Poll Joker vs ironman (138 votes)
Joker and tony get 2 weeks of prep
Takes place around populated New York
Also, isn't joker an immortal demon now?
Joker and tony get 2 weeks of prep
Takes place around populated New York
Also, isn't joker an immortal demon now?
Iron man blows him sky high
@deathstrokesrevenge said:
And he survives it and kills tony
Funny.
@deathstrokesrevenge said:
@ondskapt666
@kgb725@noone301994
Have you been keeping up with snyders batman?
Joker and tony get 2 weeks of prep
Takes place around populated New York
^^I don't see anymore rules here^^
You do know Iron Man fights Hulk, Thor and other high tier characters? He is also smarter, faster and stronger then the Joker.
@deathstrokesrevenge said:
@ondskapt666
@kgb725@noone301994
Have you been keeping up with snyders batman?
Joker and tony get 2 weeks of prep
Takes place around populated New York
^^I don't see anymore rules here^^
You do know Iron Man fights Hulk, Thor and other high tier characters? He is also smarter, faster and stronger then the Joker.
You do know Joker poisoned Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman, Aquaman and other high tier characters in the Endgame story arc right?
If Superman can't avoid getting poisoned, neither can Ironman.
Stark becomes Joker's new servant.
Joker is unpredictable, cunning and sneaky as frig. Plus Joker Venom works on pretty much anything, even those immune to toxins.
Joker may be crazy but he has a top notch tactical mind and is rightfully among the prep gods of comicvine.
Ironman also needs specialised suits for powerhouses.
@digitalshooter9: LOL Iron Man's suit is air tight. It can't be penetrated by any gases.
Iron Man is INSIDE a suit. Unlike Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman, etc.
Iron Man literally throws a 2 week party during his prep time and when the battle starts this happens:
@deathstrokesrevenge said:
@ondskapt666
@kgb725@noone301994
Have you been keeping up with snyders batman?
Joker and tony get 2 weeks of prep
Takes place around populated New York
^^I don't see anymore rules here^^
You do know Iron Man fights Hulk, Thor and other high tier characters? He is also smarter, faster and stronger then the Joker.
You do know Joker poisoned Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman, Aquaman and other high tier characters in the Endgame story arc right?
If Superman can't avoid getting poisoned, neither can Ironman.
Stark becomes Joker's new servant.
One time feat? I don't see it happening again. Stark is also smarter then those DC characters you listed.
Joker is unpredictable, cunning and sneaky as frig. Plus Joker Venom works on pretty much anything, even those immune to toxins.
Joker may be crazy but he has a top notch tactical mind and is rightfully among the prep gods of comicvine.
Ironman also needs specialised suits for powerhouses.
Isn't Iron Man the third smartest person in the Marvel universe?
That doesn't mean he can win every time he uses prep. Especially to a man that is extremely smarter.
Low ball comment. Doesn't Batman need his gadgets? Joker needs his venom? It's apart of their character so I don't see how this has to do with anything.
Depends what you look at. In tech yes in prep and strategy no.
Einstein was smarter than a WWII general does that mean he's a better strategist.
It's standard ironman so you can't use hulk/thorbuster feats for his standard it's not really Lowballing mate.
Yes but joker has shown to be perhaps even smarter then the batman through what he has done in the new52, people don't give the joker enough credit. The man is amazing, in his universe
Depends what you look at. In tech yes in prep and strategy no.
Einstein was smarter than a WWII general does that mean he's a better strategist.
It's standard ironman so you can't use hulk/thorbuster feats for his standard it's not really Lowballing mate.
That is a very broad statement. So by that logic his fights have no strategy?
Another low ball comment. I bet Einstein would be a great military strategist. Especially with two weeks of prep.
Joker and tony get 2 weeks of prep
Takes place around populated New York
Where in the rules does it say "standard"? All it says is that they have two weeks of prep. So that means Stark is in his lab fixing and repairing and strategizing.
Stark has never dealt with anyone as insidious and unpredictable as an amply prepped Joker.
If each of them knows who they will be facing prior to their prep time, I give it to the clown. If they don't, it goes to Tony.
Yes but joker has shown to be perhaps even smarter then the batman through what he has done in the new52, people don't give the joker enough credit. The man is amazing, in his universe
I'm not knocking Joker. I actually like him a lot. He is a great character, smart and insane. I just don't see him killing, knocking out or BFR Iron Man. The rules do not state where the fight takes place as well....
