#1 Posted by Alpha (7322 posts) - - Show Bio

In another forum with the Flash vs the Hulk, some felt that the Hulk would be defeated. COuld the Juggernaut stand a better chance?

Juggernaut:

Superhuman strength, stamina, and durability.

Regenerative healing factor and force field generation.

Ability to become almost unstoppable while in motion.

Flash:

Super speed, augmented by the extra-dimensional Speed Force. Molecular control, time and dimensional travel, enhanced strength, stamina, and durability.

#2 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

random point here..

but what is motion?

as soon as Flash starts running then Juggernaut is standing still for him, unlike Zoom, Flash doesn't use time dialation for his speed, he is basically moving a few million times quicker than Juggernaut anyway, so while Flash is moving Juggernaut is basically a statue...

as Juggernaut is stood still compared to Flash's speed, would that mean Flash could hurt him?

if so, this match is over in a heartbeat... if not then Flash just removes Juggernauts helmet at Superspeed and vibrates his hand through his brain killing him instantly...

either way, job done

M

#3 Posted by Alpha (7322 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"random point here.. but what is motion? as soon as Flash starts running then Juggernaut is standing still for him, unlike Zoom, Flash doesn't use time dialation for his speed, he is basically moving a few million times quicker than Juggernaut anyway, so while Flash is moving Juggernaut is basically a statue... as Juggernaut is stood still compared to Flash's speed, would that mean Flash could hurt him? if so, this match is over in a heartbeat... if not then Flash just removes Juggernauts helmet at Superspeed and vibrates his hand through his brain killing him instantly... either way, job done M"

Way to get philosophical! : )

#4 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Alpha says:

"Way to get philosophical! : )"

it's not philisophical... it's basic physics comparing the two types of movement

i don't know how Juggernauts protection works, is it physical or magical?

if it's physical then the first option brings a win for Flash, if it's magical then the second option brings a win...

M

#5 Posted by Alpha (7322 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"Alpha says:
"Way to get philosophical! : )"
it's not philisophical... it's basic physics comparing the two types of movement i don't know how Juggernauts protection works, is it physical or magical? if it's physical then the first option brings a win for Flash, if it's magical then the second option brings a win... M "

Well it is magical. But regardless if Juggernaut is standing still to Flash, he is still moving, so his power of being unstoppable while in motion would still be active.

I think the question is; Can Flash's power get him through Juggernaut's forcefield?

#6 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Alpha says:

"Well it is magical. But regardless if Juggernaut is standing still to Flash, he is still moving, so his power of being unstoppable while in motion would still be active.I think the question is; Can Flash's power get him through Juggernaut's forcefield? "

thats why i asked, "what is motion"...

but i'm guessing vibration will still work as when Flash vibrates he's out of phase, just like Kitty, and she's 'phased' through him before...

M

#7 Posted by zee crusher (8997 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"random point here.. but what is motion? as soon as Flash starts running then Juggernaut is standing still for him, unlike Zoom, Flash doesn't use time dialation for his speed, he is basically moving a few million times quicker than Juggernaut anyway, so while Flash is moving Juggernaut is basically a statue... as Juggernaut is stood still compared to Flash's speed, would that mean Flash could hurt him? if so, this match is over in a heartbeat... if not then Flash just removes Juggernauts helmet at Superspeed and vibrates his hand through his brain killing him instantly... either way, job done M"

That won't kill him. Juggernaut can heal from that. Flash has to remove his gem or else this fight nobody wins.

Seeing as how flash doesn't know of the gem this is no one fight really. Flash can't hurt juggy and juggy definitely won't hurt flash.

#8 Posted by SilverSurfa (256 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash would win, juggernaut would be so slow to him that he would be standing still. Therefore flash would vibrate through him killing him.

#9 Posted by zee crusher (8997 posts) - - Show Bio

SilverSurfa says:

"Flash would win, juggernaut would be so slow to him that he would be standing still. Therefore flash would vibrate through him killing him."

