@justleader said:
@greenteaforme: I know, that skyfather is a fanmade word, but is symbolizes the power level, meaning herald level have planet level showings perhaps more, abstracts have universal+ showings, skyfather have galax level showings, but like i said Zeus' feats aren't enough to win this battle since he doesn't even have a planatery level feat, but by powerscaling he should.
Look at this scan:
Here Galactus says no mere skyfather could resist, meaning skyfathers (like Zeus and Odin) cant resist....., this proves that Zeus is though not as powerful as Odin but is on his level.
actually, that scan is out of context. The reason that Galactus says "no mere Skyfather could resist..." is not because Zeus is uber powerful, it's because he's NOT. Zeus does not have the power to harm Galactus or resists his attacks, and the G man knows this; the reason why he's perplexed? It's because THAT is NOT ZEUS. It's actually Mikaboshi, who IS more powerful than Zeus and Odin and who, to my knowledge, could beat the sh*t out of Galactus.
Again, not Zeus, but Mikaboshi.
@PunkMastaFlex said:
Arguments has devolved from sharing opinions to arrive at a conclusion to simply inundating ignorance and biased statements repleted with fallacies now as opposed to arriving at a reasonable conclusion, the philosophical premise is flawed and thus shall be the conclusion.
Aside from stated paragraph, copy and pasted from pages ago:
@PunkMastaFlex said:
@Jayfournines said:
And....still...no one has posted any Zeus feats
Feats matter little when it comes to skyfathers. To debate on the behalf of the Justice League would depict delusion and transforms the debate at hand into that of a subjective one and thus, flawed claim.
so....if a character wins automatically merely because they hold the title 'skyfather', what is there to debate about? I dunno, I still don't buy it that merely cause you have a title it puts you above creatures who move at lightspeed and control energy.
The power difference between one holding the title of a Skyfather hangs precariously above that of the most powerful heralds. The very idea of the creation, hype, and claims depicting beings to be on such a power level is for the vocation of placing them in an entirely separate tier than those of Heralds and below. Bor has not portrayed any feats that postulates the suggestion of even facing Superman thus far and ever had if one judges only based on the fight he had with Odin Force Thor. Envisage that fight was only drawn out, nothing written, no narration nor statement. Many would presume their power levels to be below that of Superman's by comparison in that case. The dialogues insinuates Bor's power to be unfathomable that regular Thor; whom is around Wonder Woman's level of power, would have died from one strike if it were not for the Odin Force. A couple of strikes from Zeus fell Hulk, whom officially possesses nigh-invulnerability; obviously exceeding that of Thor's. What's not to assume that if Zeus incorporates such power into blasts, manifesting itself into that of what Zeus wishes? Is this my speculation? Obviously it is. However think about this, would it not be far fetched to claim that a being stated to be as powerful as Odin to preform such a feat? Skyfathers typically had feats that postulates them being able to their power to nearly any effect the writer envisages, up to the galactic level. As I stated earlier, the vocation of the label Skyfather implies creatures of such rank's power hangs precariously over that of anyone below their tier. In writing, the writer's WILL write to accommodate the Skyfather's power and shift the fight into their favour.
Despise the amount of claims and walls of texts you can construct, you can't argue the fact that characters whom are written to be on the Skyfather tier or a tier repleting of beings that has preformed feats on the galactic level be taken down by some Heralds? Once I see one subjective approach in depiction insinuating this topic, I will know for a fact that it has bolstered to the point where your statements would become biased and once that happens, it'll be meaningless to "argue" further.
It's evident that Marvel's incarnation of Zeus is in possession of little feats so in an argument with the purpose of "winning", Zeus would lose due to lack of feats. Logically and realistically however, a fight with Marvel's Zeus would go similar to how Zeus fought the Avenger's and the Hulk but this is only one way to envisage it. Place yourself in the writer's seat, you have the authority to control how Zeus would use his power. A being claimed to be as powerful as Odin; whom has destroyed galaxies as a side effect of his battles; (Fun fact, there are thousands to billions of solar systems in a galaxy and as for how big a solar system is, you can imagine) you have the power to write him as you please to the limitations of his abilities in an all out fight against the JLA. Cognizant of how powerful a skyfather is and how their power can be shaped and manipulated to how you would like it, you could practically allow Zeus to simply nuke the JLA and ending the battle right then and there, but that would be no fun.
@WillPayton:
Skyfather rankings from my speculation:
Above Herald/Under Skyfather tier: Thanos
Low level Skyfather: Darkseid
Mid level Skyfather: Mephisto in his realm.
High level Skyfather: Dormammu in his realm, Zeus, Odin.
Pinnacle: Rune Thor.
The problem with debates about little feats to naught of some characters on such a power level like Zeus is that due to their presumed magic, statements of their unfathomable power, and their abilities to bolster their attributes to such an extent that they can beat down top tier brutes such as Thor and Hulk with little to no difficulty, is that it goes two ways, one is how the fight should go, and one is how the fight would go in a debate under this site's rules.
EDIT: In the situation of arguments, might as well simply write "there's nothing that doesn't postulate Superman simply flying at his maximum speed and punching thousands of times to turn Zeus's lights out", because there isn't. Hulk isn't anywhere near as fast as Superman and the velocity of Superman's speed in correlation with his strength would prove to be devastating. Nothing postulates Zeus from not being able to stay awake after such strikes after all since Zeus's physical attributes doesn't insinuate anything to defend him against Superman's onslaught.
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