#1 Edited by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

The Rules...

  • I'm using "Butterflaizen" (when he fought Dangai Ichigo)
  • No soul/reiatsu crushing allowed!
  1. Morals: OFF
  2. Prep: Batman gets 3 days of prep. The JLA has prior knowledge about Aizen, but not for anyone else in his group. Aizen has prior intel on the JLA as well.
  3. Weapons: Standard
  4. No BFR
  5. Location: Gotham City

Who wins and why?

#3 Posted by Fallschirmjager (11766 posts) - - Show Bio

his name is Butterflaizen

and ignoring the obvious no-limits fallacy nature of Aizen, the JLA would crush

#4 Posted by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

his name is Butterflaizen

and ignoring the obvious no-limits fallacy nature of Aizen, the JLA would crush

Butterflaizen is his nickname? I'm gonna have to remember that bc it is catchier anyway. Thanks, I'll change it in the OP.

#5 Edited by Jeepeh (2864 posts) - - Show Bio

@carter_esque: How was I brought into this? >_> I'm not allowed to join the call-out book yet. But anyway...

FUDGE. You're making me choose between some of my favorite Characters. Yamamoto vs Batman? Why you make me choose!? XD I'll do some thinking and post a 5 paragraph argument or something. T_T Which aizen is this? The one that saw the FGT or the previous one?

#6 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (6083 posts) - - Show Bio

Morals Off Justice League is some scary shit. Superman blitzes to infinity and beyond.

#7 Edited by Jeepeh (2864 posts) - - Show Bio

@carter_esque: Oh wait, this is AIZEN'S team. Okay, some more thinking required.

#8 Posted by Fallschirmjager (11766 posts) - - Show Bio

Morals Off Justice League is some scary shit. Superman blitzes to infinity and beyond.

Agreed. And Barry is vibrating brains out of people's skulls.

#10 Posted by Wolverine08 (27364 posts) - - Show Bio

Going with the JLA.

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#11 Posted by Jeepeh (2864 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm assuming we are turning off Aizen and co's invisibility? Because if we aren't then Barragan can just walk up to them in his resurreccion and watch them decay. But lets assume they're visible.

Superman. He is the biggest threat, but there are lots of ways to take him out. Aizen's mind control, Barragan's decaying, Morals are off so Superman might rush him to try to kill him not knowing the danger in doing so. I think Barragan is a deciding factor here. Once one of them die from his Aging then the rest should be smart enough to avoid close range. If Superman tries to laser vision them than they can just Flash-Step out of the way right? Is there a limit to the distance they can flash step? And morals off doesn't mean they are going to blitz like crazy right? Aizen could warp Superman's senses to make him think that the other JL members are the enemy.

Batman is almost a non-factor, it's hard to understand what he would do with 3 days of prep. Especially if he only knows about Aizen...

WW/GL/Aquaman can have the same argument put against them as Superman.

Cyborg shouldn't be able to put them down, unless there's something I don't know about him. Cyborg gets killed by any of the team.

Flash though..... Flash could get interesting.... I'm not sure what would happen with him. Maybe Aizen's senses control could remove him as a threat.

#12 Posted by Jeepeh (2864 posts) - - Show Bio

Is yammy in his Espada 0 or his Espada 10 form?

#13 Edited by Experio (8792 posts) - - Show Bio

Tough call.

#14 Edited by Pierpat (2119 posts) - - Show Bio

Well....they can't put down aizen.

As simple as that.

Oh, and barragan is no slouch either.

you needed a plot-combo to eliminate him.

#15 Posted by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeepeh said:

Is yammy in his Espada 0 or his Espada 10 form?

Of course they can all release if they're given the time to and if they feel like they need to. I personally don't think that any of the Espada are a match for the strongest members of the JLA in their base forms.

#16 Posted by Jeepeh (2864 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeepeh said:

Is yammy in his Espada 0 or his Espada 10 form?

Of course they can all release if they're given the time to and if they feel like they need to. I personally don't think that any of the Espada are a match for the strongest members of the JLA in their base forms.

