#1 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

Trion Juggernaut vs Silver Surfer

Who will win this clash of titans, Rules go as followed

  • Win is bye Death, K.O., Surrender or Incapacitation
  • No external resource or allies
  • All powers are allowed
  • Random encounter
  • Only basic knowledge on each other
  • Bloodlusted

Battle takes place here

Rules regarding location

  • Only starts here, can be taken literally anywhere
  • No bystanders, besides those who are driving the flying cars
  • 5 kilometre starting distance
  • neutral universe, however they both have access to their powers

Who wins?

#2 Posted by ImTheDamnBatman (3548 posts) - - Show Bio

...Is that Rob Liefield art I see?

#3 Posted by Jokergeist (4935 posts) - - Show Bio

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#5 Posted by XiiX (9474 posts) - - Show Bio

Juggernaut.

#6 Posted by Marksman (1352 posts) - - Show Bio

Juggs. I'd be willing to argue that normal Juggs could stalemate Surfer.

#7 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

Trion Juggernaut has no feats. 
Silver Surfer has telepathy and it is a planetary level.  Juggernaut can be hurt by TP even with his helmet on. Sooner or later Surfer will take him down.
 
 

Surfer calming down Galandorian's p2
Surfer calming down Galandorian's p1
#8 Posted by GhostRider2 (3627 posts) - - Show Bio

Silver Surfer.

#9 Posted by Captain_Awesome85 (452 posts) - - Show Bio

Surfer FTW

#10 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@GhostRider2 said:

Silver Surfer.

this

#11 Posted by SSJ4Hulk (194 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666: Do you know who Trion Juggernaut is?

#12 Posted by Bo88gdan (4676 posts) - - Show Bio

Trion Juggernaut

#13 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio
@SSJ4Hulk said:

@czarny_samael666: Do you know who Trion Juggernaut is?

I do. I've read that story. TJ only punched trough reality, what is not a measurable feat. He still was taken down by Xavier's TP.
#14 Posted by 14NC3 (1794 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666:

Juggernaut still has his helmet. And how the hell did they get TJs helmet off in the comic??

#15 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio
@14NC3 said:

@czarny_samael666:

Juggernaut still has his helmet. And how the hell did they get TJs helmet off in the comic??

IIRC - they didn't. Juggernuat isn't immune to TP in his helmet, he is very highly resistant. He felt Sinister's machine and he was Psi-bolted by Cap. Universe. Both with helmet on.
#16 Posted by whydama (1093 posts) - - Show Bio

SS wins by telepath/BFR to Neutral Dimension

#17 Posted by BlueHope (360 posts) - - Show Bio

SS

#18 Posted by crabtree (1613 posts) - - Show Bio

SS.

#19 Posted by dondave (38907 posts) - - Show Bio

SS can only win via telepathy or BFR

#20 Posted by Pyrogram (41344 posts) - - Show Bio

S/S

#21 Posted by Killemall (18607 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666 said:

@SSJ4Hulk said:

@czarny_samael666: Do you know who Trion Juggernaut is?

I do. I've read that story. TJ only punched trough reality, what is not a measurable feat. He still was taken down by Xavier's TP.

What issues does Trion juggernaut appear? If you could give me the issue numbers i can go and read, i have the whole X-men collection (havent read more than half of it) would love to read.

#22 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio
@Killemall said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

@SSJ4Hulk said:

@czarny_samael666: Do you know who Trion Juggernaut is?

I do. I've read that story. TJ only punched trough reality, what is not a measurable feat. He still was taken down by Xavier's TP.

What issues does Trion juggernaut appear? If you could give me the issue numbers i can go and read, i have the whole X-men collection (havent read more than half of it) would love to read.

