Justice League vs Avengers vs X-Men & Fantastic 4

no prep.

no BFR.

win by death or ko.

takes place in empty earth.

every one in the pictures ( just the main 7 members for JL not the people in the background).

explain your answer.

all bloodlust and morals off.

new 52 version.

fantastic 4 and x-men are working together.

don't leave an answer if you aren't going to explain why.

no Phoenix, no void and magneto is in X-Men and FF's team.

@Qpzmg: I can only see the x-men picture, who are the members on the other teams

@dondave said:

@Qpzmg: I can only see the x-men picture, who are the members on the other teams

there they are

avengers

Justice League

Why

uhhh wolverine is used twice....

No that's Daken in the avengers

JLA. They have better heavy hitters.

JLA wins because speedsters are some bullshit.

edit: Actually, if that's new 52 Barry Allen then it's not quite that bad. Bloodlusted Sentry might actually solo. I think he's the only matter manipulator of the bunch and he's got every bit the needed speed and durability to take hits from the others while he makes people stop existing.

Basically, listing the real influencing characters of this fight: Sentry, Jean Grey (If Phoenix, if not lul speed blitzed), Flash, Superman, Wonder Woman, Iceman (if it's the practically indestructible iteration), maaaybe Human Torch depending on the version, Green Lantern, Miss Marvel (meh).

While JLA has the highest number of high end characters, Phoenix Force Jean and Void/Sentry are leagues beyond everyone else in terms of abilities that can decide this brawl. If it's the versions specifically in the pictures (like how we're using New 52 Flash instead of Wally, who would probably solo everyone but Phoenix), then I probably have to go with Phoenix and the X Men taking this one. Even if Sentry and WW/Superman had the chops to handle a cosmic entity, it wouldn't be for long.

JLA I think they have better team work, but the new avengers team is tough man sentry is on there now? I having difficulty choosimg but I still think the JLA would barely win it seems like they have better durability to me.

is Magneto part of the X-MEN team?

Yeah magneto is in x men team.

Justice League wins, but as the other guy said Void Sentry could solo.

No void.

Don't really need void. Phoenix cleans up everything anyhow.

No Phoenix.

I'd still probably stick with a bloodlusted Sentry + avengers. Unparalleled energy manipulation, arguably the best stats of the lot, telepathy etc. He's got the money list of powers. JLA could put up a heck of a fight, but assuming the rest of the avengers can occupy people from ganging up on Sentry (and frankly that might not even matter, what with literally being blown up magically and just popping back like it ain't no thing, so it's not like anyone in this thing can keep him down), I can see him schooling any and everyone 1on1.

edit: Oh I forgot that he also actively has better molecular control than Molecule Man and schools him in that so yeah even non-void Sentry wrecks everyone, only Phoenix was really in his way (and that was debatable).

Bump

Justice League. Too many big hitters (Superman/Flash/Wonder Woman (magic weapons)/Green Lantern). Crap, 2 out of 3 of their their low guys have game (Aquaman (TP)/Cyborg).

X-Man have an outside shot if Jean/PsiLocke can do a mind rape from behind a Magneto force field.

I don't think Sentry can use his molecule manipulation while he is getting his ass kicked. He really has little or no combat skills.

Fantastic Four have no chance. If Human Torch has the Cosmic Rod, they might last a little while.

X-men and fantastic 4 are working together.

@Qpzmg: Missed that. Thanks for the correction.

I think I I still go with the JLA, though it is a lot closer now. Johnny can go nova. Susie's force bubbles inside someone can help. Her shields can't take many hits though before she passes out though.

how many of these guys are using metal as armor weapons etc.

An actual debatable Justice League battle.........

Gold Star to @Qpzmg:

I think people are really uneducated on Sentry's feats if they think anyone in the new 52 JL could handle him.

Pretty sure that's spiderman, just with the venom symbiote.

No jean grey.

Why

Welcome to the battle forums, where people don't actually explain how they think a fight will go and knee jerk it.

@Dredeuced said:

Welcome to the battle forums, where people don't actually explain how they think a fight will go and knee jerk it.

Agreed.

I want to know if telepathy can affect the New-52 Superman, i'm assuming it can based on the fact that he's never resisted it.

So I think the X Men/FF4 team would win because of the telepaths + rogue + others.

Even if Superman can't be beat by telepaths, the rest of his team-mates can be. The majority of them can be beaten/challenged by the other X-Men and as Rogue picks up more and more power she'll be able to overcome them all as they all battle it out, unless she's taken out early.

@Sufferthorn said:

@Dredeuced said:

Welcome to the battle forums, where people don't actually explain how they think a fight will go and knee jerk it.

Agreed.

I want to know if telepathy can affect the New-52 Superman, i'm assuming it can based on the fact that he's never resisted it.

So I think the X Men/FF4 team would win because of the telepaths + rogue + others.

Even if Superman can't be beat by telepaths, the rest of his team-mates can be. The majority of them can be beaten/challenged by the other X-Men and as Rogue picks up more and more power she'll be able to overcome them all as they all battle it out, unless she's taken out early.

If we are going by the picture that is classic Rogue her strength, flight, nigh invulnerability and 7th sense will come in handy, but she has little to no control over her power to absorb others, and it was never a good idea for her to use that power, the psyches of those she absorbed usually proved to be too much, the only up side is that her touch will take whomever she touches out, if she touched you for 1 second you'd be out for a minute. If the Professor helps her then she may be more useful with using this power, but then that takes him out of the mindraping game and leaves Psylocke and she just never resorted to that sort of thing in character and isn't as skilled, even Gambit was able to eject her from his mind, in his sleep. Apparently Jean has been eliminated for whatever reason, so the telepaths are taken down a notch, especially if Xavier has to take care of Rogue and doesn't have Jean to back him up. If this is classic Rogue, Jean needs to be able to come back for her to effectively use her absorption power. That at least allows one skilled telepath to mindrape with Betsy, if they can convince her not to try to brawl, she can combine her powers with the other telepath to increase their range and effectiveness.