We don't know what Yammy's normal resurreccion is right? His resureccion depends on how long he's charged his powers by resting and eating. Are we assuming he becomes the Espada 0 when he releases here?

#17 Posted by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeepeh said:

@carter_esque said:

@jeepeh said:

Is yammy in his Espada 0 or his Espada 10 form?

Of course they can all release if they're given the time to and if they feel like they need to. I personally don't think that any of the Espada are a match for the strongest members of the JLA in their base forms.

We don't know what Yammy's normal resurreccion is right? His resureccion depends on how long he's charged his powers by resting and eating. Are we assuming he becomes the Espada 0 when he releases here?

Yes we are.

#18 Edited by Jeepeh (2864 posts) - - Show Bio

@carter_esque: Okay, then we can say that he can wreck Gotham on size alone. And his energy blasts+his huge cero.... I think Bleach team might win. They'll definitely win if Aizen has the fore-sight to use his Shikai.

#19 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (2772 posts) - - Show Bio

@carter_esque:

Being completely unfamiliar with Aizen's Gotei 13, I won't be much help here.:(

#20 Posted by Jeepeh (2864 posts) - - Show Bio

@carter_esque:

Being completely unfamiliar with Aizen's Gotei 13, I won't be much help here.:(

Is anything I said in my post above about the JLA wrong? >_>

#21 Edited by DarkRaiden (5205 posts) - - Show Bio

GL solos, Supes solos, WW solos, Barry Solos. Together its a justice stomp.

#22 Edited by Jeepeh (2864 posts) - - Show Bio

GL solos, Supes solos, WW solos, Barry Solos. Together its a justice stomp.

Um... how exactly?

#23 Edited by RetconCrisis (3249 posts) - - Show Bio

Surprisingly, Butterflaizen here is not nearly the largest threat. The biggest threat here on Aizen's G13 is Baraggan Louisenbarn.

In his resurrecion form, Arrogante, you can't really stop him with the Justice League (Just to note, that is the JL, not the JLA; the JLA is the team with Martian Manhunter). The GL constructs won't hold him, as Baraggan has decayed through Hado and Kidou before, and those two are not physical matter, like a GL's construct. Superman tries to blitz Baraggan, then Superman loses half of his body from touching him. Wonder Woman would be decayed as well. GL can't stop his Respira. Aquaman has no counters to him either, and Cyborg and Batman are also screwed.

So if Baraggan has the change to activate his resurrecion, then Gotaizen 13. If he gets blitzed before he has the chance to say "rot", then the JL can win if they blitz.

#24 Edited by TheMagicStik (984 posts) - - Show Bio

Aizen Solos, Barragan Solos, everybody else dies horribly.

#25 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (8255 posts) - - Show Bio

Only Aizen, Barrangan, and that guy with the weird name(he has multiple eyes and can take control of people with them) really matter. The rest are more physical combatants and won't really do anything besides serving as fodder.

#26 Posted by uberhikari (1855 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman solos with 3 days prep.

#27 Posted by Jeepeh (2864 posts) - - Show Bio

Surprisingly, Butterflaizen here is not nearly the largest threat. The biggest threat here on Aizen's G13 is Baraggan Louisenbarn.

In his resurrecion form, Arrogante, you can't really stop him with the Justice League (Just to note, that is the JL, not the JLA; the JLA is the team with Martian Manhunter). The GL constructs won't hold him, as Baraggan has decayed through Hado and Kidou before, and those two are not physical matter, like a GL's construct. Superman tries to blitz Baraggan, then Superman loses half of his body from touching him. Wonder Woman would be decayed as well. GL can't stop his Respira. Aquaman has no counters to him either, and Cyborg and Batman are also screwed.

So if Baraggan has the change to activate his resurrecion, then Gotaizen 13. If he gets blitzed before he has the chance to say "rot", then the JL can win if they blitz.

Can't he still be hit with laser vision and stuff?

