Team JSA: Alan Scott, Classic Dr Fate, Jakeem Thunder w/ Thunderbolt, Jay Garrick, KC Superman, Obsidian
vs
Asgard
Rules
This is going to be an epic battle! Who wins, and how?
Thunderbolt solos.
Easily.
During JLA #28 - Crisis Times Five! Part One, his equally powerful(but obviously exceedingly more malevolent) counterpart LKZ immobilized The fuking Spectre(who couldn't escape without Alan Scott and Zauriel's help in another issue).
Ganthet while in concil with the rest of The Quintessence stated Thunderbolt's power "beyond calculation", and "our numerical system has no such means of describing such orders of magnitude"(that implies Guardians of the Universe applied technology, hands down some of the most advanced in the universe, that's been applied to grand ends as funneling the universe's willpower. Obviously.), then went on to elaborate that their fight would "threaten the universal grid".
Of course(LKZ) effortlessly warping reality on earth so people were turning into flame, trees, chased by ravenous mail-boxes and taxi-cabs, the buildings came to life, turning Plastic Man to stone, etc.
Standard 5th dimensional beings making the rounds, and such. Repeated mentions of "destroying everything", blah blah blah.
Anyway, the conflict was finally resolved during their multi-page clash when Billy Batson herded the global weather(clouds) into spelling out to YZ he had to say their combined names(YLZKZ), effectively merging them.
And while I'd normally tack the above as rather exclusively high showings/appearances, other stories I've seen featuring Jakeem Thunder usually exploit him as the reason Thunderbolt doesn't just pop up and fix every damn problem. Whether it be his relative inexperience and petulence, or getting dealt with before he can issue a command.
But it's hard to have it stipulated "best of their abilities" and "5-D Imp", without the match usually turning out one way.
Oh, and there's naturally the time he more or less walked over Mordru amped by Dr. Fate's power AND The Starheart(Mordru busted out when the pen was next activated, but BFRing/containing opponents in his pen isn't something I recall Jakeem doing to anyone else anyway, AND Mordru was trapped until Jakeem tried using it again, which would still count as incapacitation).
I generally favor Odin over Mordru, but I don't see him simply walking up and knocking the crap out of him(replete with a jovial grin) at standard power-levels, let alone amped two times over.
Well, in all fairness he has been referred to as such.
If you mean Mxy etc , NO. He's not an imp he's a5th dimensional djinn, different race of the dimension with greater limitations.
Well, in all fairness he has been referred to as such.
I'm curious what the limits of Thunderbolts powers are? Like, could Jakeem just say "destroy the universe"...? What could he do if Jakeem asked?
Thunderbolt solos.
Easily.
During JLA #28 - Crisis Times Five! Part One, his equally powerful(but obviously exceedingly more malevolent) counterpart LKZ immobilized The fuking Spectre(who couldn't escape without Alan Scott and Zauriel's help in another issue).
Ganthet while in concil with the rest of The Quintessence stated Thunderbolt's power "beyond calculation", and "our numerical system has no such means of describing such orders of magnitude"(that implies Guardians of the Universe applied technology, hands down some of the most advanced in the universe, that's been applied to grand ends as funneling the universe's willpower. Obviously.), then went on to elaborate that their fight would "threaten the universal grid".
Of course(LKZ) effortlessly warping reality on earth so people were turning into flame, trees, chased by ravenous mail-boxes and taxi-cabs, the buildings came to life, turning Plastic Man to stone, etc.
Standard 5th dimensional beings making the rounds, and such. Repeated mentions of "destroying everything", blah blah blah.
Anyway, the conflict was finally resolved during their multi-page clash when Billy Batson herded the global weather(clouds) into spelling out to YZ he had to say their combined names(YLZKZ), effectively merging them.
And while I'd normally tack the above as rather exclusively high showings/appearances, other stories I've seen featuring Jakeem Thunder usually exploit him as the reason Thunderbolt doesn't just pop up and fix every damn problem. Whether it be his relative inexperience and petulence, or getting dealt with before he can issue a command.
But it's hard to have it stipulated "best of their abilities" and "5-D Imp", without the match usually turning out one way.
Oh, and there's naturally the time he more or less walked over Mordru amped by Dr. Fate's power AND The Starheart(Mordru busted out when the pen was next activated, but BFRing/containing opponents in his pen isn't something I recall Jakeem doing to anyone else anyway, AND Mordru was trapped until Jakeem tried using it again, which would still count as incapacitation).
I generally favor Odin over Mordru, but I don't see him simply walking up and knocking the crap out of him(replete with a jovial grin) at standard power-levels, let alone amped two times over.
How powerful you say is Thunderbolt? I'm sure he isn't level Spectre, unless he is jobbing
@ancient_god: I would say roughly around Spectre's level(give or take, since his feats with Jakeem aren't as extensive).
The only other instance I recall Spectre facing down a 5th dimensional djinn, was Thunderbolt himself, that he quickly neutralized by having Jakeem trapped in the pen(as you can see, Spectre wasn't exactly having a fun time of it, himself).
So it was another case of Thunderbolt being undone by Jakeem taken out of the equation. Once again, not unlike the loophole of Spectre being unable to pass judgement on the soul-less; Doesn't mean they overpower him, they just circumvent having to.
Also worth repeating: Spectre got his ass slapped in stone by LKZ, who was only different from YZ in personality(power-levels shown identical). And while people could argue whether they're literally 5th dimensional imps or "djinns", they've been referenced as the former more than once. There's another(I can't find a scan of during Crisis Times Five) of Superman briefing Captain Marvel and saying "these djinn are probably incredibly powerful imps from Mr. Mxyzptlk's 5th dimsension. They share his reality-warping abilities".
And I'm sure I don't have to tell you, Spectre doesn't have the best track record against 5th-dimensional imps(djinns, whatever, you care to call them).
I'm curious what the limits of Thunderbolts powers are? Like, could Jakeem just say "destroy the universe"...? What could he do if Jakeem asked?
I see no reason he wouldn't/couldn't. LKZ left to his own devices by Triumph, was a threat to "everything"(in addition to Phantom Stranger, Ganthet, and more stating one "set free to wreck creation" and "it may be too late to prevent the two djinn entities from clashing and threatening the universal grid") . Again, Triumph didn't wish for universal destruction, or the like. "Everything" was just a potential casualty of LKZ having his fun.
And if Jakeem wished it, Thunderbolt'd have no choice but to comply. The ONLY rub being that The Thunderbolt can't kill.
Indicatively speaking, scale wouldn't be a/the issue in that regard, just regulation.
Spite asgard stomps odin or hela could solo.most and the one left will fall soon after
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