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#1 Edited by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

EVERYBODY PICTURED

  • Morals are on
  • Random encounter
  • Win by KO/Death/Incapacitation
#2 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

nobody

#3 Posted by spinningbirdcake (1428 posts) - - Show Bio

Well it's not even a fair fight. Avengers can just bull rush JL. A better match up would be the Justice League vs Hickman's New Avengers (Illuminati.) It would be fairer anyway.

#4 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@spinningbirdcake said:

Well it's not even a fair fight. Avengers can just bull rush JL. A better match up would be the Justice League vs Hickman's New Avengers (Illuminati.) It would be fairer anyway.

i put the line up like this because people say flash and supes could solo

#5 Posted by TDK_1997 (13689 posts) - - Show Bio

Are you serious?The Avengers have Captain Universe who can just wipe out the League.

#6 Posted by spinningbirdcake (1428 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades said:

@spinningbirdcake said:

Well it's not even a fair fight. Avengers can just bull rush JL. A better match up would be the Justice League vs Hickman's New Avengers (Illuminati.) It would be fairer anyway.

i put the line up like this because people say flash and supes could solo

Yeah I get that. No way Supes solos all these guys though. Pre52 Supes had quite a battle with Hulk and Post52 Superman is less powerful. If you throw Hulk and Thor on Supes, Hyperion on WW, Captain Universe and some others on GL, I think Spidey or Cap can take out Bats, and there's still plenty of Avengers left over. I never get the Flash can solo argument because if that was the case he would solve every JL related problem. Plus Barry isn't as fast as Wally.

#7 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@TDK_1997 said:

Are you serious?The Avengers have Captain Universe who can just wipe out the League.

ok who on the dc side i can put to make this more fair you think or should i take out capt universe

#8 Edited by LordMasterGod (188 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades said:

@spinningbirdcake said:

Well it's not even a fair fight. Avengers can just bull rush JL. A better match up would be the Justice League vs Hickman's New Avengers (Illuminati.) It would be fairer anyway.

i put the line up like this because people say flash and supes could solo

True. They most likely still are going to say it.

#9 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@spinningbirdcake said:

@jackofspades said:

@spinningbirdcake said:

Well it's not even a fair fight. Avengers can just bull rush JL. A better match up would be the Justice League vs Hickman's New Avengers (Illuminati.) It would be fairer anyway.

i put the line up like this because people say flash and supes could solo

Yeah I get that. No way Supes solos all these guys though. Pre52 Supes had quite a battle with Hulk and Post52 Superman is less powerful. If you throw Hulk and Thor on Supes, Hyperion on WW, Captain Universe and some others on GL, I think Spidey or Cap can take out Bats, and there's still plenty of Avengers left over. I never get the Flash can solo argument because if that was the case he would solve every JL related problem. Plus Barry isn't as fast as Wally.

i never got it too about flash but people on comicvine say it

#10 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

ok because people say this is one sided i put in pre-52 dr fate for dc

#11 Posted by Esquire (3742 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades: Which host for Fate? And when you say "everybody pictured," does that include the people in the background of the Justice League picture, for example Hawkman?

#12 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades: Which host for Fate? And when you say "everybody pictured," does that include the people in the background of the Justice League picture, for example Hawkman?

Kent V. Nelson for dr fate and just the heroes in front for the justice league

#13 Posted by TDK_1997 (13689 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades said:

@TDK_1997 said:

Are you serious?The Avengers have Captain Universe who can just wipe out the League.

ok who on the dc side i can put to make this more fair you think or should i take out capt universe

Take out Cap Universe and everything will be fine.

#14 Posted by son_of_tomorrow (493 posts) - - Show Bio

Mismatch,and I don't see why people say flash can solo in most of the other battles either.I mean yea he's fast,but he has been tagged many times to just through out the other contender because he's slower.I mean flash does get tired,it might take some hours but him moving for hours will wear him out.But I could see the avengers winning this just because of their numbers.

#15 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@TDK_1997 said:

@jackofspades said:

@TDK_1997 said:

Are you serious?The Avengers have Captain Universe who can just wipe out the League.

ok who on the dc side i can put to make this more fair you think or should i take out capt universe

Take out Cap Universe and everything will be fine.

even if dr fate is in now

#16 Posted by darkelf35 (518 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash SOLO's

Flash wins speed force is crazy OP.