@deathstrokesrevenge: so youre whole argument is that one time a clown poisoned the JL for plot reasons with one sided prep so he will automatically beat the 3rd smartest man in marvel with decades of prep feats who is also getting 2 weeks prep? you do know that ironman with no prep is insanely faster, stronger, more durable with on board AI to help him right? and even with all that his greatest power is his mind, which he gets to use for 2 weeks. also if theres no prior knowledge then tony is 100000 times more prepared to find info on joker than vice versa
First of all I never said the things about poisoning the justice league (even though he did), but the problem is that joker has faced batman, who is the prep God. And he has ran circles around him, kidnapping the entire bat family and using them against him, and he was shot by Gordon and fell into a fire but survived
@deathstrokesrevenge said:
@ondskapt666
@kgb725@noone301994
Have you been keeping up with snyders batman?
Joker and tony get 2 weeks of prep
Takes place around populated New York
^^I don't see anymore rules here^^
You do know Iron Man fights Hulk, Thor and other high tier characters? He is also smarter, faster and stronger then the Joker.
You do know Joker poisoned Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman, Aquaman and other high tier characters in the Endgame story arc right?
If Superman can't avoid getting poisoned, neither can Ironman.
Stark becomes Joker's new servant.
One time feat? I don't see it happening again. Stark is also smarter then those DC characters you listed.
Joker is unpredictable, cunning and sneaky as frig. Plus Joker Venom works on pretty much anything, even those immune to toxins.
Joker may be crazy but he has a top notch tactical mind and is rightfully among the prep gods of comicvine.
Ironman also needs specialised suits for powerhouses.
Isn't Iron Man the third smartest person in the Marvel universe?
That doesn't mean he can win every time he uses prep. Especially to a man that is extremely smarter.
Low ball comment. Doesn't Batman need his gadgets? Joker needs his venom? It's apart of their character so I don't see how this has to do with anything.
this isn't portrayed much but superman is also super smart
@deathstrokesrevenge: ok but iron man isn't batman he'll just roll up and incapacitate him near instantly with 2 weeks prep? What weapon or prep feat has he come up with that would suggest he could do more damage than a nuke? That's ironmans normal durability
I agree he is but I wouldn't put him in the top 10 in DC. Where Stark is in the top 5 in Marvel.
Before batman 37 came out I would've agreed with you but now, not so much
Iron Man is also a prep king along with Batman and John Constantine. You haven't showed me anything that shows Joker can put down a guy like him. Stark is a 100+ tonner with speed and smarts. Joker has basic H2H skills and maybe a decent pain tolerance. All it would take is one punch and I say that with confidence.
He's done something big in a day from a prison cell. Escapes me what it is though, something to do with the JLA I think.
Honestly for lols he'd probably have a deadman switch and nukes all over the city
@clownprinceofcrime1995 said:
Honestly for lols he'd probably have a deadman switch and nukes all over the city
haha I wouldn't put it pass him to do something crazy like that. You know what, that should be a new mini series!
@digitalshooter9: LOL Iron Man's suit is air tight. It can't be penetrated by any gases.
Iron Man is INSIDE a suit. Unlike Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman, etc.
Iron Man literally throws a 2 week party during his prep time and when the battle starts this happens:
Gas isn't the only way he can get the toxin in.
As you said, Stark will party during the two weeks of prep and will get intoxicated because Joker will have tampered with his drinks..
Being inside a suit won't protect Iron Man, Joker is sleazy enough to poison the JLA, he can find a way to get through Stark's suit.
@deathstrokesrevenge: No he's not in the last scence of endgame you see joker panicing while the roof caves in and when batman is going "I believe you your the pale man". and grabbing him joker panic and shouts "OK OK FINE LET ME TO THE PIT!". Then when he runs to the pit and it seals over they both die.
I think the reasons for the joker are not only that one feat of him taking down those mentioned, but the fact that he won't even have to fight stark. Yeah sure tony is smarter in tech and all, but what good is that against the joker?theres a reason this bastard was killed in injustice. It wasn't because he was your typical run of the mill super villain, he's unpredictable, he probably won't even show up directly in front of tony, he'd use pepper and rodey as part of his plan, tony would need batman level detective skills to even contend with the joker mentally, joker has taken over Gotham, proved to be too unpredictable to join the injustice gang. In a random encounter I'd say tony but damn, with prep tony won't even bother using it, he'll treat joker as another one of his rogues. Joker wouldn't try to kill tony, he'd break him first
Did I mention he stole a portion of mxyptlk's powers?