Your so wrong. Only way flash wins if he gets the gem out then he vibrates through him if he does nobody wins.

#10 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - - Show Bio

zee crusher says:

"Methos says:
"random point here.. but what is motion? as soon as Flash starts running then Juggernaut is standing still for him, unlike Zoom, Flash doesn't use time dialation for his speed, he is basically moving a few million times quicker than Juggernaut anyway, so while Flash is moving Juggernaut is basically a statue... as Juggernaut is stood still compared to Flash's speed, would that mean Flash could hurt him? if so, this match is over in a heartbeat... if not then Flash just removes Juggernauts helmet at Superspeed and vibrates his hand through his brain killing him instantly... either way, job done M"

That won't kill him. Juggernaut can heal from that. Flash has to remove his gem or else this fight nobody wins.

Seeing as how flash doesn't know of the gem this is no one fight really. Flash can't hurt juggy and juggy definitely won't hurt flash."

but there is no gem on him to grab...........

#11 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - - Show Bio

SilverSurfa says:

"Flash would win, juggernaut would be so slow to him that he would be standing still. Therefore flash would vibrate through him killing him."

nope, as long as he has his powers he simply cannot be killed.

#12 Posted by Logic Mark III (2121 posts) - - Show Bio

Im not sure if its due to Mjolnir's mystical nature, but the Juggernauts forcefield managed to rob it of its speed from a few metres distance, if he can do this to the flash.... [Thor 411 - The Gentlemans Name is Juggernaut]

#13 Posted by zee crusher (8997 posts) - - Show Bio

the human Juggernaut says:

"zee crusher says:
"Methos says:
"random point here.. but what is motion? as soon as Flash starts running then Juggernaut is standing still for him, unlike Zoom, Flash doesn't use time dialation for his speed, he is basically moving a few million times quicker than Juggernaut anyway, so while Flash is moving Juggernaut is basically a statue... as Juggernaut is stood still compared to Flash's speed, would that mean Flash could hurt him? if so, this match is over in a heartbeat... if not then Flash just removes Juggernauts helmet at Superspeed and vibrates his hand through his brain killing him instantly... either way, job done M"

That won't kill him. Juggernaut can heal from that. Flash has to remove his gem or else this fight nobody wins.

Seeing as how flash doesn't know of the gem this is no one fight really. Flash can't hurt juggy and juggy definitely won't hurt flash."

but there is no gem on him to grab...........

"

There is. The thing is he doesn't know its a gem that powers him.

#14 Posted by venom hybrid (2486 posts) - - Show Bio

Logic Mark III says:

"Im not sure if its due to Mjolnir's mystical nature, but the Juggernauts forcefield managed to rob it of its speed from a few metres distance, if he can do this to the flash.... [Thor 411 - The Gentlemans Name is Juggernaut]"

Well i doubt he could it was just the hammer pushing through the forcefield but was eventually stopped by it i dont think he could stop the flash but im not sure if because it's magic it could stop him phasing

#15 Posted by Gottheit (3473 posts) - - Show Bio

I think while Juggernaut is in motion, it is still considered motion, even to someone moving too fast to recognize it as such. I mean, considering his powers, I think it works that way.

#16 Posted by Logic Mark III (2121 posts) - - Show Bio

The Juggernaut did say it was stealing momentum, as opposed to hitting the forcefield and stopping. It was aflame with power too and the force field stole that energy as well it seems.

#17 Posted by venom hybrid (2486 posts) - - Show Bio

well i've never seen him be able to steal momentum before i thought it was like what Thanos did when he stopped it mid flight by putting his hand out

#18 Posted by Ball Buster (2041 posts) - - Show Bio

I think flash would because of his speed and molecular control but Juggernaut force field is factor alone.

