#1 Edited by Dream Omen (261 posts) - - Show Bio

JSA: Doctor Fate, Doctor Mid-Nite, The Flash, Green Lantern, Jakeem Thunder, Jesse Quick, Lightning, Mister America, Mister Terrific, Obsidin, Wildcat, Anna Fortune, Atom Smasher, Citizen Steel, Cyclone, Hourman, Judomaster, King Chimera, Power Girl, Sandman, Stargirl, Wildcat, Hawkman, Hawkgirl, Damage, Wildcat 2.

Avengers: Captain America, Thor, Maria Hill, Protector, Red Hulk, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, Wolverine, Ant-Man, Hulk, Black Panther, Black Widow, Moondragon, Ms. Marvel, Sub-Mariner, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, She-Hulk, Mr. Fantastic, Thing, Wasp, War Machine, Wonder Man, Vision, Luke Cage.

They fight in London. No interference from the outside. Fight can extend to entire Earth, or beyond.

First fight at their regular power levels. Second at their most powerful. Who wins and why??

#2 Posted by Saren (25451 posts) - - Show Bio

Please tell me that the Sandman mentioned as part of the OP isn't Dream of the Endless.

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#3 Posted by Dream Omen (261 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: Nooo! Of course not. :)

#4 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12273 posts) - - Show Bio

Maria Hill solos :P

#5 Posted by Illuminatus (9489 posts) - - Show Bio
@venomoushatred1001 said:

Maria Hill solos :P

I was just about to condescend and bicker at the OP for even placing her in this thread, but your subtle mock was far more amusing.
#6 Posted by Dream Omen (261 posts) - - Show Bio

I did give JSA Mister America. So they both have weak characters on their teams.

#7 Posted by PikminMania (4615 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dream Omen said:

JSA: Doctor Fate, Doctor Mid-Nite, The Flash, Green Lantern, Jakeem Thunder, Jesse Quick, Lightning, Mister America, Mister Terrific, Obsidin, Wildcat, Anna Fortune, Atom Smasher, Citizen Steel, Cyclone, Hourman, Judomaster, King Chimera, Power Girl, Sandman, Stargirl, Wildcat, Hawkman, Hawkgirl, Damage, Wildcat 2.

Avengers: Captain America, Thor, Maria Hill, Protector, Red Hulk, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, Wolverine, Ant-Man, Hulk, Black Panther, Black Widow, Moondragon, Ms. Marvel, Sub-Mariner, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, She-Hulk, Mr. Fantastic, Thing, Wasp, War Machine, Wonder Man, Vision, Luke Cage.

They fight in London. No interference from the outside. Fight can extend to entire Earth, or beyond.

First fight at their regular power levels. Second at their most powerful. Who wins and why??

Those characters I highlighted could defeat more than have of The Avengers alone. JSA STOMP!

#8 Posted by Dream Omen (261 posts) - - Show Bio

@PikminMania: Even the Rune King Thor and House of M Scarlet Witch in the second scenario??

#9 Posted by Stompa (1343 posts) - - Show Bio

Does the JSA have any telepath on the team that i have overseen? If not Moondragon could take out anybody that dosen't have TP protection. I am not sure if Jesse Quick and Flash are maybe too fast to be caught by a TP attack and Alan Scott sure as hell has a high TP resistance but if she can take out most of the JSA i think their heavy hitters could get overwhelmed by the Avengers.

#10 Posted by beatboks1 (7626 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dream Omen said:

Sandman

Do you mean Sandman as in original (i.e Wesley Dodd's) or Sand and in Sandy Hawkins ??

@Stompa: Aside from the fact that Flash and Jesse would have the same protection that Wally has (as in his mind moves too fast for TPers and he can change it's speed) to be unaffected, and Green lantern as you mentioned. Dr Fate and Obsidian have very high TP resistance. Also so does King Chimera.

@Dream Omen said:

@PikminMania: Even the Rune King Thor and House of M Scarlet Witch in the second scenario??

House of M Wanda may turn the tide (may) is depends because there are several of the JSAers who have very elevated levels ( Dr Fate, Green Lantern )- multiversal level,Obsidian , Jakeem Thnder and Hourman (worlogog)- Universal level if not multiversal. But I doubt Rune King Thor is going to turn the tide all that much with these heavy hitters.

#11 Posted by Dream Omen (261 posts) - - Show Bio

@beatboks1: I mean Sand, Sandy Hawkins.

