**Justice League VS Avengers

@Twix_right_side: your mindset is that these guys could beat the justice league right? Wrong. That actually wasn't my point at all.

I remember you saying vision could kill wonder woman just by phasing her brain out right? Actually,that's not what I said,either.Not only that,but you largely missed the point of my posts and it seems you selectively listened to some parts and not others.

Ant Man can shrink them all down right?

sigh I hardly think you've even read my posts now. Because you LARGELY missed the point

@Twix_right_side: hey, I'm just using your list. So who wins this?

@lord44 Each Leaguer can take on multiple Avengers

@Twix_right_side: I know what your point was. Thing is, I made a comment which was that in normal scenarios the Justice League beat most versions of the avengers. And I agreed. And I also said the same with the Avengers in some scenarios.

And that it would take the best of lineups for the avengers just to beat the regular 7 leaguers. I made that comment to nobody. You then made a comment directed at me where you scoffed. You literally typed" Hahahahahha no."

That is not what you originally said. You said nothing about the best lineups for Avengers to beat the regular 7. You just said "WTH. Of course the Justice League wrecks the Avengers. How is this even a question?" to which I replied.

And then u started talking about certain characters and then you brought up the avengers list that is in this battle.

I brought up a list of some Avengers powerhouses from various incarnations,something I noted. It's like you just took that list out of context without reading. And I started talking about certain characters to get to the point that (as I said),some characters can beat others,put simply.

I then told you that some of those guys couldnt stand a chance.

And you actually lowballed some characters by saying that they don't stand a chance against anyone except Batman,something you also said about Iron Man to Aquaman.

Notice how there's a lack of people saying avengers win? Notice how,again,you somehow missed the point because that is wholly irrelevant to my point? Notice how I said that the "JL wins in this case"?

@lord44 Each Leaguer can take on multiple Avengers

@Twix_right_side:

*Thats been my point. It would take specific characters from different avenger line ups(picking and choosing) to beat the regular version of the justice league. Do you disagree?

Actually,It was that certain rosters of Avengers can beat certain rosters of the JL,and vice versa. That's what we were talking about. It doesn't take a cherrypicking of the most powerful of Avengers just to form a single team. And again,it depends on the conditions,who's fighting who,etc etc. All of the things I've said earlier.

* I didn't low ball them. I flat out said what would happen to sue and the other scrubs on that roster. Its not low balling to say that sue freaking storm or wasp(are u freaking serious) would get murder stomped by the likes of superman. Its the truth. But I guess you feel wasp has a chance. Feel free to make the point if u feel that's not the case.

Ad Nauseum.....

You do realize that Wasp can grow to the size of skyscrapers,right? She can literally step on some members. Or she can shrink down and enter their bodies. And are you serious? I EXPLICITLY stated that Some characters can win against some members,and lose against others. I even said that it also depends on the conditions.I literally said NOTHING about her beating a bloodlusted Superman. Most characters on the team can get beat by a bloodlusted Superman. So again,irrelevant to my point.

You said that Sue Storm stands no chance and to "get real",when she can just put a bubble inside the brains of some of them and expand it,or make their optic nerves invisible,or stop some of them from moving completely,etc.

Justice League

If this is Death Seed Sentry and Nova with the full power of the corps then the JL is in trouble.

Ironman would go down first batman carries EMPs and manhunter can drop most of the team

*hmm, maybe some wires got crossed. ive tried to be as clear as possible on what my main point is and that that it would indeed take the stronger cherry picked versions of the avengers just to beat the regular justice league.

But I've tried to be as clear as possible on my points,yet you've said things throughout our entire 6+ hour discussion that shows that you ignored those points. In fact,I don't even see what the point of this entire thread was for since it was still irrelevant to my points. Not only that,but that seems different from what you said earlier.

*Lmao at the entire 2nd part about Wasp. Mind telling me what's funny? I'm just saying things that she CAN do. Wally can also drop her before she realizes that she's in a fight. So can Superman,Wonder Woman,and Martian Manhunter. Maybe even Aquaman.

*Yes cause youre using a blood lusted sue. and thats countered ever so easily by a bloodlusted justice league team. flash, superman, wonder woman, manhunter, and GL can all kill her before she forms a thought. So. like i said, she stands no chance. its laughable is what it is. But I never said anything about her beating a bloodlusted Wonder Woman,GL,Superman,Flash,or WW. A bloodlusted Wally alone (maybe even less than) can still beat this entire team.

I can only see justice league having a problem with sentry,hulk,mr fantastic,and nova.

@marvelmaster300: why Mr fantastic?

*my very first comment was that of course the JL would beat the avengers. you then brought up different versions and then i mentioned that it would take the toughest versions of the avengers to beat the normal JL. if im misunderstanding you then theres no point to continue talking about what the main point you think is since were at this point now where were talking about this.

I actually brought up different characters from different incarnations of the Avengers,and made the point that some versions of the JL (for example,as you said,the main 7) would beat many versions of the Avengers,and vice versa. In this fight,I still don't see this particular assortment of the Avengers winning anyway....Why you might ask? Because Martian Manhunter has too many ways to simultaneously take out most of them. As does Superman. As does Aquaman. As does Flash (who,even with morals,still solos).

*You seriously dont know whats funny? whats the point of bringing her up then. whats the point of talking about what she can do. we all know what she can. its just pointless to talk about since she cant do anything to win.

I don't see why she can't win if she gets a few centimeters tall and goes inside,let's say,Aquaman's brain and starts zapping. I was just making the point that she is a very good asset and powerhouse to the Avengers (although,in this fight,again....you basically created a stomp).

*then....again....whats the point of bringing her up and what she can do if she too gets absolutely SLAUGHTERED.

Um....what? You were the one that brought her up in this thread,and I initially brought her up as a powerful asset to the Avengers in the other thread.

Why is Thor, probably one of the most powerful avengers, not in this roster?

Batman, Green Lantern, And Aquaman have no place here. Sorry Batman fans

give me anoher name to go along with thor to add to make it an even 20 marvel characters.

Why just add a bunch of street levelers and lesser characters to this battle, instead of just using a strong Avengers lineup?

Most the Avengers here won't be doing much here, unless there is prep.

@twix_right_side: but then someone could finish iron man off while he's rebooting