#28 Edited by uberhikari (1855 posts) - - Show Bio

Aizen Solos, Barragan Solos, everybody else dies horribly.

They solo Batman with 3 days of prep? No.

#29 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (6437 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash solos.

#30 Posted by Jeepeh (2864 posts) - - Show Bio

@themagicstik said:

Aizen Solos, Barragan Solos, everybody else dies horribly.

They solo Batman with 3 days of prep? No.

Batman doesn't know anything about them to prep with, he only knows about Aizen.

@mr_ingenuity How? He can't touch Barragan...

#31 Posted by Cjdavis103 (7085 posts) - - Show Bio

@carter_esque: Aizen and espada win and here is why

While they are Morals off they are not blood lusted so while speed blitz is an option ther are some cavaites

firstly do the espada start in resseeraction ? if they do they have a good chance at wining as stated earlier Barragan ages to death the frist person who attacks him which would eiter be Superman or flash

eiter way one big person is done

Aizen is the big threat How much knowledge do they have on him? do they know he is immortal? if they do it is total possible he is removed from play unless he has prepped a bit before they fight and he pulls a duplicate trick

The multi eyed one can be dangerous as he is pretty fast and low key if he goes silent he can use his domination ability to gain control of one of the justice league

4,0,1,3 will be a nice distraction and 4 has the advantage of great regen,1 has some serious fire power and a good trick, 3 will solo aquaman, 0 will just be a distraction

And I have to ask is this version of sups still weak to magic?

the blind captain was more dangerous as a captain he is fodderized

Gin is an issue for the JL just because he will be underestimated and his Banki is ridiculous if he is not blitzed he will snipe several of the JL right off the Bat and be a hell of a fight for the higer level JL members

9 is a non factor here as he can only take out bats and maybe cyborg if he is very lucky and the fight takes place at night

the mad scientist espada is a non factor as his power is to be crazy prepared no prep means he is nothing

grimjow and niruto ( 6 and 5) again just generally add fire power

In sum this could go eiter way depending on Aizen and Barragan

if supes and flash is neutralized by the Haxs the Bleach team wins

#32 Edited by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash solos.

How? Everyone on Aizen's team can air-walk..

#33 Edited by uberhikari (1855 posts) - - Show Bio

@carter_esque:

1. Does Batman have prior knowledge of everybody on Aizen's team or only Aizen?

2. What is the extent of Batman's knowledge? For example, does he know what reiryoku, reishi, and reiatsu are? Or does he only know what Aizen and/or his group's abilities are?

#34 Edited by RetconCrisis (3249 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeepeh said:

@retconcrisis said:

Surprisingly, Butterflaizen here is not nearly the largest threat. The biggest threat here on Aizen's G13 is Baraggan Louisenbarn.

In his resurrecion form, Arrogante, you can't really stop him with the Justice League (Just to note, that is the JL, not the JLA; the JLA is the team with Martian Manhunter). The GL constructs won't hold him, as Baraggan has decayed through Hado and Kidou before, and those two are not physical matter, like a GL's construct. Superman tries to blitz Baraggan, then Superman loses half of his body from touching him. Wonder Woman would be decayed as well. GL can't stop his Respira. Aquaman has no counters to him either, and Cyborg and Batman are also screwed.

So if Baraggan has the change to activate his resurrecion, then Gotaizen 13. If he gets blitzed before he has the chance to say "rot", then the JL can win if they blitz.

Can't he still be hit with laser vision and stuff?

True, but because only Batman gets prep, Superman will try to bum-rush him off the bat like he does a lot in the New 52; he only uses heat vision as a last resort. And a non-morals Baraggan will activate Respira immediately - Respira's spreading process is so fast that it was faster than Sui-Feng's full speed trying to escape it, and she is one of the faster Gotei 13 captains.

With his morals-off use of his Respira, Baraggan kills everyone on the JL and Gotaizen team, except Aizen himself... and then Aizen one-shots Baraggan with his hax mode... again.

