No it wouldn't all he would have to do is what he did to Ironman, he like took away the gravity or something from him and Ironman was thrown all the way to the Moon, or it seemed like it.
Superman can't breathe in Space, IIRC.
Gravition(animated version) come to metropolis and cause a lot of havok. the original justice league members(animated version) went out to fight him.
rules: random encounter, morals off. who wins?
Superman,Flash,martian manhunter(no mindrape),wonder woman,john stewart,hawkgirl,batman(he has prep)
The fight is going to be the same so someone is going to have to play the part of the unstoppable annoying Hulk and another person will have to be someone who can generate enough power to shoot down from the sky and drill Graviton 500 feet into the ground while the rest of the team get smashed.@tron_bonne said:
They would need Thor and Hulk to beat him.
nope i no think so
The fight is going to be the same so someone is going to have to play the part of the unstoppable annoying Hulk and another person will have to be someone who can generate enough power to shoot down from the sky and drill Graviton 500 feet into the ground while the rest of the team get smashed.So, a GL can't do the shooting?
@Static Shock said:
@bornstar said:Cool. Besides, the Flash's powers are limited, already. He can't go FTL without being sucked into the Speed Force, anyway. So, he'd do well not to pull that off here, you know?ok i decide to let flash use speed force
yeah true but the battle should be more competitive
@tron_bonne said:Well, Graviton is naturally supposed to be a team buster. This is probably why the OP made the battle so. To test out how well this team can fight a team buster like Graviton. Controlling gravity is major, even despite the horsepower of this team at question. Flash can't really run if his limbs can not move. The people who can fly can be manipulated to fly off into space uncontrollably or fall into the ground unwillingly. It's going to take team work and unconventional means to take out Graviton. For example: Distracting him and letting his ego gauge max up until he makes a mistake.The fight is going to be the same so someone is going to have to play the part of the unstoppable annoying Hulk and another person will have to be someone who can generate enough power to shoot down from the sky and drill Graviton 500 feet into the ground while the rest of the team get smashed.So, a GL can't do the shooting? Anyway, If you compare the Justice League to the Avengers, the former has more powerhouses. Thus, giving them more advantages over Graviton than the Avengers had before they were even able to complete their roster. Avengers didn't have a speedster. They also didn't have a telepath, or a Thanagarian with a mace that ignores gravity (Nth metal). The Justice League could find other ways to win. They don't need to duplicate what the Avengers did to achieve that.
@Static Shock said:
@bornstar said:Then, put a limit on how fast the Flash can go. He normally just maintains various supersonic speeds. You could have to where he can only stay at speeds just under light speed.yeah true but the battle should be more competitive
ok true i will make it stay like that
@tron_bonne said:
@Static Shock said:@tron_bonne said:Well, Graviton is naturally supposed to be a team buster. This is probably why the OP made the battle so. To test out how well this team can fight a team buster like Graviton. Controlling gravity is major, even despite the horsepower of this team at question. Flash can't really run if his limbs can not move. The people who can fly can be manipulated to fly off into space uncontrollably or fall into the ground unwillingly. It's going to take team work and unconventional means to take out Graviton. For example: Distracting him and letting his ego gauge max up until he makes a mistake.The fight is going to be the same so someone is going to have to play the part of the unstoppable annoying Hulk and another person will have to be someone who can generate enough power to shoot down from the sky and drill Graviton 500 feet into the ground while the rest of the team get smashed.So, a GL can't do the shooting? Anyway, If you compare the Justice League to the Avengers, the former has more powerhouses. Thus, giving them more advantages over Graviton than the Avengers had before they were even able to complete their roster. Avengers didn't have a speedster. They also didn't have a telepath, or a Thanagarian with a mace that ignores gravity (Nth metal). The Justice League could find other ways to win. They don't need to duplicate what the Avengers did to achieve that.
well said
Well, Graviton is naturally supposed to be a team buster. This is probably why the OP made the battle so. To test out how well this team can fight a team buster like Graviton. Controlling gravity is major, even despite the horsepower of this team at question. Flash can't really run if his limbs can not move. The people who can fly can be manipulated to fly off into space uncontrollably or fall into the ground unwillingly. It's going to take team work and unconventional means to take out Graviton. For example: Distracting him and letting his ego gauge max up until he makes a mistake.Well, considering that Batman has prep, he should be equipped to fight him or orchestrate team tactics to cope with Graviton's powers. At the same time, Martian Manhunter would make a pretty good distraction, since he's able to render himself invisible. Also, if he's intangible, he may not be affected by gravitational attacks like the others. Or, what he could do is implant telepathic illusions of the other teammates in his brain to throw him off his game, setting him up for the rest of the team to take him down.
