Fight takes place on Ellis Island,NY. It's midnight. This fight is to the death. (I know everybody is going to say Juggernaut but I'm just wondering how long the fight would go and how good of a stand Ares would have against Juggernaut.)
Juggernaut vs Ares
"Ares was one-shotted by WWH, so he will be lucky to last as long against Juggernaut. "
True why is the god of war so weak
Ares stands 0 chance against Juggernaut.Thor and Hulk can't even beat him giving it their all and they'd wipe the floor with Ares.The key is strength and skill and Ares doesn't have enough of either to even piss Juggernaut off.
"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:"Ares was one-shotted by WWH, so he will be lucky to last as long against Juggernaut. "True why is the god of war so weak "
Based on many of his high-end feats, I wouldn't necesarily consider him to be weak. It's just that a lot of users on here criticize Marvel for not making him even half as formidable as DC Ares.
"Ares stands 0 chance against Juggernaut.Thor and Hulk can't even beat him giving it their all and they'd wipe the floor with Ares.The key is strength and skill and Ares doesn't have enough of either to even piss Juggernaut off. "
Skill is hardly ever a factor against Juggernaut to begin with, even though that is definitely Ares' top attribute. You're right, though, that Ares is badly outclassed in terms of raw strength and durability.
"@eserrano05 said:"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:because marvel made him weak lol ""Ares was one-shotted by WWH, so he will be lucky to last as long against Juggernaut. "True why is the god of war so weak "
well that does explain it
" @Vance Astro said:Of course it is.If you can find some way to BFR him you don't have to worry about fighting him or if you can figure out a way creatively to use your abilities to get him to drop his guard.Case in point, against Thor; the knowledge of his powers being magical was used against him when Thor negated the magical energy in the area dropping Juggernaut's shields and making him vulnerable to physical attack. Another instance is when Deadpool used another character to get Juggernaut to BFR himself.I have seen plenty of different ways Juggernaut has been BFR'd through skill and creative use of abilities and surroundings.None of which in this case are on Ares side seeing as how New York City is the last place you want to fight Juggernaut.He has no regard for human life and can pretty much use the entire city as a weapon granted he hasn't already one shotted Ares.Skill is hardly ever a factor against Juggernaut to begin with, even though that is definitely Ares' top attribute. You're right, though, that Ares is badly outclassed in terms of raw strength and durability. ""Ares stands 0 chance against Juggernaut.Thor and Hulk can't even beat him giving it their all and they'd wipe the floor with Ares.The key is strength and skill and Ares doesn't have enough of either to even piss Juggernaut off. "
@eserrano05 said:
" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:He's NOT actually he's just weak in comparison to Class 100's."Ares was one-shotted by WWH, so he will be lucky to last as long against Juggernaut. "True why is the god of war so weak "
" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:" @Vance Astro said:Of course it is.If you can find some way to BFR him you don't have to worry about fighting him or if you can figure out a way creatively to use your abilities to get him to drop his guard.Case in point, against Thor; the knowledge of his powers being magical was used against him when Thor negated the magical energy in the area dropping Juggernaut's shields and making him vulnerable to physical attack. Another instance is when Deadpool used another character to get Juggernaut to BFR himself.I have seen plenty of different ways Juggernaut has been BFR'd through skill and creative use of abilities and surroundings.None of which in this case are on Ares side seeing as how New York City is the last place you want to fight Juggernaut.He has no regard for human life and can pretty much use the entire city as a weapon granted he hasn't already one shotted Ares.Skill is hardly ever a factor against Juggernaut to begin with, even though that is definitely Ares' top attribute. You're right, though, that Ares is badly outclassed in terms of raw strength and durability. ""Ares stands 0 chance against Juggernaut.Thor and Hulk can't even beat him giving it their all and they'd wipe the floor with Ares.The key is strength and skill and Ares doesn't have enough of either to even piss Juggernaut off. "
@eserrano05 said:" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:He's NOT actually he's just weak in comparison to Class 100's. ""Ares was one-shotted by WWH, so he will be lucky to last as long against Juggernaut. "True why is the god of war so weak "
What does any of that have to do that skill? Thor has only managed to BFR Juggernaut in both of their fights, but that was only due to him properly utilizing Mjolnir in the given situation. Winning via incapacitation or using the environment to your advantage are examples of savvy techniques and in-fight versatility. BTW Thor isn't on par with Ares in terms of H2H skills.
