Johnny Cage and Sub-Zero VS Iron Fist and Iceman
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Iron Fist and Iceman
vs
Liu Kang and Sub-Zero (lol Bat sub zero)
Fight takes place in Battle World no BFR and no annoying battle ending when no one wins.
More exact it's Liu vs Iron Fist and Iceman vs Sub-zero
Allowed to use any powers
Fight is to the KO or death
Let the fight begin
I would think that Iceman could solo this. I would also think that IF would stomp Johnny Cage. I'm not sure if IF could take Sub-Zero but I think he would.
" Liu Kang would win this. Added Sub-Zero is just overkill "No. Iceman freezes Liu Kang in the atomic level and let's Iron Fist deal with Sub Zero.
Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking. Just not sure if Sub Zero is fast enough with his powers. I don't know quite enough about him.
Team Two... IF>>>Johnny.... Bobby has better Ice Power's than Sub's... IDK about this one however... If Bobby can't freeze Sub Zero, Sub is going to kick his ass... IF would have a hard time fighting both Johnny and Sub Zero.
without Johnny team 1 loses badly.
Personally i think both from team 1 could take IF, Kang can turn into a dragon and summon arcade platform from above.
But Iceman will stomp them.
with Johnny as a reality warper the fight would be more balanced
Bobby's powers make him immune to damage and capable of flash freezing people. Subzero will not survive a confrontation with Iceman.
http://mortalkombat.wikia.com/wiki/Sub-Zero#Powers_and_abilities
Plus, Raiden himself even stated "he's more powerful then his brother on a few occassions"
@DedmanWalkin said:
"Bobby's powers make him immune to damage and capable of flash freezing people. Subzero will not survive a confrontation with Iceman. "
Yes he would, lol Sub-Zero's the SAME thing as Iceman, he can control the moleculuar levels of his body temperature to pure ice or liquid...thus Sub-Zero would be immune to it...so yes he would survive it, the whole concept of both is pointless in terms of power, H2H Sub would wipe the floor with him....
It's also obvious nobody on here knows that Liu Kang has defeated Century old sorcerers with more knowledge then him, Shao Kahn in MK( a near God) and creatures like Goro far stronger then him as well or the fact that he can morph into a Dragon...he'd eat Iron Fist lol....
Nobody's soloing this match....
There is no one who can solo this fight, Liu Kang can beat IF and Sub zero can beat, or at least dominate Bobby
^^Knows nothing about Iron Fist or Iceman.^^ "yeah, i don't know much about IF. I know Iceman better.
But you also know nothing about Liu or Sub Zero.
Liu can morph into a dragon and can summon arcades from the sky, has badass h2h and can shoot fireballs.
either character from MK can be hurt from mortals i believe? So if Iron Fist doesnt put one of them down Iceman imo will do the job..
@erik said:
" @--Anubis--:
Iron Fist killed a dragon. Iceman cannot be beaten by either of these characters.
@MKF30: True. But just because I am not a MK expert, does not mean I do not have at least a rudimentary or passable knowledge of them. "
Not saying anyone has to be experts but those who think Iceman solos are sadly mistaken, they fail to realize Sub-Zero for one has taken out hordes of mutants(baraka's people in tarkatans) and that his Dragon Medallion amplifies his abilities and that he can do anything Iceman can do....in fact, fighting skills wise he's even better then Iceman ever was...
And Liu Kang for the record has defeated century old sorcerers with powers surpassing his, emperors(Shao Kahn) in Mortal Kombat and is one MK's best fighters, I understand Iron Fist is one of Marvel's best as well which is why this wouldn't be a stomp in anyone's favor.
Sub vs. Iceman=pointless, unless it's H2H
Liu Kang vs. IF, tough to say...but Liu Kang can morph into a dragon as it's apart of his abilities....
Too many people just posting "this guy solos" are ignorant to these facts no doubt...not saying you just a lot of posters in here.
@erik said:
I just don't see IF solo, Liu and sub zero are the elite of MK. Their h2h is on par with IF's, and since he has no knowledge of them i see him run into an ice clone or an icy counter. Then it ends for thim." @--Anubis--:
Iron Fist killed a dragon. Iceman cannot be beaten by either of these characters.
Bobby could solo though
Sub-Zero cannot do everything Iceman can do. If that were true, he would never lose. In fact, if he could do what Iceman can currently do, he would kill everyone he faced. From what I understand, in the canon of the series, that is not the case.
Iron Fist has done all this stuff only I can say with almost 100% certainty that he has more feats doing this than Liu Kang does. He probably has more feats of doing these things with relative ease than Liu Kang does as well.
Subzero is still a mortal being with mortal blood running through his mortal veins. Bobby can freeze that blade and leave him completely unable to move much less think. Iceman is an omega-level mutant which puts him on the level of X-man and Jean Grey both people who could solo most of the MK universe. There are very few people who could beat a non-jobbing Iceman.
Plus, the elder sub-zero has defeated gods, far more powerful creatures and characters then himself....