@dondave said:

Justice League

@Jbhdbc said:

avengers

@BigCimmerian said:

Justice League wins, but as the other guy said Void Sentry could solo.

why

@Nightflash said:

how many of these guys are using metal as armor weapons etc.

cyborg, batman, daken and iron patriot.

@Sethlol said:

JLA

why

Flash. GL, Superman and Wonder Woman can take this in a tough battle. I don't see many that are able to clash with them. There're so many who don't belong here because the're too weak. They biggest problem the JL have is that there're quite amount of guys but I think they can handle it.

@Nightflash: It's not really a matter of how many there are who can clash with them, so much as it is how powerful the ones who are can. Sentry can absolutely wreck anyone on JLA's front, and Iceman can probably handle most of them considering how impossible he is to kill(only GL seems like he would be particularly immune to freezing, considering how new 52 Flash dealt with an amped up Ice due who is nowhere Iceman's level). It's not a slight to think that a high showing, bloodlusted Sentry would wreck everyone on the field.

let me put it this way, removing most of the guys who are complete non factors in this fight, here's the serious contenders:

Team 1, Xmen and F4:

Sue Storm

Human Torch

Magneto

Maybe Storm

And maaaybe Rogue depending on the iteration.

Team 2, JLA:

Superman

Flash

Wonder Woman

Green Lantern

Team 3, Avengers:

Sentry

Miss Marvel/Moonstone

I'm pretty sure Sentry could solo team 1 easily. The only one who has a chance to be an issue is rogue, depending on if she can grab some nice powers, but even then they'd fade because no one on the field can put Sentry down.

The big hitters that most people seem to be casting their vote for (with little to no explanation) is the Justice League, but frankly, how could they kill Sentry? Just imagine that all 7 members were fighting Sentry while the Avengers tangled with the F4/Xmen Combo. They guy has been magically exploded into nothing and just reformed because he has unparalleled control over his own molecules. He out matter manipulated Molecule Man (though I think a low showing version) effortlessly. He brings people back to life through sheer reality/matter manipulation. Superman, GL, Barry and WW could do their absolute best to put a beating on him, but he would not even come close to going down (the only time in recent memory was when he let an all time overachieving Hulk brawl with him, on purpose, which was obviously plot induced cuz they're buddies and all he did was punch, which he wouldn't fight like if he was bloodlusted with no morals. The dude tried to kill himself in the sun and it was a warm bath). He'd rip Supes apart at the atomic level, and even if Wonder Woman's magic or Hal's shields could prevent that, he hits harder and puts out more power than either, and crushes most telepaths who he doesn't want messing with his head with his own absurd telepathy. I'd say Barry could possibly infinitely avoid him considering his femto second reaction feats, but that's hardly a winning strategy against a matter/reality manipulator.

Sentry's feats are plain absurd and trump the entirety of the JLA put together. From there on it's just cleanup.

@Qpzmg said:

@dondave said:

Justice League

@Jbhdbc said:

avengers

@BigCimmerian said:

Justice League wins, but as the other guy said Void Sentry could solo.

why

Because Sentry is matter manipulator, he is too strong and too powerful for anyone here. Also because of this picture.

Direct hit from Thor with Mjolnir didn't even harm Sentry and Thor with Mjolnir >>> anyone here.

Admittedly that was practically the Void at that point, but it's still Sentry's body and he's still, basically, unharmable.

@Dredeuced said:

Pretty sure that's spiderman, just with the venom symbiote.

It's Mac Gargan (Scorpion) with the Venom symbiote. This is Norman Osborn's Dark Avengers.

Yeah you're right, my mistake. Still doesn't really matter, considering the tier of characters in this fight.

BUMP

JLA have a better teamwork... And they have better hitters..and other persons in picture Green Arrow, Dead Man, FireStrom,Hawkman,Queen Mera,Atom .... JLA win this..And X-Men dont have Magneto. Just fight against him in this picture...

Supes,Aquaman,Wonder Woman,Green Lantern is big guns... Cyorg and Batman İntelligence and tech heroes, and Flash is fastes man alive..And any speedster never like him he is best speedster.... And the other JLA members in picture... They take that...But ı miss Martian Manhunter in JLA .... :(

@utkanflash said:

JLA have a better teamwork... And they have better hitters..and other persons in picture Green Arrow, Dead Man, FireStrom,Hawkman,Queen Mera,Atom .... JLA win this..And X-Men dont have Magneto. Just fight against him in this picture...

Supes,Aquaman,Wonder Woman,Green Lantern is big guns... Cyorg and Batman İntelligence and tech heroes, and Flash is fastes man alive..And any speedster never like him he is best speedster.... And the other JLA members in picture... They take that...But ı miss Martian Manhunter in JLA .... :(

Green Arrow, Dead Man, FireStrom,Hawkman,Queen Mera, Atom are not in the battle just the original 7.

magneto is in this battle he is x-men's and FF's team.

ok but doesnt matter...Not a big problem... Still JLA take this

new avengers are my favorite team, but being unbias, its justice league

A force field created from the combined powers of Magneto, Sue and Jean (if she is allowed even though the first two should be enough) should be virtually impenetrable (adding that Sue can also make them invisible), giving Xavier and Psylocke combining their powers, all the time they need to mind rape just about everybody on the other teams. The Xmen/FF team have the advantage of the Xmen tp link that is always in play when the Xmen fight, at least with this group of Xmen that often used it, they should be able to coordinate attacks a lot more effectively than the other teams.