@redatom1234: so now you're just saying tony won't use the prep...? And he doesn't have 2 weeks to break him. He preps for 2 weeks without coming into contact with Tony then the battle starts in new York right after the prep ends. That's where ironman rushes at joker and hits him with a repulsor ray and wins the fight
@digitalshooter9 said:
Gas isn't the only way he can get the toxin in.
As you said, Stark will party during the two weeks of prep and will get intoxicated because Joker will have tampered with his drinks..
Being inside a suit won't protect Iron Man, Joker is sleazy enough to poison the JLA, he can find a way to get through Stark's suit.
Ummm... Yes it is? Mists can't get in or out of Stark's suits. I proved that.
If they can interfere or attack each other while 'prepping' then Iron Man will simply grab his suit, find Joker, and then blow his head off while Joker is creating poisons and then be back in time before his guests even arrive for the party.
That's nothing but speculation. The Justice League had no suits that could block gases from reaching their lungs. Iron Man does. Stop fanwanking with terrible ABC logic. This isn't a matter of Justice League > Iron Man. No, Iron Man can't be harmed or affected by Joker's poison. Period. The Justice League could because their noses and mouths weren't covered from the gas like Iron Man's would be.
Gas isn't the only way he can get the toxin in.
How? Show me scans showing Joker can penetrate Starks suits when it was already proven he couldn't.
As you said, Stark will party during the two weeks of prep and will get intoxicated because Joker will have tampered with his drinks..
How can he temper with the drinks when they have two weeks of prep at the same time?
Being inside a suit won't protect Iron Man, Joker is sleazy enough to poison the JLA, he can find a way to get through Stark's suit.
Keep reaching. How will he get passed one of his suits? When it was already proven that mists, gasses and toxins cannot reach inside his suit.
@redatom1234 said:
he won't even have to fight stark.
How will he win then? Blowing up NY? @noone301994 Show that scan with Doc Oc please. That scans reminds me of Joker so much.
Yeah sure tony is smarter in tech and all, but what good is that against the joker?
Batman uses tech / gadgets to beat him, Stark is Batman with tech / gadgets on steroids.
theres a reason this bastard was killed in injustice.
Superman killed him, Iron Man can too. Shit, even Batman without his suit can kill Joker.
tony would need batman level detective skills to even contend with the joker mentally
Now people need Batman's level of detective skills to contend with the Joker?
Did I mention he stole a portion of mxyptlk's powers?
Stole? Does he still have them and which powers? Scans!
Gas isn't the only way he can get the toxin in.
How? Show me scans showing Joker can penetrate Starks suits when it was already proven he couldn't.
As you said, Stark will party during the two weeks of prep and will get intoxicated because Joker will have tampered with his drinks..
How can he temper with the drinks when they have two weeks of prep at the same time?
Being inside a suit won't protect Iron Man, Joker is sleazy enough to poison the JLA, he can find a way to get through Stark's suit.
Keep reaching. How will he get passed one of his suits? When it was already proven that mists, gasses and toxins cannot reach inside his suit.
@redatom1234 said:
he won't even have to fight stark.
How will he win then? Blowing up NY? @noone301994 Show that scan with Doc Oc please. That scans reminds me of Joker so much.
----------------doctor octopus is not the joker, blowing up NY is not what I said, stop twisting my words and being a dick about it, I was only just trying to throw an opinion out there.
Yeah sure tony is smarter in tech and all, but what good is that against the joker?
Batman uses tech / gadgets to beat him, Stark is Batman with tech / gadgets on steroids.
---------------- your one fatal flaw is that batman knows who the joker is, stark doesn't. tech is no good against someone who can dance around it with his own prep time and unpredictability
theres a reason this bastard was killed in injustice.
Superman killed him, Iron Man can too. Shit, even Batman without his suit can kill Joker.
-----------------a lot of people can kill the joker, prep time just makes it harder
tony would need batman level detective skills to even contend with the joker mentally
Now people need Batman's level of detective skills to contend with the Joker?
----------------with prep and against a character who has the slight possibility of underestimating him?...yeah, kinda
Did I mention he stole a portion of mxyptlk's powers?
Stole? Does he still have them and which powers? Scans!
----------------no he does not sill have them, it was just to throw something in there, I think it was something from "emperor joker"
@redatom1234: so now you're just saying tony won't use the prep...?
if he underestimates joker(which a lot of people do) then yeah, he might not use the prep, but I never said he definitely wont.
