Juggernaut vs Silver Surfer

Trion Juggernaut vs Silver Surfer

Who will win this clash of titans, Rules go as followed

• Win is bye Death, K.O., Surrender or Incapacitation
• No external resource or allies
• All powers are allowed
• Random encounter
• Only basic knowledge on each other
• Bloodlusted

Battle takes place here

Rules regarding location

• Only starts here, can be taken literally anywhere
• No bystanders, besides those who are driving the flying cars
• 5 kilometre starting distance
• neutral universe, however they both have access to their powers

Who wins?

...Is that Rob Liefield art I see?

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Juggernaut.

Juggs. I'd be willing to argue that normal Juggs could stalemate Surfer.

Trion Juggernaut has no feats. 
Silver Surfer has telepathy and it is a planetary level.  Juggernaut can be hurt by TP even with his helmet on. Sooner or later Surfer will take him down.
 
 

Silver Surfer.

Surfer FTW

@GhostRider2 said:

Silver Surfer.

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@czarny_samael666: Do you know who Trion Juggernaut is?

Trion Juggernaut

@czarny_samael666: Do you know who Trion Juggernaut is?

@czarny_samael666:

Juggernaut still has his helmet. And how the hell did they get TJs helmet off in the comic??

@czarny_samael666:

Juggernaut still has his helmet. And how the hell did they get TJs helmet off in the comic??

SS wins by telepath/BFR to Neutral Dimension

SS

SS.

SS can only win via telepathy or BFR

S/S

@czarny_samael666 said:

@SSJ4Hulk said:

@czarny_samael666: Do you know who Trion Juggernaut is?

I do. I've read that story. TJ only punched trough reality, what is not a measurable feat. He still was taken down by Xavier's TP.

What issues does Trion juggernaut appear? If you could give me the issue numbers i can go and read, i have the whole X-men collection (havent read more than half of it) would love to read.

@czarny_samael666 said:

@SSJ4Hulk said:

@czarny_samael666: Do you know who Trion Juggernaut is?

I do. I've read that story. TJ only punched trough reality, what is not a measurable feat. He still was taken down by Xavier's TP.

What issues does Trion juggernaut appear? If you could give me the issue numbers i can go and read, i have the whole X-men collection (havent read more than half of it) would love to read.

@Marksman said:

Juggs. I'd be willing to argue that normal Juggs could stalemate Surfer.

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@dondave said:

SS can only win via telepathy or BFR

Problem with Surfer's telepathy is, he doesn't know Cain Marko and the fact that Cain's mind is a Labyrinth that is linked directly to the Crimson Cosmos. Xavier once probed Cain and DID NOT WANT to venture off into the Crimson Cosmo void in fear that once his Astral Form touches that area, he's soul would be stuck inside the Crimson Cosmos.

Same result can go with anyone else.

But just using telepathy on non-moral Juggernaut (Trion Juggernaut has no morals), will not be that easy. Bedlam who is a more powerful telepath than Onslaught was let alone the Silver Surfer was repelled off of Cain's mind because of his sheer will-power. However, Trion Juggernaut is a different story and would be much more harder to get to, having know that Surfer doesn't know who Cain is. Lastly, don't forget for an instant that Cain has mental telepthy as well, and when not jobbing, has the potential to utilize it much better than Xavier would have when he used his mental power with the aid of his magic to pull Xavier's physical body and Astral body into Cain's own mind..... --- At Will.

BFR?

Can't BFR Trion Juggernaut. He'll just punch the Time-Space Continuum and get back from one place back to the other -OR- Use his own body to pull everything else in.

Ability to Absorb momentum/Speed:

Surfer can't really do much if he can not move. Trion Juggernaut doesn't jobber. He would and should use his powers without any holding back or regret. Got to remember that Juggernaut is a walking embodiment of the Crimson Bands in a form of a Human Juggernaut.

Breaking Time and Shattering Reality:

When Juggernaut punches through reality, he is destroying that realities time therefore, shattering that reality space-time continuum. So don't compare his punching reality to Superman Prime punching a portal in space to get from one spatial point to another. Also, Superman expressed fatigue and resting periods to recover his lost strength and vitality.... Trion Juggernaut on the other hand, was getting more powerful for each reality he shattered. Punching reality and shattering it would best be described as watching a mirror break.

Limits to Power Cosmic vs Unlimited Crimson Cosmos:

It is said that Juggernaut uses 12% of a fraction of ONE aspect of the Crimson Cosmos. And that aspect was considered to be the aspect of Destruction. The 12% likely means "Physical Destruction" to represent Juggernaut to a Physical Universe. Surfer is said to use 0.0001% or something of the power of Galactus. Not One aspect of Galactus, but sharing it as a whole source. Yet, what is 0.0001% of the Power Cosmics compared to 12% of One fraction over another that is divided into Aspects?

I'll leave it as for now....

Juggernaut's helmet has always protected him from telepathy. Bypassing that is PIS, especially with an upgraded Juggernaut such as the Trion version. More over, Juggernaut had fashioned a skull cap made from the same material his helmet was made from in case someone managed to remove the helmet.

@Ultimate_Riddler said:

Juggernaut's helmet has always protected him from telepathy. Bypassing that is PIS, especially with an upgraded Juggernaut such as the Trion version. More over, Juggernaut had fashioned a skull cap made from the same material his helmet was made from in case someone managed to remove the helmet.

Super Telepathy: No Effect

Juggernaut's own pysonic powers vs Xavier's

Gallery

Juggernaut's mind is able to fend off mental attacks or possession --- but he chooses not to....

So we have an inconsistency with Juggernaut's powers. Again. I could post scans of the times he needed to have the helmet removed, but most that I personally have are from the 60s and 70s. I also vaguely recall a time where he was not equipped with his usual armor and made his own, which did not offer the same telepathic protection as the original did. Here's a question: Has it been explained in those instances why Cain chose not to defend himself from telepathy? Also, the scan with Xavier's astral form. Could I please see the whole page?

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: i love your arguments, but have considered molecular warping?

Surfer no problem