#35 Posted by SirNeko (631 posts) - - Show Bio

Who ever attacks Barragan dies, team get's bloodlusted and let the blitzing begin while GL traps Barragan, since his shields in fact do not age.

#36 Posted by Juiceboks (6071 posts) - - Show Bio

Morals-off JLA won't give the Espada time to release their Zanpaktous. They all get oneshotted/BFRed right off the bat.

#37 Posted by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

@carter_esque:

1. Does Batman have prior knowledge of everybody on Aizen's team or only Aizen.

2. What is the extent of Batman's knowledge? For example, does he know what reiryoku, reishi, and reiatsu are? Or does he only know what Aizen and/or his group's abilities are?

Batman, being at a physical disadvantage, has detailed knowledge about everyone in Aizen's group. H The rest of the JLA only has intel on Aizen himself.

#38 Edited by uberhikari (1855 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeepeh said:

@uberhikari said:

@themagicstik said:

Aizen Solos, Barragan Solos, everybody else dies horribly.

They solo Batman with 3 days of prep? No.

Batman doesn't know anything about them to prep with, he only knows about Aizen.

You're wrong. Here's what the OP says:

1. Does Batman have prior knowledge of everybody on Aizen's team or only Aizen.

2. What is the extent of Batman's knowledge? For example, does he know what reiryoku, reishi, and reiatsu are? Or does he only know what Aizen and/or his group's abilities are?

Batman, being at a physical disadvantage, has detailed knowledge about everyone in Aizen's group. H The rest of the JLA only has intel on Aizen himself.

So, Batman solos.

#39 Edited by Jeepeh (2864 posts) - - Show Bio

@retconcrisis: Ah, okay. Does Barragan have any morals to begin with? lol. When did Aizen kill Barragan? Wasn't that the old vizored? And I would imagine Aizen having knowledge on the JL would tell the Espadas to perform their resurreccion's as soon as they can.

#40 Posted by dondave (27342 posts) - - Show Bio

@carter_esque: How was Barragan killed again? I know it had something to do with Hachi but can't remenber the details

#41 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (6083 posts) - - Show Bio

Unless anyone on the Bleach team has shown the capacity to react to blitzes that are multiple times the speed of light, they are not even going to register they're dead, before Superman blows a head through them.

Also, Flash has femtosecond reaction time, which is one quadrillionth of a second. A person with that type of reaction time would see a second as 31.7 million years.

#43 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (6083 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@carter_esque: How was Barragan killed again? I know it had something to do with Hachi but can't remenber the details

He teleported his decaying arm into Barragan's stomach and the rot started eating Barragan as well. Hachi theorized that Barragan wasn't immune to his own power and took the gamble.

#44 Posted by Jeepeh (2864 posts) - - Show Bio

@uberhikari: http://prntscr.com/2eqtpp He said the JL know about Aizen, not the others. What are you quoting?

#45 Edited by Jeepeh (2864 posts) - - Show Bio

@omgomgwtfwtf Superman doesn't speed-blitz, his morals are off, not out of Character. He can't blitz Barragan, it would kill him, same for flash.

#46 Posted by patrat18 (6853 posts) - - Show Bio
#47 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (6437 posts) - - Show Bio

@carter_esque: @jeepeh: Failed to realize Flash is faster than light it self distance doesn't matter when Barry has that much time to contemplate their deaths.

#48 Edited by uberhikari (1855 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeepeh said:

@uberhikari: http://prntscr.com/2eqtpp He said the JL know about Aizen, not the others. What are you quoting?

Go back through this thread and read my questions to carter_esque and read his responses to me. It's the 37th post in this thread. Batman solos.

#49 Posted by Fallschirmjager (11766 posts) - - Show Bio

For the record - never, ever, ever put Flash in a battle with Morals off.

Flashes hold back and only go as fast as they need to. The second you turn them morals off they blitz and kill you before you can do anything.

#50 Posted by AllStarSuperman (16039 posts) - - Show Bio

no, I don't know literally any anime characters

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