Before reading i did this for Flash traveling near light speed flash has shown Light speed feats, so this is very applicable.

Some flash Speeds (not top speed)

Speed of thought+running speed.

500,000 people @ chongjin Base a longtime military target

Distance to safe point 35mi (round trip 70 mi)

Carries 1 sometimes 2 people at a time.

Total time per person 2^-11or .000000000001 per person required to run 70 miles.

Movement speed Approaching light speed.

Comparison: wally vs human

person top running speed 27.45 mph (.0007265 mps) so slow :(

light speed (299792458 mps)

Wally is 412559642100 times faster than a human

m=m01v2c2−−−−−√

Δt=Δt1v2c2−−−−−−√

412559642100x Δt'm1->LS 412559642100^5

Impact force = m0/SQr -(V2/E2) 412351566kg mass punch 13915X harder than a FULL power Hit from hulk traveling at 500 MPH backed by 1000LBS and 200 Ton STr

His is also moving at the speed of thought as he has to pick up people and move them safety to the other side of the river requiring concentration levels of 4-5 on the standard 1-7 MUCC

MUCC concentration level used while studying 5-6 1/6th is 1.6666667 appx or 16.667 % leaving 83.3333

412559642100x83.333

343799564100 times faster than human though

1 Flash hour is 343799564100 times more productive than a human hour (Potentially produced work)

m=m01v2c2−−−−−√

Δt=Δt1v2c2−−−−−−√

6,912 languages on earth x2000 hours Time takes to master a new language (approx) 138224000 hours to master all 1Fh=343799564100-138224000=343661340100

books

129,864,880 (books in world) avg book length 100,000 words (250 to 300) words per minute flash 275x343799564100=9.454488e+13 (Flashes PAGES Per minute)

1,2986488e+13 pages in all books

⇒Flash could Read every book, study every language watch ever movie on par FF speed in less than 1 hour!

IMAGINE THAT

http://www.proofwiki.org/wiki/Einstein's_Mass-Velocity_Equation

http://storytime.booklamp.org/2012/03/19/how-long-is-the-average-book-a-concrete-answer-to-a-longstanding-writing-faq/

http://thenextweb.com/google/2010/08/05/how-many-books-are-in-the-world-google-actually-counted/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Words_per_minute

#17 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkelf35 said:

Flash SOLO's

Flash wins speed force is crazy OP.

Before reading i did this for Flash traveling near light speed flash has shown Light speed feats, so this is very applicable.

Some flash Speeds (not top speed)

Speed of thought+running speed.

500,000 people @ chongjin Base a longtime military target

Distance to safe point 35mi (round trip 70 mi)

Carries 1 sometimes 2 people at a time.

Total time per person 2^-11or .000000000001 per person required to run 70 miles.

Movement speed Approaching light speed.

Comparison: wally vs human

person top running speed 27.45 mph (.0007265 mps) so slow :(

light speed (299792458 mps)

Wally is 412559642100 times faster than a human

m=m01v2c2−−−−−√

Δt=Δt1v2c2−−−−−−√

412559642100x Δt'm1->LS 412559642100^5

Impact force = m0/SQr -(V2/E2) 412351566kg mass punch 13915X harder than a FULL power Hit from hulk traveling at 500 MPH backed by 1000LBS and 200 Ton STr

His is also moving at the speed of thought as he has to pick up people and move them safety to the other side of the river requiring concentration levels of 4-5 on the standard 1-7 MUCC

MUCC concentration level used while studying 5-6 1/6th is 1.6666667 appx or 16.667 % leaving 83.3333

412559642100x83.333

343799564100 times faster than human though

1 Flash hour is 343799564100 times more productive than a human hour (Potentially produced work)

m=m01v2c2−−−−−√

Δt=Δt1v2c2−−−−−−√

6,912 languages on earth x2000 hours Time takes to master a new language (approx) 138224000 hours to master all 1Fh=343799564100-138224000=343661340100

books

129,864,880 (books in world) avg book length 100,000 words (250 to 300) words per minute flash 275x343799564100=9.454488e+13 (Flashes PAGES Per minute)

1,2986488e+13 pages in all books

⇒Flash could Read every book, study every language watch ever movie on par FF speed in less than 1 hour!

