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#1 Edited by Joygirl (19951 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker

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Oliver Queen, AKA Green Arrow

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Note: This is mainstream comics Oliver Queen, not Ollie from the show "Arrow". I used that image because of the cool parallel. Similarly, this is mainstream Joker, not Arkham Asylum Joker.

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- No prep

- In character

- Fight takes place in a UFC Octagon -- but is not under UFC rules.

- Joker gets purple trunks with green polka dots. No other gear or tricks.

- Ollie gets streamlined green trunks with a black arrow pattern across the groin. No bow, no arrows, no other gear.

- Cheating is allowed and encouraged

- Fight goes for nine rounds. If there is not a knockout or submission within this time, it goes to decision.

- The judges are Bane, Talia al Ghul, Jason Todd, Roy Harper, Cassandra Cain, Thomas Elliot, and Harper Row. They have been encouraged to be fair in their assessment of the match.

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#2 Posted by Cgoodness (5972 posts) - - Show Bio

No weapons for Green arrow? Probably Joker because of his unpredictable fighting style, near immunity of pain, and just cheating

#4 Posted by Dextersinister (6502 posts) - - Show Bio

Stomp in GAs favour, Joker may get a dig in because he's got main character durability but so has Ollie who is faster,stronger and a much better fighter.

Unpredictability won't be a factor unless the Joker sprouts an extra limb, otherwise what can he actually do to make a difference? groin kick? biting?

#5 Posted by Joygirl (19951 posts) - - Show Bio

What can he actually do to make a difference? groin kick? biting?

Yes. Also he can continuously gab to throw Ollie off his game. He is also underrated in combat -- he has caught Batman with headbutts, punked Ra's al Ghul before he or Talia could react, killed dozens of League of Assassins ninjas while unarmed and in a straitjacket, killed Jason Todd, managed to go hand-to-hand with Aquaman for a short time (before getting taken out)... he's not at all featless. He also has toxic blood so if Ollie gets a bleed on him, who knows how it may affect the match.

#6 Posted by Dextersinister (6502 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl: How many has he won? If he was good in a fight he would have some decent wins against h2h's instead of moments where he wasn't instantly knocked out or was able to get a sucker punch.

Even the example against Lex Luthor that people sometimes use wouldn't hold up to the match rules as Lex had the upper hand until the Joker used an acid flower.

#7 Posted by Joygirl (19951 posts) - - Show Bio

@dextersinister: I didn't use the example with Lex. :P The ones I mentioned he was entirely unarmed (or at least didn't use any sort of weapon). Like a lot of characters he does fluctuate, I admit that. He goes from losing to normally-skilled combatants to annihilating bona fide badasses (such as Ra's).

#8 Posted by OhItsThatGuy (791 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker. The New 52 Joker is toxic, and was able to knock out Batman from being a Bio-Hazard.

#10 Posted by Joygirl (19951 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

#11 Posted by johnny_blaze (1023 posts) - - Show Bio

The Joker isn't a fighter.

#12 Posted by Joygirl (19951 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

#13 Posted by SheenLantern (6895 posts) - - Show Bio

Green Arrow.

Even without his bow fighting style, his stats are still higher than Joker's.

#14 Edited by Joygirl (19951 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

#15 Posted by dondave (38891 posts) - - Show Bio

Arrow

#16 Posted by Joygirl (19951 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

#17 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (7039 posts) - - Show Bio

Arrow

#18 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

Joker fanboys (and girls) are quite annoying. Who the hell cares that he's "crazy" and "unpredictable"? Ollie's a better fighter, period. And he wins this match, period. Stop pretending Joker has any chance in a hand-to-hand fight against Ollie or anyone around (and even below) his level.

#19 Posted by beatboks1 (7522 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not up on Nu52 Ollie, but pre flashpoint would take this easily.