@tron_bonne said:Aw man... I can't really argue against the Bat Factor. If Batman can mess up Darksied with prep (or any other major JLA bad guys added), he can mess up Graviton just as bad or more. In the Avanger's cartoon when they fought Graviton, they didn't really have prep. They didn't know who this guy was.Well, Graviton is naturally supposed to be a team buster. This is probably why the OP made the battle so. To test out how well this team can fight a team buster like Graviton. Controlling gravity is major, even despite the horsepower of this team at question. Flash can't really run if his limbs can not move. The people who can fly can be manipulated to fly off into space uncontrollably or fall into the ground unwillingly. It's going to take team work and unconventional means to take out Graviton. For example: Distracting him and letting his ego gauge max up until he makes a mistake.Well, considering that Batman has prep, he should be equipped to fight him or orchestrate team tactics to cope with Graviton's powers. At the same time, Martian Manhunter would make a pretty good distraction, since he's able to render himself invisible. Also, if he's intangible, he may not be affected by gravitational attacks like the others. Or, what he could do is implant telepathic illusions of the other teammates in his brain to throw him off his game, setting him up for the rest of the team to take him down.
@The_Mercenary said:
Superman's natural deferance to gravity would aid him in capturing Graviton. At least incapacitating him long enough for Wonder Women to come in and smash his face in. Batman could confuse him with a few smoke bombs. Wam Bam thank you ma'am.
makes sense
Aren't intangibles still governed by gravity though? if they weren't they would all float away when ever they used their powers.Another good point!
Superman's natural deferance to gravity would aid him in capturing Graviton. At least incapacitating him long enough for Wonder Women to come in and smash his face in. Batman could confuse him with a few smoke bombs. Wam Bam thank you ma'am.But he doesn't really turn his forcefield off, and it took Hulk, Ironman, Giantman and Thor hits for quite a while. Smoke bombs? He flies, he can easily avoid that.
Ok, I finally got it. Being intangible is governed by Gravity. Anything being real is considering one not being a part of the Gravitational Constant of the Universe. Vision is one Avenger who can turn intangible and change his density. Umm... He was one of the people fighting against Graviton in the original battle. Altering density mean taking all your mass away so as long there is mass whether it's tangible or not; is still effected by gravity.Aren't intangibles still governed by gravity though? if they weren't they would all float away when ever they used their powers.
@Static Shock said:
@tron_bonne said:The fight is going to be the same so someone is going to have to play the part of the unstoppable annoying Hulk and another person will have to be someone who can generate enough power to shoot down from the sky and drill Graviton 500 feet into the ground while the rest of the team get smashed.So, a GL can't do the shooting? Anyway, If you compare the Justice League to the Avengers, the former has more powerhouses. Thus, giving them more advantages over Graviton than the Avengers had before they were even able to complete their roster. Avengers didn't have a speedster. They also didn't have a telepath, or a Thanagarian with a mace that ignores gravity (Nth metal). The Justice League could find other ways to win. They don't need to duplicate what the Avengers did to achieve that.
Justice League may have more relative powerhouses on their team, but Avengers has the stronger powerhouses. I agree that telepathy against Graviton would be a deciding factor but besides that I don't think this Justice League has what it takes. Martian Manhunter with telepathy and intangibility is the only one who has a shot. Everyone else gets beaten.
