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#49  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@Precise said:
" @Morpheus_: Saw my edit? :p "
I did now.
 
He feels it's unfair to participate while having knowledge of all the teams.
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#50  Edited By Precise
@Morpheus_ said:
" @Precise said:
" @Morpheus_: Saw my edit? :p "
I did now.
 
He feels it's unfair to participate while having knowledge of all the teams.
"
Nonsense, after the first round everyone knows each others teams anyway..