IMAGINE THAT

http://www.proofwiki.org/wiki/Einstein's_Mass-Velocity_Equation

http://storytime.booklamp.org/2012/03/19/how-long-is-the-average-book-a-concrete-answer-to-a-longstanding-writing-faq/

http://thenextweb.com/google/2010/08/05/how-many-books-are-in-the-world-google-actually-counted/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Words_per_minute

@son_of_tomorrow said:

Mismatch,and I don't see why people say flash can solo in most of the other battles either.I mean yea he's fast,but he has been tagged many times to just through out the other contender because he's slower.I mean flash does get tired,it might take some hours but him moving for hours will wear him out.But I could see the avengers winning this just because of their numbers.

see people think flash solos that's why i gave the avengers a chance

#18 Posted by TDK_1997 (13689 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades said:

@TDK_1997 said:

@jackofspades said:

@TDK_1997 said:

Are you serious?The Avengers have Captain Universe who can just wipe out the League.

ok who on the dc side i can put to make this more fair you think or should i take out capt universe

Take out Cap Universe and everything will be fine.

even if dr fate is in now

Well yeas.Captain Universe is a force that destroyed recently a creature that Thor,Hulk and Hyperion couldn't destroy and can stop the JLA pretty easily.

#19 Posted by darkelf35 (518 posts) - - Show Bio

Well its not all about flash superman has shown near light speed feats. Most people dont understand exactally how strong that makes someone. Speed is a HUGE factor in why DC > marvel for most fights. Only a few of marvels characters have displayed FTL feats and none of them are in this fight

#20 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@TDK_1997 said:

@jackofspades said:

@TDK_1997 said:

@jackofspades said:

@TDK_1997 said:

Are you serious?The Avengers have Captain Universe who can just wipe out the League.

ok who on the dc side i can put to make this more fair you think or should i take out capt universe

Take out Cap Universe and everything will be fine.

even if dr fate is in now

Well yeas.Captain Universe is a force that destroyed recently a creature that Thor,Hulk and Hyperion couldn't destroy and can stop the JLA pretty easily.

i think its a better match up now that dr fate is in it

#21 Posted by son_of_tomorrow (493 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkelf35 said:

Flash SOLO's

Flash wins speed force is crazy OP.

Before reading i did this for Flash traveling near light speed flash has shown Light speed feats, so this is very applicable.

Some flash Speeds (not top speed)

Speed of thought+running speed.

500,000 people @ chongjin Base a longtime military target

Distance to safe point 35mi (round trip 70 mi)

Carries 1 sometimes 2 people at a time.

Total time per person 2^-11or .000000000001 per person required to run 70 miles.

Movement speed Approaching light speed.

Comparison: wally vs human

person top running speed 27.45 mph (.0007265 mps) so slow :(

light speed (299792458 mps)

Wally is 412559642100 times faster than a human

m=m01v2c2−−−−−√

Δt=Δt1v2c2−−−−−−√

412559642100x Δt'm1->LS 412559642100^5

Impact force = m0/SQr -(V2/E2) 412351566kg mass punch 13915X harder than a FULL power Hit from hulk traveling at 500 MPH backed by 1000LBS and 200 Ton STr

His is also moving at the speed of thought as he has to pick up people and move them safety to the other side of the river requiring concentration levels of 4-5 on the standard 1-7 MUCC

MUCC concentration level used while studying 5-6 1/6th is 1.6666667 appx or 16.667 % leaving 83.3333

412559642100x83.333

343799564100 times faster than human though

1 Flash hour is 343799564100 times more productive than a human hour (Potentially produced work)

m=m01v2c2−−−−−√

Δt=Δt1v2c2−−−−−−√

6,912 languages on earth x2000 hours Time takes to master a new language (approx) 138224000 hours to master all 1Fh=343799564100-138224000=343661340100

books

129,864,880 (books in world) avg book length 100,000 words (250 to 300) words per minute flash 275x343799564100=9.454488e+13 (Flashes PAGES Per minute)

1,2986488e+13 pages in all books

⇒Flash could Read every book, study every language watch ever movie on par FF speed in less than 1 hour!

IMAGINE THAT

http://www.proofwiki.org/wiki/Einstein's_Mass-Velocity_Equation

http://storytime.booklamp.org/2012/03/19/how-long-is-the-average-book-a-concrete-answer-to-a-longstanding-writing-faq/

http://thenextweb.com/google/2010/08/05/how-many-books-are-in-the-world-google-actually-counted/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Words_per_minute

That's a lot of info there dude

#22 Posted by darkelf35 (518 posts) - - Show Bio

@son_of_tomorrow: well, I Had some good green and felt like doing math.