Read Sub's wiki, he can do anything he can think of with freezing ability, even alter his molecular structure to be a puddle or solid or clone himself as well as create anything out of Ice like Iceman can do...
http://mortalkombat.wikia.com/wiki/Sub-Zero
DedmanWalkin, Iceman has blood too and Sub can easily do the same to Iceman, thus it's a pointless battle...Sub-Zero is one of MKU's most powerful characters, a natural species of cyromancers, thus more powerful then a normal human much like Bobby is a powerful mutant above a normal human as well...
And Jean wouldn't solo the MKU, there are gods that can't die and the Elder Gods can't be destroyed....they'd kill everyone in X-men if they wanted but they're on a far higher plane of existence...so no need to bring up other characters...
There's tons of people who can beat Iceman and Sub-Zero, but again, both are the same.
@Sherlock said:
" @MKF30: Iceman in his ice form is pretty much indestructible not to mention that he controls thermal energy on a molecular level and is capable of freezing the entire planet um yeah he solos "
Sub-Zero can do the same, when he makes his body solid....he just doesn't do it often but he's done it and can instantly make clones of himself, form ice weapons and also control the molecules around him. Read the link I posted, his wiki will tell you. It's canon, believe me....sometimes I know wiki is bs but that's accurate, I checked.
Sub-Zero and Iceman are the same concept, just implemented differently...and totally different storylines and backgrounds...
Ummmm.... I never said anything about killing.
Nothing you explained is evidence that Sub-Zero is on Iceman's level.
Furthermore, Iceman does not have blood while in his ice form. If Sub-Zero's body is completely destroyed, can he make another one?
Being told by a thunder god that you are powerful is nice but it is not indicative of Iceman level abilities especially when Raiden is not the end-all of anything anyway.
@erik said:
" @MKF30: Sub-Zero cannot do everything Iceman can do. If that were true, he would never lose. In fact, if he could do what Iceman can currently do, he would kill everyone he faced. From what I understand, in the canon of the series, that is not the case. Iron Fist has done all this stuff only I can say with almost 100% certainty that he has more feats doing this than Liu Kang does. He probably has more feats of doing these things with relative ease than Liu Kang does as well. "
Yes, with your previous post ^.You said that Sub-Zero never kills and would always win earlier here ^ and not sure what you mean by canon of the series but his stories are canon for the most part outside of a few games... I'm saying Sub is more then capable of killing but chooses not too because he's good...it doesn't mean he's never killed or can't..he can, but he's not evil like his brother (the original Sub-Zero now Noob-Saibot)
Also one reason why I can't stand comic book characters vs. video game ones is because this site goes by "number of feats" half the time rather then logical knowledge of the character and what he/she is capable of....
Naturally Iceman and IF will have "more feats" due to being older then Kang and Sub-Zero, but that's not to take away from them and the feats and powers they possess which can definitely match IF and Iceman. Liu Kang you have to realize is the best fighter in Earthrealm during the first few MK sagas...in MKU, Sub...once of the best. IF is one of the best in Marvel, correct? So how is this a "one sided battle" it's not...and not for nothing but some people are acting as if Iceman is a god, clearly not the case...
Liu Kang has defeated Shang Tsung with FAR more years experience, knowledge and fighting skills then Liu Kang yet Kang beat him/century old sorcerer, then Shao Kahn(a godlike Emperor), tons of great fighters from outworld and Goro and been the best fighter represented from Earthrealm....not exactly small feats.
I'm saying with Sub-Zero's abilities, neither does he...he's SOLID ice and has even been able to liquify himself from puddle to solid ice to more human transformation...
Watch the beginning of this vid...
And honestly I've seen no evidence on why Sub-Zero and Iceman aren't the same when clearly both control Ice/cold...Raiden would kill Iceman and Sub-Zero like nothing if he wanted to so not sure why you said, that, seems you're not aware of Raiden that much either...
He comes back even IF he's killed and so far we've only seen him kill himself, just saying...
Sub-Zero has never been killed much less rarely if ever defeated...so I couldn't say if he could come back, but one thing is true and he's far more powerful then the Elder original Sub-Zero...plus, even the MK creators said few years ago via an interview that "In MK, nobody really ever dies"
There you go....even if Sub-Zero DID die, he'd come some how...god knows other characters have.
I said that IF he could do everything that Iceman can do, he would kill everyone that he faced. Since he has never displayed that level of power, you are just trying to assume that he has it without sufficient evidence that he does.
I have never seen Sub-Zero flash freeze someone with a thought. I have only seen it happen with an attack. Nor have I seen Sub-Zero reconstitute his body out of nothing. Raiden could not kill Iceman. I have no idea where or how you came to this conclusion. At best, Raiden can destroy Iceman's body. But there is nothing stopping Bobby from creating a brand new one from the environment.
You are building a case that relies heavily on assumptions of power that is otherwise unproven. That is why I hate debating against video game characters.
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