Joker vs Darkseid (Who's more evil)

#1 Posted by rolldestroyer (2512 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

so who's more evil the clown prince of crime or the god of evil?

#2 Edited by Nightflash (708 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@rolldestroyer: This isnt a battle just a comparison. You cant measure evil and they're very different. Joker is insane evil while Darkseid is conqueror like.

#3 Posted by Kal'smahboi (2771 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Darkseid. Joker's usually trying to make a point, or playing out his obsession with Batman. Darkseid is evil. He just is. He plays out the darker side (pun intended) of the universe, trying to take choice and autonomy from life.

#4 Posted by TERMINATORFAN (1250 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

I'm going with Joker. He's pretty much done every evil thing in the book.

#5 Edited by JackKnight (1222 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

I'd say Darkseid is more evil but there still both very evil.

#6 Posted by Decoy Elite (28581 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Not a battle.

And Darkseid is far more evil, he is the god of of evil.

#7 Edited by dondave (7554 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Darkseid, Joker isn't really evil, he's just insane

#8 Posted by Batman242 (2042 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@dondave said:

Darkseid, Joker isn't really evil, he's just insane

QFT

#9 Edited by Omnicrono (220 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Even though it's not a battle, I think you've made a great comparison for debate here. Both are pretty darned evil... so it's hard to say definitively. And I don't know that I would go so far as to say Darkseid is the manifestation of evil itself. There are instances where the case could be made that he is, but I am of the opinion that he is not. He didn't start out as being pure evil... he was simply a god from Apokolips who sought power above all else and steadily became more and more corrupted as he grew in power and did evil things.

#10 Posted by Nefarious (16249 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Darkseid is the epitome of evil.

#11 Posted by Dextersinister (2907 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@dondave said:

Darkseid, Joker isn't really evil, he's just insane

The Specter saying that the Joker is not responsible for his action's cheapen's the character.

#12 Posted by heroesgold (320 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Darkseid, he's kinda like Hitler, while Joker is one of those guys who kill, but can't help themselves cause they lost their rights as people in the public or something else like that. Darkseid is full evil doesn't want to prove a point just does it for the hell of it. Joker on the other hand is the opposite.

#13 Posted by DireDrill (577 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Spectre says that the Joker isn't evil so thus this Darkseid in a major stomp.

While this may not be a battle, it is also a spite thread which is also against the rules.

#14 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (5941 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@rolldestroyer said:

so who's more evil the clown prince of crime or the god of evil?

Make Sure It Is a Battle

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#15 Posted by NeonGameWave (5107 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Darkseid.

#16 Posted by KingAres109 (243 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@heroesgold: I back this as thats who Kirby was trying to compare him to.Plus Joker only does that to get batman attention and spite him while Darkseid is evil because thats who he is.

#17 Posted by BlueHope (348 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Joker. Darkseid kills if is necessary, Joker kill for fun

#18 Posted by comicace3 (1481 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

His name is Darkseid for a reason peeps! But joker creeps that sh*t outta me.

#19 Posted by Floopay (5622 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Joker. He does things for the sake of evil, because he's evil. He knows he's evil, and has no delusions about any of his actions. He seeks to be evil, and will always try to be the bane of all things good.

Darkseid may be self-serving, but he's also for Apokolips. What he does isn't for the sake of being evil, he does it for other reasons.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#20 Edited by BlackWind (2065 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Darkseid is the god of tyrrany and anti life, not evil. Evil for the sake of evil or even pleasure would be considered petty wastes of time by him.

And Darkseid would think Joker no better than Desaad.

#21 Posted by DireDrill (577 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@Floopay said:

Joker. He does things for the sake of evil, because he's evil. He knows he's evil, and has no delusions about any of his actions. He seeks to be evil, and will always try to be the bane of all things good.

Darkseid may be self-serving, but he's also for Apokolips. What he does isn't for the sake of being evil, he does it for other reasons.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

This is outright wrong.

Darkseid was willing to plunge Multiverse into darkness despite having no Apokolips to protect. Darkseid will forever be the most evil person in DC universe.

The Joker only seeks to take down Batman. Everything he does is all a means to this end. Good and evil literally mean nothing to him as they are concepts outside of his understanding. There is only Batman and not Batman. Also, the Spectre himself can't touch him, so he is in canon, completely not evil.

#22 Posted by THORSON (888 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

darkseid.

joker is only a criminal in 1 city.

darkseid can destroy planet earth.

#23 Posted by oppagangnamstyle19 (94 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Probably Darkseid. Joker.... just has mental issues. Joker : Oh, you. You just couldn't let me go, could you? This is what happens when an unstoppable force...meets an immovable object. You truly are incorruptible, aren't you? Huh? You won't kill me...out of some misplaced sense of self-righteousness. And I won't kill you...because you're just too much fun. I think you and I are destined to do this forever.

#24 Posted by FiMFTW (687 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@THORSON: Joker would do that if he could.

#25 Posted by Dextersinister (2907 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

#26 Posted by FiMFTW (687 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@Dextersinister: I know Darkseid is more evil, I was just sayin'.

#27 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (2620 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Darkseid an Joker are 2 very different kinds of evil. Overall I would say Darkseid.

#28 Posted by Batman242 (2042 posts) - 2 months, 19 days ago - Show Bio

Batman

#29 Posted by Rumble Man (11119 posts) - 2 months, 19 days ago - Show Bio

Joker

Last time I heard nobody ever killed a bunch of people saying 'im darkseid'

Colorado man

thats ....

effd up

#30 Posted by SHAZAM117 (1183 posts) - 2 months, 19 days ago - Show Bio

Personally, I've never thought of Joker as evil. He's just "bat-sh*t" crazy.

#31 Posted by KINGJAMES447 (1202 posts) - 2 months, 19 days ago - Show Bio

darkseid technically joker i not evil he just so insane that he can't tell between whats good or bad thats why spectre couldn't judge him

#32 Posted by nickzambuto (7809 posts) - 2 months, 19 days ago - Show Bio

Joker isn't evil, he's apathetic. He does whatever he wants when he wants because he doesn't see any reason not to. He tends to do more "bad" things than "good" things for two reasons: 1. the idea of death is entertaining to him, he finds the very idea that someone could care so much about their own meaningless life to be hilarious. And 2. To get Batman's attention.

#33 Posted by Ferdelance (2318 posts) - 2 months, 19 days ago - Show Bio

Darkdeid, Joker is just a crazy.

#34 Posted by stevon (1024 posts) - 2 months, 19 days ago - Show Bio

It might depend on which version of Darkseid and the Joker are being used. Jack Kirby's Darkseid had a few quirks that made him considerably noble, or at least he had pretentions of nobility.

He wouldn't kill children*, for example, or needlessly hurt anybody, and constantly noted that he was not amused by mere cruelty, berating Desaad's actions. He also said it would pain him to hurt the Forever People. He also cared about his son Orion and what happened to him, at least until he had his men shoot him in a suprise attack. He also initially seemed reluctant to bomd New Genesis with plagues. I'll agree that Darkseid as the decades passed became more and more evil until becoming one of the most evil beings in comics but he wasn't always that way (he was just pretty evil, not pure evil).

I'll agree that overall, Darkseid is far more evil than the Joker based on his forty + year history.

(I'll admit he may not like killing/torture solely because he'd rather have as many healthy bodies as possible for his despair filled mind slaves once he gains the ALE, but I dunno)

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