Justice League (New 52) vs. Aizen's Gotei 13

@omgomgwtfwtf:

1. why morals off would he not go all out ?

Because morals off entails having no capacity for empathy or guilt. It doesn't imply that everyone is going to planet bust at the start of the match.

2.time manip will trip him up

What time manipulation...Your argument is predicated upon a single instance of Barragan slowing down attacks that he knew were coming.

3.it is logic Flashes body works faster then a normal person Hence his Heal factor Barragan's power looks like poison it affects the body like miasma his body will speed it upand he has rushed full in so he is entirely enveloped.song fi is a death god who lives for Thousands of years he ages her to bone at the slightest touch Flash lives for at most 100 years by all logic it should reduce him to ash in the wind as soon as flash touches it

It's not logical because your conclusion is based off faulty premises. Fallacy of speculation and assumption. His powers age things, it does not age things in proportion to what they are. It has never done that or was it ever stated to be so. So it's a moot point. Even if Flash was going to die in a second, a second to the Flash is still a good 30 million years of time in his point of view. A second is more than enough time to remove everyone's brains.

4. so? flash is not an explosion. and he was contained in a box so there was no where for him to go to avoid it

If he could clearly manipulate time as you are entailing, then he could have stopped the explosion from reaching him, no? But he couldn't. The best he can do is have explode before it reached him and hopes that he doesn't get caught in the explosion.

5.which is irelavent here as he needs to touch him to use it and by then he is ash in the wind

Unless you can show me his powers working faster than light, Flash is clearly going to punch his head off before Barragan's powers would have an effect on him.

Even if we indulge the idea that Barragan's powers work, the rate of decay is much slower than Flash's speed and reaction. He would still be operating for some time and those few seconds are more than enough for Flash to kill everyone.

6.He was traped in a box with nowhere to go he could not physicaly doge it

My point is that you keep mentioning time manipulation, which didn't help versus a slow ass missile. So it would be useless versus a man who travels much faster than a missile would.

7.okay so it it hits and he doese not guard it will hurt him

How is he going to guard an attack coming from a person who operates on a level much faster than they can react to? It's pretty simple. You can't dodge a bullet when you can't even see the bullet to begin with. Same analogy here.

Superman doesn't need to release a continuous stream. He can release them as short bursts.

8.. how is he going out in a blaze of glory if he cannot hit him? Morals off he would try to survive by trying to get away from it.Which would be usesless

Why not? Flash is not limited to only physical attacks. Cylcones, speed force dump, etc. are still options. Flash can go grab a big ass laser beam from Star Labs and use it on Barragan. He's fast enough to get one, come back, and shoot him, before Barragan even knows what killed him.

9.all he saw was flash turning into ash, and he will be bltzing the rest of the team, he notices Flash dying he turns giving aizen enough time to use KS

Aizen doesn't use KS in butterfly mode. I already mentioned this. Also, by the time it takes Aizen to actually say those words, his sword would be gone from his hand and he's going to be on the ground.

Flash and Superman are just too fast for Bleach team. FTL vs hypersonic. You do the math. Lightspeed is Mach 880991.09. So yeah...

and no he only has base knowledge of Aizen if he triggers KS it is game over for the JL( and yes he still has it)

And why wouldn't basic knowledge include powers lmao? Also, like I keep mentioning, Aizen doesn't use KS in butterfly mode. He stopped using KS after going into condom mode.

@omgomgwtfwtf

He has forknowledge he has a plan and he is not underestimating them

@gokuwarrior: please read the above posts before you say any thing

Im sure Aizens prepping is better than Batmans. Aizen wins. Too fast. Besides, JL can't deal with Zommari and Barragans haxes. Zommari can control every one of JL and they can't do squat. As for Barragan, he will waste them all. lol.

too fast?,LOL,bleach characters are nothing next to flash,superman and wonder woman in terms of speed,as "omgomgwtfwtf" said snd i quate,barragan's owers age things, it does not age things in proportion to what they are. It has never done that or was it ever stated to be so. So it's a moot point. Even if Flash was going to die in a second, a second to the Flash is still a good 30 million years of time in his point of view. A second is more than enough time to remove everyone's brains".

- The Aging is proportionate and instant. He can let it work naturally to an area around him or target specifically. Either way, the aging is instant.

- Flash has only ever gone that fast once iirc, against Zoom. And that was after having stolen speedforce from other flashes.

- Barragans ability is an aspect of time. Kido that takes tens of thousands of years to rot away is gone within seconds. Shinigami themselves who are able to live for thousands of years rot simply from coming into contact. Flash is not lasting long.

Im sure Aizens prepping is better than Batmans. Aizen wins. Too fast. Besides, JL can't deal with Zommari and Barragans haxes. Zommari can control every one of JL and they can't do squat. As for Barragan, he will waste them all. lol.

@uberhikari: Oh, you did? Im actually debating as per his ressureccsion. It would be unfair to let flash solostomp otherwise.

@uberhikari: Not really. There's no such condition laid out in the OP.

@lowlaville said:

It's implied. Whenever someone has a power that must be explicitly activated, it's assumed that that power is not activated when the battle starts.

For the sake of convinence huh. lol

@uberhikari:

Thats for you to prove. Depends if batsy what Batsy with prep can come up with in the situation at hand. Its just bats. And, intel on Aizen only, not Barragan. I'm 100% certain they are not walking into a complete blunder. Irrelevent to the point at hand, Aizen and team has a chance there.

