@smoothsanta:
Simon Baz cannot bust a planet. Don't know if you're keeping up with the Green Lantern issues but Simon Baz was a chump against new gods. Do you know what he done during the entire series!? Nothing. He made weak constructs that jobber new gods walked through.
Earlier in the thread, I admitted my lack of knowledge of Baz and his personal level of experience/training. I was using as a template another (more well known) Lantern who in his rookie days (approximately 45 days after receiving his Ring) exterminated the Planet Xanshi and every living thing on it. That Lantern's name was John Stewart. Mr. Stewart is certainly no rookie nowadays, and as such I assumed Mr. Baz had access to at least that much of his Ring's power at his disposal this early in his career. But I'll gladly stand corrected on a character I admittedly know little about. Especially when it's the weapons he's using that I'm more familiar with.
How does it dwarf Thors? You're going off one showing off Thor vs Mongoose and forgetting Thor has fought the likes of Gladiator and Silver Surfer and kept up with no hassle.
Yes. He certainly has. So this is where you and I are going to hopefully walk down the same thought path: Either Marvel Comics is going to allow Thor's consistent combat speed rate/feats to match the ones you've outlined (i.e. Surfer and Gladiator on near equal terms) OR they are going to continue to allow him to be embarrassed in h2h confrontations against the likes of Mongoose, Spider-Man, Wolverine, and other "street-levelers".
But you aren't responsible for this gap in his performance. This will be their screw up to repair, not yours. Hopefully they fix this glaring oversight/discrepancy and give him a baseline we can all start from. It'll make threads like this easier to debate on, IMO...
The scenario you're describing is off the Avengers standing there like mindless pawns waiting to be swatted and the NEWER team JLA beating them down.
Not at all. Not even close. I said that Baz, Star, and MM all have the ability (individually and corporately) to duplicate or exceed Cyclops' "get off my lawn" blast in both its size of the area affected and its outright destructive power. I said that any non-enhanced members of either team could be atomized by such an attack as either the intended target thereof, or as the unfortunate collateral damage of said attack. I used Cap in that example to say that while his shield would most likely survive such an onslaught, it isn't anywhere near big enough to fully protect him from such a blast. That he would "need Guardian's shield for that, due to its much larger surface area". Either one of or all three of them simultaneously cutting loose with Martian Vision, Emerald Flame, or cosmic energy would not require any of the non superhumanly durable Avengers on this roster to be "standing there like mindless pawns waiting to be swatted". They'd just have to be within city limits to be caught on the receiving end.
Who from JLA defends against Sonics from Tony then a AOE lightning strike from Thor?
Green Lanterns are well known for generating shields over themselves and others. Simon Baz's performance at this skill is unknown to me, but since this is both Pre and Post-Flashpoint feats allowed, Stargirl's shields would both function admirably in that capacity. Her shields would laugh at any sonic attack as they have withstood direct assaults from beings as powerful as Black Adam, Extant, the King of Tears and many,many, many more. Tony Stark without serious prep (which he lacks here, due to the OP conditions) is effortlessly dispatched by her anyway. Taking his soincs off the table with him. Not to mention that MM can simply phase right through an incoming sonic blast...
MM has been caught off guard countless times
Yes. Such is the nature of comic books. A similar example(s) is of the Flash and/or the Silver Surfer being physically struck at anytime in their collective careers.
and sonics would act as the needed distraction to keep him from phasing long enough for Thor to blast him.
I covered this in an above posting. Repetition won't be necessary.
Yea your vibe theory sounds just, however i'm pretty sure smarter people like Doc Samson and Reed Richards have tried similar and failed, and given that Vibe will be mid battle he won't have the time to perform the act.
It will work just fine for the 3 reasons you've overlooked thus far:
- Vibe is very sensitive to dimensional disruptions, like one that's capable of turning a 115 lb scientist into a 7 foot tall, half-ton green behemoth. He'd see it (or feel it, I guess is the right way to describe that) and immediately hit the off button.
- He could do so effortlessly while being enveloped inside a Stargirl or GL Ring generated force field while they were elsewhere on the battlefield dealing with whatever they were up against. Perfect battlefield harmony. And last but not least...
- Doc Samson and Reed Richards are good men who aren't trying to separate the beast from his power source. They might try to siphon off some of his gamma fuel, or build some type of containment chamber or perhaps even try to reason with their scientific colleague trapped inside 1000 lbs of rage-based muscles. Their objective has almost always been to try to reason with Banner in the hopes that his psyche may overwhelm the Hulk's and thus restore him back to his former self, which simultaneously removes the monster from our dimension. Vibe has no such loyalty to Banner, and as such he has no idea what's hiding under that big green onion he's fully prepared to peel. And peel him he will, because without the link to his ex-dimensional powers, anyone of the non-enhanced JLA members could KO or kill Bruce Banner with little effort. He wouldn't heal from that, especially if he was gutted by Soultaker. He wouldn't even be on Earth anymore if that happened...
JLA lack the structure and experience the Avengers have on them.
I disagree. See above.
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