Justice League Elite VS Lex Luthor's Dark Avengers

Avengers Assemble:

Battle Intell: This battle takes place in an abandoned project in Washington DC. Both teams are informed about there opponents abilities, although this is a random encounter. All the opponents have their usual powers and weapons and powers accept where otherwise specified. Character morality applies. Also feel free to talk about who you would form a Dark Avengers team with if you could only use non-marvel characters. THE BATTLE IS ON!!!!

Flash solos.

Flash fanboys but anyway Lex and the avengers take this

@menaceforever said:

Flash fanboys but anyway Lex and the avengers take this

What do you think gives the avengers an edge in this battle?

@kadeem said:

@menaceforever said:

Flash fanboys but anyway Lex and the avengers take this

What do you think gives the avengers an edge in this battle?

Nothing. They have no power houses, and nobody who is actually very strong at all (in any sense), They lose in power, speed and utility.

@greenteaforme said:

@kadeem said:

@menaceforever said:

Flash fanboys but anyway Lex and the avengers take this

What do you think gives the avengers an edge in this battle?

Nothing. They have no power houses, and nobody who is actually very strong at all (in any sense), They lose in power, speed and utility.

Really, no power houses? Major Force, a yellow lantern, and Steppenwolf to name a few and your saying this.

@Redberry: Deathstroke and Cheetah have both struck Flash in the past. I agree that Flash is the fastest one in this battle but by itself that won't be able to guarantee the JLE the battle.

@kadeem said:

@greenteaforme said:

@kadeem said:

@menaceforever said:

Flash fanboys but anyway Lex and the avengers take this

What do you think gives the avengers an edge in this battle?

Nothing. They have no power houses, and nobody who is actually very strong at all (in any sense), They lose in power, speed and utility.

Really, no power houses? Major Force, a yellow lantern, and Steppenwolf to name a few and your saying this.

Major Force, I guess.

The rest, no.

I think we have different opinions of what a power house is.

I'm still sticking with "Flash solos".

@Redberry said:

Cheetah had help from Zoom, I believe. Deathstroke's putting his sword behind him is a bit of PIS based on Flash's reaction speed, everything should appear standing-still to him. I'm still not familiar with what version of Flash you are using. Flash (Barry) hasn't displayed the same kind of power as he did pre-Flashpoint, so you could argue that the Avengers could stand a chance against him, but there is no way they can win against the old Flash (Wally) who has nano-reaction speed and can run faster than the speed of light.

Cheetah now has her upgrades after the affair so to speak with Zoom, also on a later encounter with Wonder woman she herself states Cheetah is as fast as flash. So without speedsteal Cheetah might be able to keep flash in check for a while. Given the fact that Cheetah did pretty good against Flash and that Wonder Woman saying she was as fast as flash while getting blitz by Cheetah showcases her speed. That being said neither have answer to speedsteal or speedforce manipulation.

@greenteaforme said:

Major Force, I guess.

The rest, no.

I think we have different opinions of what a power house is.

I'm still sticking with "Flash solos".

I think the debate was not whether Flash can solo or not but rather the team does have powerhouse, why would you consider Major Force a powerhouse and not Steppenwolf who's stronger than him. Also if speed has been the reason, the fastest in the team isnt Major Force but rather Cheetah who's pretty close to flash in terms of speed, has even got the better of flash while it was Zoom + Cheetah vs Flash + Wonder Woman. While i personally dont consider Fatality with yellow ring as much of a factor, it would have been awesome had it been Nero instead who was creating sentinent constructs faster than Justice League could handle and lost only because of a major PIS, no one actually beat him anyways. Also if you do not include Flash Grood could very well solo from the other team, yet you dont recognize him as a power house.

With standard morals and cheetah + Grood on the team they might be able to take flash, Grood has given flash trouble on his own and should cheetah engage flash first giving grood time to think he can actually use flash himself against justice league elite.

@Redberry:@greenteaforme: Alright, check out the new addition to the Avengers in the OP.

@kadeem: Enchantress grodd fatality zoom and Deathstroke

@menaceforever said:

@kadeem: Enchantress grodd fatality zoom and Deathstroke

What about them?

@kadeem: Grodd could put everyone under his control and if he gets taken down Zoom and fatality should be able to find a way to catch an contain flash in enough time for deathstroke to stab him and i was thinking of the marvel enchantress so nevermind

@menaceforever said:

@kadeem: Grodd could put everyone under his control and if he gets taken down Zoom and fatality should be able to find a way to catch an contain flash in enough time for deathstroke to stab him and i was thinking of the marvel enchantress so nevermind

Ms Martian could also control the minds of most of the Avengers, as well as shield the minds of her team mates. Remember Flash isn't the only one in the JLE.

@kadeem: i just noticed that the whole justice league elite was reformed and that they were not just making a new team i will comment again when i read the comics again

@menaceforever: fair enough

@jeanroygrant: When Zoom and Cheetah where up against Flash and Wonder Woman there wee both having trouble. While Zoom is a beast he is not going to solo in this battle.

@chriconz123: Can you support that?

@chriconz123 said:

@kadeem said:

@chriconz123: Can you support that?

Something that obvious does not need any evidence. We all know what level of power Zoom has and it dwarves all powerhouses included in this battle.

That's another way of saying you can't back up what you're saying. When Zoom and Cheetah took on Wonder Woman and Flash together they both had trouble, which indicates that you are greatly overstating Zoom's abilities.

@Aero_gt said:

ZOOM SOLOS AS QUICKSILVER.

Scans?????

@Aero_gt said:

ZOOM IS FASTER AND IS MY COMEBACK TO THE PEOPLE THAT SAY FLASH SOLOS.

Neither Flash or Zoom can solo in this battle. If people or going to claim either they need to back it up.

@Aero_gt: Character morality still applies in this battle as stated in the OP. I could also argue that Coldcast can just deliver a bio-EMP to KO the Avengers in the beginning of this battle.

@Aero_gt: While Zoom is incredibly fast and powerful he has never demonstrated that he is powerful to take down an entire team as powerful as the JLE on his own. Being lead by Sister Superior who is no slouch as a tactician, The League would more than likely take into account how much of a threat Zoom is and engage The Avengers accordingly.

@terry2012 said:

Which zoom are you using?

Hunter Solomon.

@terry2012: I am aware of that, and he is a formidable opponent, but he is not as unstoppable as some people are making him out to be.

@terry2012: Wonder Woman and Flash seemed to be able to fight him in the past, plus Miss Martian isn't exactly a slow poke either.

@terry2012: I agree that he is faster than Flash in a sense, but this isn't Flash vs Zoom this is JLE VS Dark Avengers.

@terry2012: Your thinking of Professor Zoom. Can you post a feat showing that Zoom would be able to bring down a team as formidable as The JLE?

@terry2012: I already know who Zoom is and what his powers are. I was asking for feats that would demonstrate that Zoom could take down a team like the JLE on his own. The very sight you provided to look him up also mentions an instance where Zoom was KOed by Liberty Belle with a pipe during a confrontation with the JSA.