But to my initial point, do you really think a fight with, say Iron Man vs Ben 10, its fair to start the match in Ben 10's human form?

For the record - never, ever, ever put Flash in a battle with Morals off.

Flashes hold back and only go as fast as they need to. The second you turn them morals off they blitz and kill you before you can do anything.

@lowlaville said:

First, look at the first page: carter_esque clarified that Batman has detailed knowledge about everyone on Aizen's team and 3 days of prep (it's the 37th post if you can't find it). Also, why would you doubt what Batman could do with that kind of knowledge and prep time? Plus, since the JL has knowledge on Aizen they will never fall for kyouka suigetsu. So it's basically the JL (w/ prior knowledge on Aizen) + Batman with detailed knowledge of both Aizen & Barragan vs Aizen (w/ prior knowledge) & Barragan. I'm not saying Aizen & co. don't have a chance but they lose a majority.

Second, if someone sets a match between Iron Man vs Ben 10, then it's necessarily a stomp because Ben 10 starts in his human form. That's the way it's always been. Ben 10 doesn't start out as ghostfreak or big chill; he starts out as a human with the omnitrix. Batman doesn't start with a batarang in his hand. Naruto doesn't start the fight in Bijuu Mode. Alucard doesn't start the fight in level 0. If a power has to be explicitly activated (or a weapon has to be explicitly equipped) then the fighter does NOT start with the weapon equipped or the power activated.

@jeepeh:

Is anything I said in my post above about the JLA wrong? >_>

Without seeing the other teams guys' in action, I couldn't even begin to tell ya. Are these Aizen guys on TV, and if so, what network are they on so I can check them out?

@omgomgwtfwtf:

2.SO what? we see him do it, his power is time, it is expalned to us it is a legit power you are trying very hard to find a loophole in Haxs powers there is none

His powers have no more control over time than Wither from the X-men. He cannot stop time or make it go faster. Stop wanking his powers.

3.@lowlaville said

The Aging is proportionate and instant. He can let it work naturally to an area around him or target specifically. Either way, the aging is instant.

- Flash has only ever gone that fast once iirc, against Zoom. And that was after having stolen speedforce from other flashes.

- Barragans ability is an aspect of time. Kido that takes tens of thousands of years to rot away is gone within seconds. Shinigami themselves who are able to live for thousands of years rot simply from coming into contact. Flash is not lasting long.

Thanks. What he said^^^^

I will wait for a scan that explicitly states that, because Hachi and Soi Fon says otherwise. The only thing he ever controlled was the speed of which his respira could move, and that is not tagging Superman or Flash.

Also, this is new-52 Flash, not pre-52 Flash. New-52 Flash has circled the planet just as easily. So I fail to see the point of the comparison.

You already admit that you have zero knowledge on New-52 Flash, yet you still try and argue with me.

4.no he could not he can slow it down but that is it not time stoping it is slowing

He couldn't slow down a missile enough to actually move, so I fail to see how he's stopping something moving at faster than light speeds. But okay, believe what you wish. This is a waste of time.

5.Read 3

6. read 3 flash is dead the femtosecond he reachs the black aura

I'm not going to bother with this point anymore, even if Flash dies, Superman still solos.

7.so Sups is fighting Aizen or the espadas if he is just flying there looking at Flashes ash he is already under KS supes is atacking Aizen or B sees what happened to flash it is one or the outher if we go A he does not seehow flash dies and in charicter as you have shown he will speed blitz him and be caught and killed just like Flash

Superman would speed blitz everyone else and pew pew lasers at Barragan. I stated this about 5 times throughout the thread. If he sees Flash die from touching him, he would utilize methods other than touching. Flash is faster than Superman, so him blitzing before Flash does is impossible.

8.no prior knowlege why would he do that if it is more likly he will just try to run up to hiim and try the vibreateing hand trick? and cyclone is not going to kill him

Because he has no morals. Even if he doesn't, he has other methods like BFR, getting laser guns, etc. I mentioned this before as well.

9.he did not use it for 2 reasons

1. why would he use it he just got new powers he wanted to try them out ( PIS) he was curbing everyone without them and he suddnly has a power up grade, in charicter with knowlege on the justice leage he will know his power is not enough and will fall back on KS( he manged to use it without incantaion aginst the quincey leader while seailed up)

He didn't use KS when Ichigo was stomping his face into the ground. So it really doesn't matter. Aizen is too arrogant in his butterfly mode to even think of such a thing. Also, by the time he says the first syllable in Kyoka Suigetsu, he's gonna be wondering why he's in space or in the sun.

2. Ichigo sprit power was greater then his none here has sprit power at all so KS should work

Once again, Aizen doesn't use KS in butterfly form. He stopped using it once he was in condom mode. Even if he does, he so freaking slow compared to Superman, that he wouldn't even get a syllable off before being punched square in the face.

look at all of my posts not once did i say they could take flash and sups in a fair fight the point is they have Haxs thit will kill them

No. It just seems your hellbent on arguing. I'm a little tired of repeating myself a trillion times.

So I will repeat myself one last time:

Superman and Flash are tremendously faster than anyone on the Bleach team. They would kill them all before the first synapse in their brain fired to make a cohesive thought. Hypersonic vs Faster than light speeds. It's common sense honestly.

@lowlaville:

How does that prove that he can age different things at different rates? It merely shows he ages things. I don't deny that. I'm rejecting the claim that he has control over how fast he can actually decay things.

@omgomgwtfwtf:

But it is not a shielding ability it is just a transformation