And he doesn't have 2 weeks to break him. He preps for 2 weeks without coming into contact with Tony then the battle starts in new York right after the prep ends.
exactly, that's what I meant. in those 2 weeks, whos to say the plan joker concocts wouldn't be an elaborate one that stark would need time to get around?
That's where ironman rushes at joker and hits him with a repulsor ray and wins the fight
if it was a random encounter, however prep may give joker a slight chance.
Joker's feat against the JLA is invalid since he already had abundant information on the team, while the team had no prep and no clue he was going to strike. More importantly, THEY DIDN'T HAVE AIR-TIGHT MASKS.
Tony has both.
Iron Man 10/10
Mini series entitled: Where's the Nuke Tony?
LOL.
A DC / Marvel 6 issue crossover where Tony saves millions and kills the Joker :-P
@digitalshooter9 said:
Ummm... Yes it is? Mists can't get in or out of Stark's suits. I proved that.
I don't think you're getting the point, the Joker poison isn't only used as a gas. He can use it by mixing it into liquids or even as contact poison. The venom is versatile and can be used in many different ways. The fact that the suit books gases or mists does not mean Tony is fully protected from getting poisoned. Not to mention the fact that Joker will likely poison him while he is outside his suit.
If they can interfere or attack each other while 'prepping' then Iron Man will simply grab his suit, find Joker, and then blow his head off while Joker is creating poisons and then be back in time before his guests even arrive for the party.
He can't find the Joker. Batman has trouble locating the guy (it's usually the Joker who finds him), and he obviously surpasses Ironman in detective prowess. A more likely scenario is the Joker breaking into Stark's armory and tampering with his suits. Perhaps dropping some contact poison in his suits or something. And I can assure you he can do that. He broke into the Batcave in the N52 and no one was able to figure out how.
Joker is witty, way wittier than Stark and unlike the him Stark's location is pretty much open to everyone as his identity is public.
That's nothing but speculation. The Justice League had no suits that could block gases from reaching their lungs.
Really? Superman, Wonder Woman and Flash are all characters that can lol stomp Ironman on any day of the week. They don't even need the suits. Superman's lung capacity is tremendous. Flash has a super speedy metabolism and Wonder Woman has overcome mind control on massive levels. Yet none of them could prevent the Joker from outwitting them. You think Stark's suits can protect him from someone that can reach the heavy hitters of the Justice League? Besides it's not even clear if the Joker gassed the league. He gassed the city but no one knows how exactly he poisoned the league. The point is he did it and can do it to someone way weaker like IM.
Iron Man does.
Won't protect him. He is still human, a rather ignorant one and does spend time outside his suit. Joker is too cunning for him.
Stop fanwanking with terrible ABC logic.
Ironic coming from the greatest Iron Man fanboy on the vine.
This isn't a matter of Justice League > Iron Man. No, Iron Man can't be harmed or affected by Joker's poison.
This makes no sense. The heavy hitters of the League couldn't resist getting harmed by it. Neither can Stark. Stop wanking Iron Man so much.
Period.
The Justice League could because their noses and mouths weren't covered from the gas like Iron Man's would be.
Because the league has never overcame gas attacks before right? This is funny. Superman could have literally used his super breath to blow the gas out of his proximity, but he ended up getting poisoned. There is no proof how it happened, but Joker managed to poison everyone.
The fact that you think having a nose and mouth actually matters here is hilarious. Gas isn't the only way the poison could be delivered and the fact that Joker is an extremely cunning guy means he will outfit and poison Stark.
God. That JL poison is a dumb feat. Joker wank.
(looks at username)
Lmfao
It happened in canon continuity. Sorry about it. But it is relevant regardless of your opinion.
@redatom1234 said:
----------------doctor octopus is not the joker, blowing up NY is not what I said, stop twisting my words and being a dick about it, I was only just trying to throw an opinion out there.
++++++++++Now I'm a dick? If you cannot handle a simple debate then maybe you shouldn't be on the battle boards. Don't ever personally attack me again. Get a hold of your emotions.
---------------- your one fatal flaw is that batman knows who the joker is, stark doesn't. tech is no good against someone who can dance around it with his own prep time and unpredictability
+++++++++Good luck dancing around missiles, lasers and mach speeds.
----------------with prep and against a character who has the slight possibility of underestimating him?...yeah, kinda
++++++++++More reaching.
Pffft nah. Joker gets bored and blows up the city!
I could see that happening too lol
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