I've looked in Marvel Database and for sure here:
http://marvel.wikia.com/Uncanny_X-Men_Vol_1_369 
And around that issue.
#23 Posted by asIsuspected (543 posts) - - Show Bio

@Marksman said:

Juggs. I'd be willing to argue that normal Juggs could stalemate Surfer.

this

#24 Posted by Ddecourt (803 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

SS can only win via telepathy or BFR

#25 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3575 posts) - - Show Bio

Problem with Surfer's telepathy is, he doesn't know Cain Marko and the fact that Cain's mind is a Labyrinth that is linked directly to the Crimson Cosmos. Xavier once probed Cain and DID NOT WANT to venture off into the Crimson Cosmo void in fear that once his Astral Form touches that area, he's soul would be stuck inside the Crimson Cosmos.

Same result can go with anyone else.

But just using telepathy on non-moral Juggernaut (Trion Juggernaut has no morals), will not be that easy. Bedlam who is a more powerful telepath than Onslaught was let alone the Silver Surfer was repelled off of Cain's mind because of his sheer will-power. However, Trion Juggernaut is a different story and would be much more harder to get to, having know that Surfer doesn't know who Cain is. Lastly, don't forget for an instant that Cain has mental telepthy as well, and when not jobbing, has the potential to utilize it much better than Xavier would have when he used his mental power with the aid of his magic to pull Xavier's physical body and Astral body into Cain's own mind..... --- At Will.

BFR?

Can't BFR Trion Juggernaut. He'll just punch the Time-Space Continuum and get back from one place back to the other -OR- Use his own body to pull everything else in.

Ability to Absorb momentum/Speed:

Surfer can't really do much if he can not move. Trion Juggernaut doesn't jobber. He would and should use his powers without any holding back or regret. Got to remember that Juggernaut is a walking embodiment of the Crimson Bands in a form of a Human Juggernaut.

Breaking Time and Shattering Reality:

When Juggernaut punches through reality, he is destroying that realities time therefore, shattering that reality space-time continuum. So don't compare his punching reality to Superman Prime punching a portal in space to get from one spatial point to another. Also, Superman expressed fatigue and resting periods to recover his lost strength and vitality.... Trion Juggernaut on the other hand, was getting more powerful for each reality he shattered. Punching reality and shattering it would best be described as watching a mirror break.

Limits to Power Cosmic vs Unlimited Crimson Cosmos:

It is said that Juggernaut uses 12% of a fraction of ONE aspect of the Crimson Cosmos. And that aspect was considered to be the aspect of Destruction. The 12% likely means "Physical Destruction" to represent Juggernaut to a Physical Universe. Surfer is said to use 0.0001% or something of the power of Galactus. Not One aspect of Galactus, but sharing it as a whole source. Yet, what is 0.0001% of the Power Cosmics compared to 12% of One fraction over another that is divided into Aspects?

I'll leave it as for now....

#26 Posted by Ultimate_Riddler (289 posts) - - Show Bio

Juggernaut's helmet has always protected him from telepathy. Bypassing that is PIS, especially with an upgraded Juggernaut such as the Trion version. More over, Juggernaut had fashioned a skull cap made from the same material his helmet was made from in case someone managed to remove the helmet.

#27 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3575 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ultimate_Riddler said:

Juggernaut's helmet has always protected him from telepathy. Bypassing that is PIS, especially with an upgraded Juggernaut such as the Trion version. More over, Juggernaut had fashioned a skull cap made from the same material his helmet was made from in case someone managed to remove the helmet.

Super Telepathy: No Effect

Juggernaut's own pysonic powers vs Xavier's

Juggernaut's mind is able to fend off mental attacks or possession --- but he chooses not to....

#28 Posted by Ultimate_Riddler (289 posts) - - Show Bio

So we have an inconsistency with Juggernaut's powers. Again. I could post scans of the times he needed to have the helmet removed, but most that I personally have are from the 60s and 70s. I also vaguely recall a time where he was not equipped with his usual armor and made his own, which did not offer the same telepathic protection as the original did. Here's a question: Has it been explained in those instances why Cain chose not to defend himself from telepathy? Also, the scan with Xavier's astral form. Could I please see the whole page?

#29 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: i love your arguments, but have considered molecular warping?

#30 Posted by UltraSuperTrooper (676 posts) - - Show Bio

Surfer no problem

#31 Posted by King Saturn (225200 posts) - - Show Bio
Silver Surfer should be able to handle Juggernaut...