#23 Posted by sammystorm75 (157 posts) - - Show Bio

They Have Captain Universe and he is powerful and he can bond with spidey and be pretty powerful if super man can stay in the sun for 15 like what he did one time he could win.

#24 Posted by Nightflash (713 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkelf35: Physics rarely ever apply in comics, this is barry not wally and since the new 52 the flash isnt as fast as he used to be. How would he solo when there are avengers with flight? All that stuff about him learning stuff is flawed. He is still human and will suffer from fatigueness. After all of that studying Barrys brain will be suffering from fatigue too. Learning doesnt only depend on speed but memory. How would he watch every movie? The time it takes to watch a movie doesnt depend on your own speed but the movies length.

#25 Posted by darkelf35 (518 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually u are semi wrong. The Both marvel and DC tend to pride themselves on having Semi accurate Physiscs while adding in a touch of their own Made up stuff.

Why would flash Tire after 1 hour of studying at super speed when he has been show to be able to keep the Speed force open for more than 1 day. Also Maybe you misunderstood me when i posted about the movie thing. "watch every movie on par FF speed" I meant he could watch every movie if he watched the movies With Fast Foward on Par with his super speed. The feat i used as a Base calcualting speed wasnt anywhere near Flash's max speed. it was about 2.7x slower than one of his FTL feats. Also while you are correct about the lack of memory space the human mind has enough memory space to remember every language and books take up very very little memory space as they are stored in a part of the brain that is designed for compressing information. It was more of a hypothetical Theory than a Factual approach, and i never said he could memorize and retain i simply stated that it is within his powers to "Flash could Read every book, study every language watch ever movie on par FF speed in less than 1 hour!"

Also you can check my math and go over the facts i presented I Submited links below where you can verify the data. fatigueness is also not a word. And the Human mind has a system for recycling old data that is no longer uses or no longer has room for Its know and forgetting.

#26 Posted by darkelf35 (518 posts) - - Show Bio

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#27 Posted by GypRosetti (347 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkelf35: Speed is not as huge a factor as everyone here makes out otherwise Flash would never get hit. Thor takes the fight into a dimension without a yellow sun, Superman is powerless. Flash will eventually tire and the rest are easy pickings.

#28 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

ok i guys now i threw in Martian Manhunter who wins

#29 Posted by Esquire (3742 posts) - - Show Bio

@GypRosetti said:

@darkelf35: Speed is not as huge a factor as everyone here makes out otherwise Flash would never get hit. Thor takes the fight into a dimension without a yellow sun, Superman is powerless. Flash will eventually tire and the rest are easy pickings.

New-52 Superman was able to bench-press the earth for 5 days while he wasn't exposed to a yellow sun. Just because he isn't exposed to one doesn't mean his powers disappear, it just means that he's not constantly getting stronger. Flash gets energy from the Speed Force, he very rarely tires. There's no reason to believe that he will in this fight, even if it takes hours. (Which is an extremely long fight for a battle between so few characters.)

All of those feats are of pre-52 Wally, who's better than New-52 Barry. So they don't have very much relevance here.

#30 Posted by darkelf35 (518 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire: Hi, Thanks for clarifying that for him i was a bit to lazy to type it out.

The feat i used was by no means wally's top running speed. I am willing to bet New-52 Barry will show or has shown FTL speeds.

#31 Posted by Esquire (3742 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkelf35 said:

The feat i used was by no means wally's top running speed. I am willing to bet New-52 Barry will show or has shown FTL speeds.

The fact is, Wally has far better feats than any other Flash. Even Pre-52 Barry's showings aren't on Wally's level. New-52 Barry has no speed feats to compare with pre-52 Wally, so using Wally's feats, even if they aren't his best, isn't an accurate description of Barry's power-levels or why he would win in a battle. If you can't provide FTL feats for Current Barry, then you cannot argue using them.

#32 Posted by comicace3 (1897 posts) - - Show Bio

DR. Fate would be a problem...

#33 Posted by GypRosetti (347 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire: Was the change in Superman's powers re the Sun explained in storyline or just a given after a reboot?

#34 Posted by Esquire (3742 posts) - - Show Bio

@GypRosetti said:

@Esquire: Was the change in Superman's powers re the Sun explained in storyline or just a given after a reboot?