  1. Ollie's not averse to killing, he done it several times and in fact spent years using only normal arrow shafts for that very reason
  2. After his training by Natas he's well up their in H2H skill
  3. Even before that training he'd matched and stalemated Slade Wilson ( who's better than bat's and everyone mentioned that Joker has fought) and plenty more.
  4. HIs Son Conner has matched Shiva and he's beaten fighters Conner lost to because he's more of a hard knosed fighter.
#20 Posted by RBT (4751 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Red_Viper: "Who the hell cares that he's "crazy" and "unpredictable"?" Joker was giving Batgirl trouble. And Batgirl is way way and let's add one more way better than Oliver Queen.

#21 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: which is exactly why it's PIS, like most of Joker's other so-called h2h feats.

#22 Edited by Zhege (91 posts) - - Show Bio

Oliver Queen

#23 Posted by RBT (4751 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Red_Viper: Umm...no. It was not PIS. Joker has always been like that. He once took down a room full of guys with AK47 and bats ALONE. So, no Oliver is not wining this.

#24 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: That's... not how PIS works. Batgirl is by all means superior to Joker, and him giving her a hard time just doesn't make any sense since he's never shown any level of pure h2h skill. He's not even a martial artist. And it's funny how you ignore everything Ollie's ever done.

#25 Edited by MonsterStomp (20341 posts) - - Show Bio

Green Arrow. Arkham Joker didn't really impress me with his hand to hand feats.

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#26 Posted by Deranged Midget (17965 posts) - - Show Bio

Green Arrow. Arkham Joker didn't really impress me with his hand to hand feats.

YO DAWG, gots to read dem OP's!

Note: This is mainstream comics Oliver Queen, not Ollie from the show "Arrow". I used that image because of the cool parallel. Similarly, this is mainstream Joker, not Arkham Asylum Joker.

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#27 Posted by RBT (4751 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Red_Viper: I know how PIS works. The reason he's able to give Batgirl trouble because she reads her opponents. Joker is way too unpredictible. Batgirl, who has read Bruce's move was clueless against him. He fights dirty AND is unpredictible. This is a dangerous mix. When you swing a punch at someone, you expect them to dodge. Joker would probably take the blow full on his mouht just so he can knee you in groin or gut.

#28 Posted by MonsterStomp (20341 posts) - - Show Bio

@monsterstomp said:

Green Arrow. Arkham Joker didn't really impress me with his hand to hand feats.

YO DAWG, gots to read dem OP's!

Note: This is mainstream comics Oliver Queen, not Ollie from the show "Arrow". I used that image because of the cool parallel. Similarly, this is mainstream Joker, not Arkham Asylum Joker.

Aw maaaaaaaaan! This happens EVERY time!

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#29 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: And what makes you think he would stand his ground after a blow from Ollie? He fights on even terms and even beats guys like Batman, Red Hood, Deathstroke, Natas etc. He's way too strong and skilled for Joker. Even if Joker does tag him, he's not the guy to drop after 1 blow. There's just nothing Joker has on him in this fight, especially when they have no access to weapons and such.

#30 Posted by i_like_swords (17395 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

@The_Red_Viper: I know how PIS works. The reason he's able to give Batgirl trouble because she reads her opponents. Joker is way too unpredictible. Batgirl, who has read Bruce's move was clueless against him. He fights dirty AND is unpredictible. This is a dangerous mix. When you swing a punch at someone, you expect them to dodge. Joker would probably take the blow full on his mouht just so he can knee you in groin or gut.

Like how Deadpool overwhelmed Taskmaster's move copying? Yeah still doesn't mean he's great at hand-to-hand. Just because you can capitalize on someone move reading/copying because you're "crazy" doesn't mean you can do it to any noteworthy fighter. Batgirl probably would have beaten him if she didn't move read.

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#31 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

@i_like_swords: Wait, we're talking about Cassie? How the F did Joker give her trouble?