" @Vance Astro said:" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:What does any of that have to do that skill? Thor has only managed to BFR Juggernaut in both of their fights, but that was only due to him properly utilizing Mjolnir in the given situation. Winning via incapacitation or using the environment to your advantage are examples of savvy techniques and in-fight versatility. BTW Thor isn't on par with Ares in terms of H2H skills. "" @Vance Astro said:Of course it is.If you can find some way to BFR him you don't have to worry about fighting him or if you can figure out a way creatively to use your abilities to get him to drop his guard.Case in point, against Thor; the knowledge of his powers being magical was used against him when Thor negated the magical energy in the area dropping Juggernaut's shields and making him vulnerable to physical attack. Another instance is when Deadpool used another character to get Juggernaut to BFR himself.I have seen plenty of different ways Juggernaut has been BFR'd through skill and creative use of abilities and surroundings.None of which in this case are on Ares side seeing as how New York City is the last place you want to fight Juggernaut.He has no regard for human life and can pretty much use the entire city as a weapon granted he hasn't already one shotted Ares.Skill is hardly ever a factor against Juggernaut to begin with, even though that is definitely Ares' top attribute. You're right, though, that Ares is badly outclassed in terms of raw strength and durability. ""Ares stands 0 chance against Juggernaut.Thor and Hulk can't even beat him giving it their all and they'd wipe the floor with Ares.The key is strength and skill and Ares doesn't have enough of either to even piss Juggernaut off. "
@eserrano05 said:" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:He's NOT actually he's just weak in comparison to Class 100's. ""Ares was one-shotted by WWH, so he will be lucky to last as long against Juggernaut. "True why is the god of war so weak "
Based on?
" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:" @Vance Astro said:Based on? "" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:What does any of that have to do that skill? Thor has only managed to BFR Juggernaut in both of their fights, but that was only due to him properly utilizing Mjolnir in the given situation. Winning via incapacitation or using the environment to your advantage are examples of savvy techniques and in-fight versatility. BTW Thor isn't on par with Ares in terms of H2H skills. "" @Vance Astro said:Of course it is.If you can find some way to BFR him you don't have to worry about fighting him or if you can figure out a way creatively to use your abilities to get him to drop his guard.Case in point, against Thor; the knowledge of his powers being magical was used against him when Thor negated the magical energy in the area dropping Juggernaut's shields and making him vulnerable to physical attack. Another instance is when Deadpool used another character to get Juggernaut to BFR himself.I have seen plenty of different ways Juggernaut has been BFR'd through skill and creative use of abilities and surroundings.None of which in this case are on Ares side seeing as how New York City is the last place you want to fight Juggernaut.He has no regard for human life and can pretty much use the entire city as a weapon granted he hasn't already one shotted Ares.Skill is hardly ever a factor against Juggernaut to begin with, even though that is definitely Ares' top attribute. You're right, though, that Ares is badly outclassed in terms of raw strength and durability. ""Ares stands 0 chance against Juggernaut.Thor and Hulk can't even beat him giving it their all and they'd wipe the floor with Ares.The key is strength and skill and Ares doesn't have enough of either to even piss Juggernaut off. "
@eserrano05 said:" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:He's NOT actually he's just weak in comparison to Class 100's. ""Ares was one-shotted by WWH, so he will be lucky to last as long against Juggernaut. "True why is the god of war so weak "
Thor has already admitted that is inferior to Hercules as a combatant. On the other hand, Dark Avengers: Ares gave us the message that Ares is more skilled than Herc.
What does any of that have to do that skill? Thor has only managed to BFR Juggernaut in both of their fights, but that was only due to him properly utilizing Mjolnir in the given situation. Winning via incapacitation or using the environment to your advantage are examples of savvy techniques and in-fight versatility. BTW Thor isn't on par with Ares in terms of H2H skills. "Who said Thor was on par with anyone in any thing.I was just saying applying some actual tactics (skill) can be applied in fighting Juggernaut.Most characters would try and brawl with him which gets them beat up.Actually thinking about what strategy to apply for someone like Thor is a showing of skill..alot more than he's shown against characters like Gladiator who he's lost to but still in their encounters tried to brawl with him.