That's how Superman's powers have always worked, or at least since Crisis on Infinite Earths. He metabolizes Yellow Sun rays. He's essentially a battery for solar energy. Just because he's not being charged up doesn't mean he's powerless, he still has a couple of decades' worth of solar energy in his cells. Are you thinking of a Red Sun depowering him? Red Sun rays sap his energy, although that won't instantly depower him, either.

Thor could theoretically teleport him to a system with a Red Sun, but he would a) have to be able to outreact the JLA, [since most of them except maybe Batman and Cyborg have better reactions], b) get Superman teleported with him, [Thor usually only teleports himself. He can teleport other people, but iirc they have to be near him to get caught in the portal Mjolnir opens], and c) the Avengers would have to stop Cyborg from simply boom-tubing Superman back to a yellow sun.

#35 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire said:

@GypRosetti said:

@Esquire: Was the change in Superman's powers re the Sun explained in storyline or just a given after a reboot?

That's how Superman's powers have always worked, or at least since Crisis on Infinite Earths. He metabolizes Yellow Sun rays. He's essentially a battery for solar energy. Just because he's not being charged up doesn't mean he's powerless, he still has a couple of decades' worth of solar energy in his cells. Are you thinking of a Red Sun depowering him? Red Sun rays sap his energy, although that won't instantly depower him, either.

Thor could theoretically teleport him to a system with a Red Sun, but he would a) have to be able to outreact the JLA, [since most of them except maybe Batman and Cyborg have better reactions], b) get Superman teleported with him, [Thor usually only teleports himself. He can teleport other people, but iirc they have to be near him to get caught in the portal Mjolnir opens], and c) the Avengers would have to stop Cyborg from simply boom-tubing Superman back to a yellow sun.

dont forget manifold is a teleporter too

#36 Posted by GypRosetti (347 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire: Hulk or Hyperion or Iron Man could easily take care of Cyborg preventing him from interfering with Thor. Thor teleport's Superman to a planet with a red sun, leaves him there and comes back after The Avengers have finished taking out the others.

#37 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@GypRosetti said:

@Esquire: Hulk or Hyperion or Iron Man could easily take care of Cyborg preventing him from interfering with Thor. Thor teleport's Superman to a planet with a red sun, leaves him there and comes back after The Avengers have finished taking out the others.

sounds like a plan but what about MM

#38 Posted by Ddecourt (796 posts) - - Show Bio

Avengers has the edge. I don't see JLA winning here in anyway.

#39 Posted by Esquire (3742 posts) - - Show Bio

@GypRosetti said:

@Esquire: Hulk or Hyperion or Iron Man could easily take care of Cyborg preventing him from interfering with Thor. Thor teleport's Superman to a planet with a red sun, leaves him there and comes back after The Avengers have finished taking out the others.

If you want to play BFR wars, Cyborg is simply far better equipped for it. Justice League has Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Dr Fate, and Aquaman to protect Cyborg from being blitzed, and he can then teleport away anyone without substantial superspeed. His boom tubes are a far more effective method of doing so offensively than Manifold's and Thor's portals, too. Then it's the JLA vs a very depleted Avengers roster, and the JLA should win. Nobody except Manifold and Thor can return very quickly after being teleported away, and they can't take the JL on by themselves. They're defeated, and then Cyborg retrieves the Avengers one by one and they get stomped by the League.

This is naturally out-of-character, but then so is Thor teleporting Superman away.

#40 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire said:

@GypRosetti said:

@Esquire: Hulk or Hyperion or Iron Man could easily take care of Cyborg preventing him from interfering with Thor. Thor teleport's Superman to a planet with a red sun, leaves him there and comes back after The Avengers have finished taking out the others.

If you want to play BFR wars, Cyborg is simply far better equipped for it. Justice League has Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Dr Fate, and Aquaman to protect Cyborg from being blitzed, and he can then teleport away anyone without substantial superspeed. His boom tubes are a far more effective method of doing so offensively than Manifold's and Thor's portals, too. Then it's the JLA vs a very depleted Avengers roster, and the JLA should win. Nobody except Manifold and Thor can return very quickly after being teleported away, and they can't take the JL on by themselves. They're defeated, and then Cyborg retrieves the Avengers one by one and they get stomped by the League.