#32 Posted by RogueShadow (11899 posts) - - Show Bio

The Joker definitely loses, all the times I've seen him get hits in it was PIS. He's not an underrated h2h fighter. GA is a legitimately highly skilled fighter on tier 2 or 3.

#33 Posted by BigCimmerian (8837 posts) - - Show Bio

Green Arrow roflstomps.

#34 Posted by Joygirl (19951 posts) - - Show Bio

*grabs popcorn bucket* Joker also beat Nightwing unarmed. *munchmunch*

#35 Posted by _Atomikill_ (4340 posts) - - Show Bio

A LOT of people doubt Jokers abilities as a fighter. He wins, definitely, and most likely will cheat WAAAAAY more than Ollie. Joker is very agile and surprisingly strong even without his equipment. Oliver did not necessarily learn martial arts or anything when he was stranded on his island- he learned how to shoot a bow and arrow. The rest of his fighting techniques either use the bow or are simple blows. Then again if he doesn't knock him out before the end the judges may go for Ollie, since he didn't cheat as much... But other than that, Joke's on you, Robin Hood...

#36 Posted by Bronze_Surfer (2986 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm pretty sure this is spite

#37 Posted by BigCimmerian (8837 posts) - - Show Bio

A LOT of people doubt Jokers abilities as a fighter. He wins, definitely, and most likely will cheat WAAAAAY more than Ollie. Joker is very agile and surprisingly strong even without his equipment. Oliver did not necessarily learn martial arts or anything when he was stranded on his island- he learned how to shoot a bow and arrow. The rest of his fighting techniques either use the bow or are simple blows. Then again if he doesn't knock him out before the end the judges may go for Ollie, since he didn't cheat as much... But other than that, Joke's on you, Robin Hood...

Green Arrow annihilates this moron under 15 seconds.

#38 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl said:

*grabs popcorn bucket* Joker also beat Nightwing unarmed. *munchmunch*

You can keep on mentioning fights that clearly involved heavy PIS in Joker's favor, that's not going to make any claim in Joker's favor any more legit.

#39 Posted by _Atomikill_ (4340 posts) - - Show Bio

@bigcimmerian: Well are you just going to sit around and say no or are you going to give me proof?

#40 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

@gularte2000: The "proof" is that all of Joker's h2h feats are PIS, almost as bad as Deadpool killing Thor. On the other hand, Oliver is actually a trained, experienced fighter who's shown to be able to go toe to toe and even beat the likes of Deathstroke, Red Hood, Natas and more. Joker simply doesn't have the training, experience, skill, speed or strength to match Ollie in hand to hand combat. Joker would get torn asunder in this fight and you guys throwing around PIS feats certainly isn't helping him. There simply is NO WAY Joker's gonna win this fight.

#41 Posted by BigCimmerian (8837 posts) - - Show Bio
#42 Posted by DireDrill (2447 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_red_viper: You are probably suffering from a misunderstanding of how the Joker works. When Batman is around, the Joker plays to lose. He plans out elaborate ridiculous plots that create situations where Batman's hands will be around his neck because ultimately the Joker wants Batman to kill him. You essentially have to completely discount every fight involving Batman and only use his fights with other people as a gauge of what the Joker is capable of. So when we look at all these fights where he is straight up taking down high end fighters who are not Batman with H2H alone, that is the fighting level that the Joker is really at. In every situation where Batman is present, his CIS comes into play and he purposefully loses so it is not something that we can really use to gauge his fighting ability. So, you actually have it backward, every fight but those fights he loses to Batman are actually CIS.

At this point, you will probably simply say that I am full of crap but something can't be PIS if it happens consistently.

Green Arrow doesn't study his foes, he won't know about the Joker's Toxic Blood. The Joker will willingly take punches to the face just so that he will bleed. At that point, it is over because then the Joker can simply catch him with a scratch and net a win. Joker Venom will leave Ollie laughing himself to death.