Ok, I finally got it. Being intangible is governed by Gravity. Anything being real is considering one not being a part of the Gravitational Constant of the Universe. Vision is one Avenger who can turn intangible and change his density. Umm... He was one of the people fighting against Graviton in the original battle. Altering density DOESN'T mean taking all your mass away so as long there is mass whether it's tangible or not; is still effected by gravity.Aren't intangibles still governed by gravity though? if they weren't they would all float away when ever they used their powers.
no she can just control it to such a degree that she can walk on air molecules@LordOfAllHumans said:
Aren't intangibles still governed by gravity though? if they weren't they would all float away when ever they used their powers.I don't think so but I could be wrong. Kitty Pryde has used her intangibility to fly before
I disagree. The Avengers roster from the cartoon, at the time they fought Graviton, only had Thor and Hulk. The Justice League had Superman, Wonder Woman, and Martian Manhunter. All three of them were just as strong, if not stronger than those two, not to mention that neither of them have strength feats that exceed one another. The Avengers also didn't have a speedster on their roster. They didn't have prep, either. JL would have an easier time with Graviton than the Avengers would.Justice League may have more relative powerhouses on their team, but Avengers has the stronger powerhouses. I agree that telepathy against Graviton would be a deciding factor but besides that I don't think this Justice League has what it takes. Martian Manhunter with telepathy and intangibility is the only one who has a shot. Everyone else gets beaten.
@Static Shock said:
@weaponxxx said:I disagree. The Avengers roster from the cartoon, at the time they fought Graviton, only had Thor and Hulk. The Justice League had Superman, Wonder Woman, and Martian Manhunter. All three of them were just as strong, if not stronger than those two, not to mention that neither of them have strength feats that exceed one another. The Avengers also didn't have a speedster on their roster. They didn't have prep, either. JL would have an easier time with Graviton than the Avengers would.Justice League may have more relative powerhouses on their team, but Avengers has the stronger powerhouses. I agree that telepathy against Graviton would be a deciding factor but besides that I don't think this Justice League has what it takes. Martian Manhunter with telepathy and intangibility is the only one who has a shot. Everyone else gets beaten.
Why do you say that? The top strength feat from Superman that I can remember would be his fight with Darkseid. Which was impressive but brief. Thor and Hulk had much more impressive strength showings in their fight with Graviton alone. I can't recall many huge feats for the other members strength wise as the whole cast of characters (except amazo) were seriously toned down for the animated universe. Superman's speed feats were almost nonexistant. Green Lantern's shields were notoriously breakable and WonderWoman and Martian Manhunter had strength feats comparable to Iron Man in the show. Thor and Hulk have had better showings in a shorter amount of time. Not to mention Pym, Tony, and Black Panther have much more brain and tactical power demonstrated than anyone on the League roster (except Batman who nontheless is outnumbered 3 to 1) I'm just saying that overall the DCAU waters down character stats to retain excitement and tension and comprehension for viewers, so far the Avengers universe has not been as toned down
I say it because I don't remember any notable strength showings from Thor or Hulk in their fight with Graviton. All they did was attempt to pummel him with physical attacks. The bulk (if not all of their strength showings) come from fighting other powerhouses, which is the same in Justice League. Hulk tossed some antenna-looking thing into orbit during the whole Gamma radiation fiasco, but there's no telling how much that thing actually weighed. Thor just hit things with his hammer, and I don't recall him lifting anything, either. I don't deny that DCAU was toned down, but there's also nothing supporting the Avengers being as powerful as their comic book counterparts. It's safe to say that they have been toned down, also, because they have yet to duplicate the feats of their comic book versions. Pym, Tony, and T'Challa have more brain and tactical power than everyone on the JL except for Batman because they are geniuses (while the Justice League has only one). In relevance to which team has more powerhouses, who's smarter than who isn't relevant. Besides, Black Panther wasn't even on the team when the Avengers were fighting Graviton. Even then, I don't recall Pym or Tony's brain power helping them against Graviton, anyway.Why do you say that? The top strength feat from Superman that I can remember would be his fight with Darkseid. Which was impressive but brief. Thor and Hulk had much more impressive strength showings in their fight with Graviton alone. I can't recall many huge feats for the other members strength wise as the whole cast of characters (except amazo) were seriously toned down for the animated universe. Superman's speed feats were almost nonexistant. Green Lantern's shields were notoriously breakable and WonderWoman and Martian Manhunter had strength feats comparable to Iron Man in the show. Thor and Hulk have had better showings in a shorter amount of time. Not to mention Pym, Tony, and Black Panther have much more brain and tactical power demonstrated than anyone on the League roster (except Batman who nontheless is outnumbered 3 to 1) I'm just saying that overall the DCAU waters down character stats to retain excitement and tension and comprehension for viewers, so far the Avengers universe has not been as toned down
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