This is naturally out-of-character, but then so is Thor teleporting Superman away.

i think manifold is better with the teleporting

#41 Posted by Esquire (3742 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades said:

i think manifold is better with the teleporting

Define "better." Manifold is perhaps better able to teleport himself, as he doesn't need to know the exact location of his destination. But in an offensive battle of teleporting, Manifold has to open portals and then somehow force his enemy through them. Cyborg operates under no such restriction.

#42 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

i think manifold is better with the teleporting

Define "better." Manifold is perhaps better able to teleport himself, as he doesn't need to know the exact location of his destination. But in an offensive battle of teleporting, Manifold has to open portals and then somehow force his enemy through them. Cyborg operates under no such restriction.

in the last issue manifold put battleships inside of each other that's power

#43 Posted by Esquire (3742 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades said:

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

i think manifold is better with the teleporting

Define "better." Manifold is perhaps better able to teleport himself, as he doesn't need to know the exact location of his destination. But in an offensive battle of teleporting, Manifold has to open portals and then somehow force his enemy through them. Cyborg operates under no such restriction.

in the last issue manifold put battleships inside of each other that's power

I'm not arguing who's more powerful, I'm arguing who would be more useful in a hypothetical war of temporary BFR. Although I'm now done arguing that, since I've already stated that I don't think it will happen in-character.

#44 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

i think manifold is better with the teleporting

Define "better." Manifold is perhaps better able to teleport himself, as he doesn't need to know the exact location of his destination. But in an offensive battle of teleporting, Manifold has to open portals and then somehow force his enemy through them. Cyborg operates under no such restriction.

in the last issue manifold put battleships inside of each other that's power

I'm not arguing who's more powerful, I'm arguing who would be more useful in a hypothetical war of temporary BFR. Although I'm now done arguing that, since I've already stated that I don't think it will happen in-character.

thats what iam saying cap told him to do it and he did that's in-character

#45 Posted by New_World_Order (11177 posts) - - Show Bio

@spinningbirdcake said:

@jackofspades said:

@spinningbirdcake said:

Well it's not even a fair fight. Avengers can just bull rush JL. A better match up would be the Justice League vs Hickman's New Avengers (Illuminati.) It would be fairer anyway.

i put the line up like this because people say flash and supes could solo

Yeah I get that. No way Supes solos all these guys though. Pre52 Supes had quite a battle with Hulk and Post52 Superman is less powerful. If you throw Hulk and Thor on Supes, Hyperion on WW, Captain Universe and some others on GL, I think Spidey or Cap can take out Bats, and there's still plenty of Avengers left over. I never get the Flash can solo argument because if that was the case he would solve every JL related problem. Plus Barry isn't as fast as Wally.

I agree with all of this. Mostly the Flash part !

#46 Posted by GypRosetti (347 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire: Even without BFR you divide and conquer. Cyborg, Batman, Hawkeye & Black Widow are sitting ducks in this battle. They can be easily one shotted by any number of the opposition so can Flash IF hit. If you target the weak links the strong links in the chain are drawn out to protect them and that leaves Superman, the strongest member of the JL, who can be hurt with magic (Thor) open. Once Superman is out of the equation it's straightforward.

#47 Posted by TDK_1997 (13689 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades said:

@TDK_1997 said:

@jackofspades said:

@TDK_1997 said:

@jackofspades said:

@TDK_1997 said:

Are you serious?The Avengers have Captain Universe who can just wipe out the League.

ok who on the dc side i can put to make this more fair you think or should i take out capt universe

Take out Cap Universe and everything will be fine.

even if dr fate is in now

Well yeas.Captain Universe is a force that destroyed recently a creature that Thor,Hulk and Hyperion couldn't destroy and can stop the JLA pretty easily.

i think its a better match up now that dr fate is in it

Now with MM it's kinda better but it's still a win for the Avengers with Cap Universe.

#48 Posted by drgnx (3513 posts) - - Show Bio

@TDK_1997:

I agree

#49 Posted by jashro44 (16462 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

i think manifold is better with the teleporting

Define "better." Manifold is perhaps better able to teleport himself, as he doesn't need to know the exact location of his destination. But in an offensive battle of teleporting, Manifold has to open portals and then somehow force his enemy through them. Cyborg operates under no such restriction.

I haven't read the thread and I am not saying the avengers win but in avengers #5 manifold was teleporting some alien space crafts inside each other to destroy them.

#50 Posted by jashro44 (16462 posts) - - Show Bio

The JLA look like they have a lot of speed on them. All though I would like to know more about the new captain universe before I give the JLA the win.