What about Hulk and Red Hulk?? Didn`t Rulk once beat Silver Surfer??

#12 Posted by kratonians090 (40 posts) - - Show Bio

"ALIENS" VS "MUTANTS"

#13 Posted by Saren (25451 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dream Omen said:

Didn`t Rulk once beat Silver Surfer??

PIS, and that was n00b Surfer.

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#14 Posted by Stompa (1343 posts) - - Show Bio

@beatboks1 said:

@Dream Omen said:

Sandman

Do you mean Sandman as in original (i.e Wesley Dodd's) or Sand and in Sandy Hawkins ??

@Stompa: Aside from the fact that Flash and Jesse would have the same protection that Wally has (as in his mind moves too fast for TPers and he can change it's speed) to be unaffected, and Green lantern as you mentioned. Dr Fate and Obsidian have very high TP resistance. Also so does King Chimera.

@Dream Omen said:

@PikminMania: Even the Rune King Thor and House of M Scarlet Witch in the second scenario??

House of M Wanda may turn the tide (may) is depends because there are several of the JSAers who have very elevated levels ( Dr Fate, Green Lantern )- multiversal level,Obsidian , Jakeem Thnder and Hourman (worlogog)- Universal level if not multiversal. But I doubt Rune King Thor is going to turn the tide all that much with these heavy hitters.

So it´s six of the JSA vs all of the Avengers. All of those JSA members are very powerful so some of the Avengers are non factors but still i think that gives them a good fighting chance.

#15 Posted by chriconz123 (582 posts) - - Show Bio

It's basically Thor and Wonderman vs The JSA, after PG, Jesse, and Flash blitz everyone else.

#16 Posted by Dream Omen (261 posts) - - Show Bio

@chriconz123: Are Hulk and Rulk that much of a non factor in this fight??

#17 Posted by beatboks1 (7626 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dream Omen said:

@beatboks1: I mean Sand, Sandy Hawkins.

What about Hulk and Red Hulk?? Didn`t Rulk once beat Silver Surfer??

When you consider that Classic Fate, Starheart Alan, Darkness possessed Obsidian, and Jakeem Thunder with thunder bolt in his own realm ( All including Surfer at their most powerful) would trounce Surfer. And that the normal versions of each would give him a good fight, yeah!!! Citizen Steel could take their worst blows. Atom Smasher (since he can alter his density and become intangible or indestructible ) could also (or simply never be hit). No one on the Avengers has any chance of reacting to or even tagging Jay or Jesse ( both being light speeders). Damage has the ability to take out half the Avengers having accidentally blown up a city area. Avengers best chance is as Stompa stated mid rape of all non protected from TP to leave all Avengers facing those powerhouses. Even that I think still leaves them struggling as I see Fate or Alan protecting the others from teh assault once launched.

#18 Posted by PikminMania (4615 posts) - - Show Bio

@beatboks1 said:

@Dream Omen said:

@beatboks1: I mean Sand, Sandy Hawkins.

What about Hulk and Red Hulk?? Didn`t Rulk once beat Silver Surfer??

When you consider that Classic Fate, Starheart Alan, Darkness possessed Obsidian, and Jakeem Thunder with thunder bolt in his own realm ( All including Surfer at their most powerful) would trounce Surfer. And that the normal versions of each would give him a good fight, yeah!!! Citizen Steel could take their worst blows. Atom Smasher (since he can alter his density and become intangible or indestructible ) could also (or simply never be hit). No one on the Avengers has any chance of reacting to or even tagging Jay or Jesse ( both being light speeders). Damage has the ability to take out half the Avengers having accidentally blown up a city area. Avengers best chance is as Stompa stated mid rape of all non protected from TP to leave all Avengers facing those powerhouses. Even that I think still leaves them struggling as I see Fate or Alan protecting the others from teh assault once launched.

This

@Stompa: The Avengers don't have a chance. Classic Dr. Fate is basically Classic Dr. Strange.

#19 Posted by The Stegman (26561 posts) - - Show Bio

You but Dr.Fate AND Alan Scott on the same team?? seriously those two can solo this

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#20 Posted by DedmanWalkin (3006 posts) - - Show Bio

Which Earth are they fighting on?

#21 Posted by Nightcrawler23 (775 posts) - - Show Bio

My only friend says Jay Garrick solos. I have no friends, anymore.