" @Lance Uppercut said:" This wouldn't last long. "This. "
Yeah! Not great match up, there's basically nothing Ares could do to Juggernaut, and he doesn't have the capabilites for a bfr, he's pretty much screwed. He's not even in the 100 ton range. He goes down hard!
" Ares stands 0 chance against Juggernaut.Thor and Hulk can't even beat him giving it their all and they'd wipe the floor with Ares.The key is strength and skill and Ares doesn't have enough of either to even piss Juggernaut off. "Thor beat Juggernaut 3 out of 4 times.
I think Ares is plenty strong (original 70 tons). With his skill level and mastery of weapons 70 tons (think he may have been unnecessarily boosted to class 100) is way more than enough to best most opponents (imagine a razor sharp adamantine axe being masterfully wielded and backed by 70 tons of power). I think this fight would be a stalmate. Both fighters are pretty much immortal and tireless. Juggernaut is too slow and not skilled enough to really land a shot on Ares (if he is fighting the way he could fight) and Ares couldn't damage Juggs at all.
" I think Ares is plenty strong (original 70 tons). With his skill level and mastery of weapons 70 tons (think he may have been unnecessarily boosted to class 100) is way more than enough to best most opponents (imagine a razor sharp adamantine axe being masterfully wielded and backed by 70 tons of power). I think this fight would be a stalmate. Both fighters are pretty much immortal and tireless. Juggernaut is too slow and not skilled enough to really land a shot on Ares (if he is fighting the way he could fight) and Ares couldn't damage Juggs at all. "Ares is class 75.Also his skill level rarely helps him against anyone.This wouldn't be a stalemate.If Juggernaut gets off one good punch (which he will), Ares is taking a long nap.
" @Valkaad said:That's why I specified "fighting the way he could fight". The guy has fought in thousands upon thousands of battles and would in "real" life be able to easily evade any haymaker juggs would throw at him." I think Ares is plenty strong (original 70 tons). With his skill level and mastery of weapons 70 tons (think he may have been unnecessarily boosted to class 100) is way more than enough to best most opponents (imagine a razor sharp adamantine axe being masterfully wielded and backed by 70 tons of power). I think this fight would be a stalmate. Both fighters are pretty much immortal and tireless. Juggernaut is too slow and not skilled enough to really land a shot on Ares (if he is fighting the way he could fight) and Ares couldn't damage Juggs at all. "Ares is class 75.Also his skill level rarely helps him against anyone.This wouldn't be a stalemate.If Juggernaut gets off one good punch (which he will), Ares is taking a long nap. "
Ares is not a smart enough fighter to come up with a winning strategy (if there even is a winning strategy against Juggernaut). He'd think that his 'Godly' might would be enough and just throw everything he has at Juggernaut but Juggernaut would just laugh it all off.
As for why Ares isn't as powerful as some people think he should be. Its not just a Marvel thing, in actual mythology Ares always loses to the likes of Athena and Hercules, therefore the comic character needs to reflect that. Sure he's stronger and more bloodthirsty than most but he can't compete with the likes of Hulk, Juggernaut, Thor, Hercules and others.
" @Vance Astro said:No..he wouldn't.Ares isn't that fast.I've have yet to see a single speed from him." @Valkaad said:That's why I specified "fighting the way he could fight". The guy has fought in thousands upon thousands of battles and would in "real" life be able to easily evade any haymaker juggs would throw at him. "" I think Ares is plenty strong (original 70 tons). With his skill level and mastery of weapons 70 tons (think he may have been unnecessarily boosted to class 100) is way more than enough to best most opponents (imagine a razor sharp adamantine axe being masterfully wielded and backed by 70 tons of power). I think this fight would be a stalmate. Both fighters are pretty much immortal and tireless. Juggernaut is too slow and not skilled enough to really land a shot on Ares (if he is fighting the way he could fight) and Ares couldn't damage Juggs at all. "Ares is class 75.Also his skill level rarely helps him against anyone.This wouldn't be a stalemate.If Juggernaut gets off one good punch (which he will), Ares is taking a long nap. "
Also Marvel may claim he's a level 7 but that doesn't mean he is.Like characters like Zaran he's never done anything Level 7-ish.His skills are a pretty much a joke.