#19 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - - Show Bio

zee crusher says:

"the human Juggernaut says:
"zee crusher says:
"Methos says:
"random point here.. but what is motion? as soon as Flash starts running then Juggernaut is standing still for him, unlike Zoom, Flash doesn't use time dialation for his speed, he is basically moving a few million times quicker than Juggernaut anyway, so while Flash is moving Juggernaut is basically a statue... as Juggernaut is stood still compared to Flash's speed, would that mean Flash could hurt him? if so, this match is over in a heartbeat... if not then Flash just removes Juggernauts helmet at Superspeed and vibrates his hand through his brain killing him instantly... either way, job done M"

That won't kill him. Juggernaut can heal from that. Flash has to remove his gem or else this fight nobody wins.

Seeing as how flash doesn't know of the gem this is no one fight really. Flash can't hurt juggy and juggy definitely won't hurt flash."

but there is no gem on him to grab...........

"

There is. The thing is he doesn't know its a gem that powers him. "

WTF are you talking about? there is no gem inside of him. Is onslaught the only thing you've ever read about juggernaut? If the gem is always inside of him, how can he hold it in his hand? How can he throw it into space? How can it not be inside of them when hes flayed down to a skeleton??? You keep saying that "oh the gems inside him" but you have absolutely no proof besides onslaught. In fact you've been shown that its NOT inside him yet you continue to repeat the same old thing over and over.

#20 Posted by Knowsbleed33 (628 posts) - - Show Bio

Juggernaut doesn't have the gem on him anywhere. Forget what you saw in the Onslaught PIS.

Neither can win this fight. There's no way for Flash to hurt or damage Juggernaut and Juggernaut wouldn't be able to get his hands on Flash.

#21 Posted by Logic Mark III (2121 posts) - - Show Bio

http://www.comicvine.com/myvine/Logic%20Mark%20III/images/&e=yes

Juggernaut can win. I dont think the Flash can keep going like the enrgizer bunny. He will tire and need to rest/sleep/drink etc. The Juggernaut doesnt and could simply outlast him. I still maintain what he did to Mjolnir could be a possible way for the Juggernaut to beat Flash's speed. [pictures right at the bottom]

#22 Posted by ShadowUltraDestoryer (43 posts) - - Show Bio

i disagree on the hulk vs flash, as for this juggernaut vs the flash to be real fat boy can defeat the flash really flash can't hurt him.

#23 Posted by symbiote5 (2181 posts) - - Show Bio

well this is basically a speed vs power match so in that case i guess its a draw

#24 Posted by Logic Mark III (2121 posts) - - Show Bio

Why is it a draw, as far as i know Flash isnt eternal he is going to tire and die...the Juggernaut wont.

#25 Posted by Ebony Bishop (767 posts) - - Show Bio

Not to be a stickler, but where does this take place? Flash has no powers in the Marvel Universe.

#26 Posted by Gottheit (3473 posts) - - Show Bio

Speed Force is everywhere.

#27 Posted by beastmanX (285 posts) - - Show Bio

Alpha says:

"In another forum with the Flash vs the Hulk, some felt that the Hulk would be defeated. COuld the Juggernaut stand a better chance? Juggernaut: Superhuman strength, stamina, and durability. Regenerative healing factor and force field generation. Ability to become almost unstoppable while in motion. Flash: Super speed, augmented by the extra-dimensional Speed Force. Molecular control, time and dimensional travel, enhanced strength, stamina, and durability."

i didnt know flash had enhanced strength

#28 Posted by Insignia (137 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash can exceed the speed of light. In order to do this theoretically, one would have to gain mass. Now although Juggernaut is tough, hitting him at that speed (with a partially materialised hand perhaps) will likely hurt quite a bit.

#29 Posted by Gottheit (3473 posts) - - Show Bio

He would have to, just so his hand wouldn't break upon contact with something stationary.

#30 Posted by Ebony Bishop (767 posts) - - Show Bio

Gottheit says:

"Speed Force is everywhere."

Nope, not in the Marvel Universe. JLA/Avengers showed that.