Alan is only really vulnerable to wood if he believes himself to be. In this particular case we can rule that out because he's bloodlusted, and as such he'd be possessed by the Starheart entity. Wood will not be a vulnerability to him.
Alan solo'ed DC Earth including on-panel fights with a group much more powerful than these guys, including Dr Fate, Obsedian, Captain Atom, Kyle Rayner, Donna Troy, Jade, Atom Smasher, Citizen Steel, Supergirl, Power Girl, Miss Martian, Booster Gold, StarGirl, and more, while simultaneously causing natural disasters throughout the world. All this... while he was located on the Moon. He's invulnerable to physical harm and is made up of pure magical energy, able to mind-control people like Fate, Obsidian, and Miss Martian with little effort, and grand normal humans super-powers.
@highaccuser Bloodlsuted Alan doesn't suddenly mean Full Starheart. He only became Starheart because the Starheart possessed him. It's not a power he can replicate anytime he becomes bloodlusted.
@highaccuser Bloodlsuted Alan doesn't suddenly mean Full Starheart. He only became Starheart because the Starheart possessed him. It's not a power he can replicate anytime he becomes bloodlusted.
The point is if he's bloodlusted he'll willingly let the Starheart take control.
@highaccuser No he wouldn't. He nearly let Eclipso kill him just so the Starheart wouldn't take control. Him being bloodlusted doesn't mean he's going to put Earth at risk. Not to mention, while he became more powerful at the end of the story he's not as powerful as the Starheart who fought the JSA and the JLA.
@highaccuser No he wouldn't. He nearly let Eclipso kill him just so the Starheart wouldn't take control. Him being bloodlusted doesn't mean he's going to put Earth at risk. Not to mention, while he became more powerful at the end of the story he's not as powerful as the Starheart who fought the JSA and the JLA.
"Bloodlusted" in these battles generally means that you're willing to do whatever it takes to win. Also, putting the Earth at risk is not a factor here because 1) they're not fighting on Earth, and 2) the consequences of what happens in this battle dont carry over to the "real" continuity of that character.
So, bloodlusted means he will want to do what it takes to win, which here means using his full power and if that happens he wont be able to control the Starheart, which WILL possess him.
@willpayton It doesn't. It just mean the person is extremely angry not that he's going to release the Starheart. He's willing to die so the Starheart isn't released but once he gets angry he doesn't care anymore?
The continuity of the characters affects the choices they make in battle. Following your logic I could say in a Superman battle thread that Superman kills his opponents straight away because the consequences of the battle thread doesn't carry on into the "real" continuity of the Superman.
You're also forgetting that the Starheart that fought the JSA and JLA is more powerful than the Starheart Alan has.
@highaccuser Bloodlsuted Alan doesn't suddenly mean Full Starheart. He only became Starheart because the Starheart possessed him. It's not a power he can replicate anytime he becomes bloodlusted.
The point is if he's bloodlusted he'll willingly let the Starheart take control.
He didn't have to let the starheart take control to wield it fully at the end of his run. Not after issue 54 of Justice Society of America.
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In Issue 54 Alan unleashed the full power of the starheart to D'Arken a god who is powered up by every metahuman close to him (and there were quite a bloody few in monument point at the time - Atom Smasher, Blue Devil, Billy Batson, Citizen Steel, Doctor Fate (Kent V. Nelson), Hourman (Richard Tyler), Jay Garrick, Jesse Chambers, Libby Lawrence, Lightning, Obsidian, Per Degaton, Scythe, Sonia Sato, Stargirl, Wildcat). As You'll see from the first few scans Darken becomes more powerful the longer he fights them (the more he is around their power soaking it up. Terrific tells Alan he can control the starheart and he unleashes it and then pulls it back in. He was gone after that and believed to be destroyed (well they buried an empty coffin anyway) He scacrificed himself to save Todd (his son obsidian who came too close when he was taking D'arken down)
Forum rules state most recent version unless otherwise stated. The most recent version pre 52 had power that could easily defeat a being that could solo the solo a tea,listed above (which is IMO greater than the list of lanterns in the OP. Nine Lanterns no matter how powerful aren't soloing a team of 16 heroes that includes Dr fate, Obsidian, Blue Devil (who I might add before two power upgrades defeated John steward in minutes), two flash family members, Stargirl, and Captain Marvel. That's the power that D'arken had absorbed.
Here is the BD feat
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The combined power of Zatanna and John Stewart couldn't beat a possessed Blue Devil who was also fighting his possessor from within. BD got two power upgrades since then. One during underworld unleashed when he made the deal with Neron for more fame and his appearance changed. Again when he became a fullblood demon and had rank and title in hell. he was one of those present that D'arken was effortlessly soloing
I'm confused how the OP includes pre and Nu52 feats, I assume that is for the Lanterns not the JSA (since they are completely different characters pre 52)
I don't see Citizen Steel or Hourman offering anything to this battle. CS is just too slow and Hourman is way out of his league ( he's like a 5 to 7 tonner tops).
Hyppolita and PG can only keep one of the lanterns busy for a while, they wont last.
KC Superman should be able to wreck a couple of the Lanterns, he's closer (not at) PC levels.
Flash should be able to beat one, maybe two also Speed steel and all, he's used it a few times so blood lusted will).
Obsidan has already soloed Kyle and Alan so he's good for at least a couple of Lanterns. Not to mention which after the fatherland arc it stated he was back to being able to use his FULL power (which would make him Underworld Unleashed levels and probably a greater threat that Alan or Fate). Not to mention what hisa bilty to show the darkness within someone would do to a blue Lanterns power level or a yellow (they would feel fear rather than give it).
Even before Fate gained the magic library knowledge of the helm he had defeated lady Blaze in her Realm when she was amped as well as a hell lord in his.
Alan is only really vulnerable to wood if he believes himself to be. In this particular case we can rule that out because he's bloodlusted, and as such he'd be possessed by the Starheart entity. Wood will not be a vulnerability to him.
Alan solo'ed DC Earth including on-panel fights with a group much more powerful than these guys, including Dr Fate, Obsedian, Captain Atom, Kyle Rayner, Donna Troy, Jade, Atom Smasher, Citizen Steel, Supergirl, Power Girl, Miss Martian, Booster Gold, StarGirl, and more, while simultaneously causing natural disasters throughout the world. All this... while he was located on the Moon. He's invulnerable to physical harm and is made up of pure magical energy, able to mind-control people like Fate, Obsidian, and Miss Martian with little effort, and grand normal humans super-powers.
Alan solos.
even you must admit that the wood weakness has to be the dumbest one in comics.
even you must admit that the wood weakness has to be the dumbest one in comics.
When he had the weakness to wood (which he hasn't for a while and I can show scans of him carrying wood with his constructs if I could be bothered looking for them) there was a very justified reason. His power comes from the magic of life. When the guardians gathered the magic to encase it in the starheart, the good magic broke free to prepare for the day that the evil magic (the starheart) did. Because his power came from life he couldn't adversely affect life, hence his power wouldn't act on the "green" to harm it. Wood in this instance represents life. Once he fully absorbed the starheart and contained it within himself his power came as much from evil as it did from life.
will not saint walker being here supercharge lanterns?
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Saint Walkers power relies on Hope. Something he wont have when obsidian shows him the darkness in his soul and those of all the heroes souls around him. he will instead fall into despair. Would that mean he depowers lanterns???
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