" @Vance Astro said:Proof? I don't ever recall Thor beating Juggernaut." Ares stands 0 chance against Juggernaut.Thor and Hulk can't even beat him giving it their all and they'd wipe the floor with Ares.The key is strength and skill and Ares doesn't have enough of either to even piss Juggernaut off. "Thor beat Juggernaut 3 out of 4 times. "
" @Winduizcool said:" @Vance Astro said:Proof? I don't ever recall Thor beating Juggernaut. "" Ares stands 0 chance against Juggernaut.Thor and Hulk can't even beat him giving it their all and they'd wipe the floor with Ares.The key is strength and skill and Ares doesn't have enough of either to even piss Juggernaut off. "Thor beat Juggernaut 3 out of 4 times. "
Thor's never actually beaten Juggernaut in a straight-up fight before.
" @Vance Astro said:I thought so." @Winduizcool said:Thor's never actually beaten Juggernaut in a straight-up fight before. "" @Vance Astro said:Proof? I don't ever recall Thor beating Juggernaut. "" Ares stands 0 chance against Juggernaut.Thor and Hulk can't even beat him giving it their all and they'd wipe the floor with Ares.The key is strength and skill and Ares doesn't have enough of either to even piss Juggernaut off. "Thor beat Juggernaut 3 out of 4 times. "
"@Vance Astro said:" @Winduizcool said:Thor's never actually beaten Juggernaut in a straight-up fight before. "" @Vance Astro said:Proof? I don't ever recall Thor beating Juggernaut. "" Ares stands 0 chance against Juggernaut.Thor and Hulk can't even beat him giving it their all and they'd wipe the floor with Ares.The key is strength and skill and Ares doesn't have enough of either to even piss Juggernaut off. "Thor beat Juggernaut 3 out of 4 times. "
he was beating the juggernaut when he use mjolnir to negate the force fild, he was just about to beat it when the hammer return ti his hand, he then bfr the juggernaut.
he was beating the juggernaut when he use mjolnir to negate the force fild, he was just about to beat it when the hammer return ti his hand, he then bfr the juggernaut. "This is true...
" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:he hit him what, two or thee times?"@Vance Astro said:he was beating the juggernaut when he use mjolnir to negate the force fild, he was just about to beat it when the hammer return ti his hand, he then bfr the juggernaut. "" @Winduizcool said:Thor's never actually beaten Juggernaut in a straight-up fight before. "" @Vance Astro said:Proof? I don't ever recall Thor beating Juggernaut. "" Ares stands 0 chance against Juggernaut.Thor and Hulk can't even beat him giving it their all and they'd wipe the floor with Ares.The key is strength and skill and Ares doesn't have enough of either to even piss Juggernaut off. "Thor beat Juggernaut 3 out of 4 times. "
" @blacktom212 said:" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:he hit him what, two or thee times? ""@Vance Astro said:he was beating the juggernaut when he use mjolnir to negate the force fild, he was just about to beat it when the hammer return ti his hand, he then bfr the juggernaut. "" @Winduizcool said:Thor's never actually beaten Juggernaut in a straight-up fight before. "" @Vance Astro said:Proof? I don't ever recall Thor beating Juggernaut. "" Ares stands 0 chance against Juggernaut.Thor and Hulk can't even beat him giving it their all and they'd wipe the floor with Ares.The key is strength and skill and Ares doesn't have enough of either to even piss Juggernaut off. "Thor beat Juggernaut 3 out of 4 times. "
three times i think or four i dont remember, but he was going to beat him, until his force field activate again.
" @the human Juggernaut said:so your just assuming he was going to beat him then. Interesting." @blacktom212 said:three times i think or four i dont remember, but he was going to beat him, until his force field activate again. "" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:he hit him what, two or thee times? ""@Vance Astro said:he was beating the juggernaut when he use mjolnir to negate the force fild, he was just about to beat it when the hammer return ti his hand, he then bfr the juggernaut. "" @Winduizcool said:Thor's never actually beaten Juggernaut in a straight-up fight before. "" @Vance Astro said:Proof? I don't ever recall Thor beating Juggernaut. "" Ares stands 0 chance against Juggernaut.Thor and Hulk can't even beat him giving it their all and they'd wipe the floor with Ares.The key is strength and skill and Ares doesn't have enough of either to even piss Juggernaut off. "Thor beat Juggernaut 3 out of 4 times. "
so your just assuming he was going to beat him then. Interesting. "The writer saved Juggernaut.Assuming Thor could negate Juggernaut's invulnerability for longer than he had...there is really nothing stopping Thor from defeating him.Juggernaut's durability is honestly the only thing that keeps Thor from beating him in the first place.There is nothing else in Juggernaut's favor.Not speed,not strength,not fighitng skill,not intellect..nothing.