#43 Edited by Pr0metheus (5467 posts) - - Show Bio

GA

#44 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

@diredrill: So you're saying Joker is on the same level of skill as people like Nightwing and Cassandra Cain, who punched a man's head through a wooden floor once (which means one blow from her should give a man a minor concussion at least)? This is just rediculous, pardon me. Ollie doesn't have to "study his foe" he knows who Joker is. He's been around for a few decades now, he had the chance to know him. And Joker allowing himself to get a full force punch to the face from Oliver is just stupid as he'd get knocked out and lose the fight. Your logic is simply not working here.

Clearly, you don't know how PIS works. When people like Cassandra Cain, who is arguably in DC's top 5 hand to hand combatants, has trouble against Joker who's not even top 20, that's PIS, no matter how many times it happens. PIS is when a character "foregets" it can win a fight for the sake of plot. Joker's lost to people like Bane for example many times, so how the hell can he give Cass trouble? Or Nightwing? It doesn't make sense, therefore it's PIS. Joker has no skill. He was never trained in any form of combat. The most advanced move I've ever seen him pulling without PIS being involved it kicking Harvey Dent in the jimmies in The Long Halloween, not to mention Harvey returned the favor in Dark Victory. Joker is a brawler, not a martial artist. It's like in that depowered Wonder Woman VS depowered Thor h2h thread. Why do everyone (including yours truly) back up Diana? Simply because she has skill, rather than brute strength.

#45 Posted by KingAres109 (1327 posts) - - Show Bio

GA Stomps!!

#46 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

A LOT of people doubt Jokers abilities as a fighter. He wins, definitely, and most likely will cheat WAAAAAY more than Ollie. Joker is very agile and surprisingly strong even without his equipment. Oliver did not necessarily learn martial arts or anything when he was stranded on his island- he learned how to shoot a bow and arrow. The rest of his fighting techniques either use the bow or are simple blows. Then again if he doesn't knock him out before the end the judges may go for Ollie, since he didn't cheat as much... But other than that, Joke's on you, Robin Hood...

Wow, I only read this comment now.

You really don't know ANYTHING on GA, do you?

He was trained by Natas, the man who taught Deathstroke (and I quote) "almost everything he knows":

THIS is not "simple blows":

#47 Posted by Cable_Extreme (9770 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: And what makes you think he would stand his ground after a blow from Ollie? He fights on even terms and even beats guys like Batman, Red Hood, Deathstroke, Natas etc. He's way too strong and skilled for Joker. Even if Joker does tag him, he's not the guy to drop after 1 blow. There's just nothing Joker has on him in this fight, especially when they have no access to weapons and such.

Green Arrow doesn't consistently beat Deathstroke, nor is he on even terms in stats.

#48 Edited by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: Never said they were on even terms in stats. But Oliver DID beat him and gave him a hard time more than once. They were trained by the same guy, after all.

#49 Posted by Cable_Extreme (9770 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: Never said they were on even terms in stats. But Oliver DID beat him and gave him a hard time more than once. They were trained by the same guy, after all.

That is correct but don't forget that Deathstroke has won more than once. "He fights on even terms and even beats guys like Batman, Red Hood, Deathstroke, Natas etc" is a kind of misleading statement. Fighting on even terms could mean a lot of things, like stats, skill, ect. While Green Arrow I think wins this fight, I do not quite agree with that statement. Skill wise, he could be on even terms but much more factors come into play such as speed, strength armor, weapons ect... If we look at consistency, you will see that he isn't quite on even terms when versing deathstroke due to a more consistent loss ratio. But you're right about the outcome of this fight.

#50 Edited by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: I'm not saying he's consistantly beating Slade. Slade is better than him in almost every aspect. Skill-wise, I believe GA and Slade are pretty much equals (I'm not sure but I think Slade once said he only beats Batman because of his enhanced physicals).

You're right about this being kind of a misleading statement and you'll have to forgive me for that, but I think you catch my drift here.