" @blacktom212 said:" @the human Juggernaut said:so your just assuming he was going to beat him then. Interesting. "" @blacktom212 said:three times i think or four i dont remember, but he was going to beat him, until his force field activate again. "" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:he hit him what, two or thee times? ""@Vance Astro said:he was beating the juggernaut when he use mjolnir to negate the force fild, he was just about to beat it when the hammer return ti his hand, he then bfr the juggernaut. "" @Winduizcool said:Thor's never actually beaten Juggernaut in a straight-up fight before. "" @Vance Astro said:Proof? I don't ever recall Thor beating Juggernaut. "" Ares stands 0 chance against Juggernaut.Thor and Hulk can't even beat him giving it their all and they'd wipe the floor with Ares.The key is strength and skill and Ares doesn't have enough of either to even piss Juggernaut off. "Thor beat Juggernaut 3 out of 4 times. "
yes if it wanst for mjolnir coming back at that moment he( thor) would have ko the juggernaut
" @the human Juggernaut said:how many thor/juggernaut encounters have you read?so your just assuming he was going to beat him then. Interesting. "The writer saved Juggernaut.Assuming Thor could negate Juggernaut's invulnerability for longer than he had...there is really nothing stopping Thor from defeating him.Juggernaut's durability is honestly the only thing that keeps Thor from beating him in the first place.There is nothing else in Juggernaut's favor.Not speed,not strength,not fighitng skill,not intellect..nothing. "
" @the human Juggernaut said:there you go again making an assumption." @blacktom212 said:yes if it wanst for mjolnir coming back at that moment he( thor) would have ko the juggernaut "" @the human Juggernaut said:so your just assuming he was going to beat him then. Interesting. "" @blacktom212 said:three times i think or four i dont remember, but he was going to beat him, until his force field activate again. "" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:he hit him what, two or thee times? ""@Vance Astro said:he was beating the juggernaut when he use mjolnir to negate the force fild, he was just about to beat it when the hammer return ti his hand, he then bfr the juggernaut. "" @Winduizcool said:Thor's never actually beaten Juggernaut in a straight-up fight before. "" @Vance Astro said:Proof? I don't ever recall Thor beating Juggernaut. "" Ares stands 0 chance against Juggernaut.Thor and Hulk can't even beat him giving it their all and they'd wipe the floor with Ares.The key is strength and skill and Ares doesn't have enough of either to even piss Juggernaut off. "Thor beat Juggernaut 3 out of 4 times. "
" @Colt Python XVII said:All of them.Although I don't remember them all detail for detail..I know for a fact that what I just said is accurate." @the human Juggernaut said:how many thor/juggernaut encounters have you read? "so your just assuming he was going to beat him then. Interesting. "The writer saved Juggernaut.Assuming Thor could negate Juggernaut's invulnerability for longer than he had...there is really nothing stopping Thor from defeating him.Juggernaut's durability is honestly the only thing that keeps Thor from beating him in the first place.There is nothing else in Juggernaut's favor.Not speed,not strength,not fighitng skill,not intellect..nothing. "
" @blacktom212 said:" @the human Juggernaut said:there you go again making an assumption. "" @blacktom212 said:yes if it wanst for mjolnir coming back at that moment he( thor) would have ko the juggernaut "" @the human Juggernaut said:so your just assuming he was going to beat him then. Interesting. "" @blacktom212 said:three times i think or four i dont remember, but he was going to beat him, until his force field activate again. "" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:he hit him what, two or thee times? ""@Vance Astro said:he was beating the juggernaut when he use mjolnir to negate the force fild, he was just about to beat it when the hammer return ti his hand, he then bfr the juggernaut. "" @Winduizcool said:Thor's never actually beaten Juggernaut in a straight-up fight before. "" @Vance Astro said:Proof? I don't ever recall Thor beating Juggernaut. "" Ares stands 0 chance against Juggernaut.Thor and Hulk can't even beat him giving it their all and they'd wipe the floor with Ares.The key is strength and skill and Ares doesn't have enough of either to even piss Juggernaut off. "Thor beat Juggernaut 3 out of 4 times. "
so what would you expect to happen then?
dude, sorry thor beat the juggernaut
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