John Constantine/Zatanna vs Dr.Doom

Current? Going with Doom.

Pre-52 however...

John Constantine lol he owned the devil he is such a badass lololololol i wanna blow him man

^most john fans^

Doom godstomps them both while being asleep (literally, his suit can work even without him being conscious)

Doom godstomps them both while being asleep (literally, his suit can work even without him being conscious)

^most Doom fans^

John has the House of Mystery. Your move, Doom.

Doom godstomps them both while being asleep (literally, his suit can work even without him being conscious)

^most Doom fans^

John has the House of Mystery. Your move, Doom.

Doom godstomps them both while being asleep (literally, his suit can work even without him being conscious)

^most Doom fans^

John has the House of Mystery. Your move, Doom.

Infinite prep time is bending the rules, and it wont make any difference at all, what can this HOM do anyway?

Doom has a time machine/time travel/time stop. Both have infinite prep, Doom has done much more with his.

The HOM is a supernatural house that exists outside of time, space and reality itself. So basically John gets infifnite prep time. John is the HOM's host and he can amnipulate it with his mind. In New 52 the HOM is JLD's headquaters.

Infinite prep time is bending the rules, as stated, but doom can also time travel and go to limbo and back for all the prep he needs.

there's no need to be cheap

You know John can BFR Doom to the HOM and make his head explode there right?

How can he BFR doom?

With a thought..

Also Doom can't kill John because the devils need him alive.

So he can literally think so and boom doom is in the HOM? May i see scans?

If he does so with magical means i doubt it will work, doom is pretty resilient against magic.

Your second argument is stupid, no offense

How is my second argument stupid? It's the truth. If you were a bit more educated about both sides you would know. I am a Doom fan too but Con Jobs takes this. He made a omnipotent being do his bidding with just a few seconds of improvisatoin. Doom is nothing to him.

How is my second argument stupid? It's the truth. If you were a bit more educated about both sides you would know. I am a Doom fan too but Con Jobs takes this. He made a omnipotent being do his bidding with just a few seconds of improvisatoin. Doom is nothing to him.

And alas here comes one of those fanboys. But unlike most fanboys, I've actually read the character so brace yourself for a tearing, son.

Doom isn't stomping anyone. Not a single one of them individually.

Doom has a time machine. Big whoop. John lives in a portal outside of time. John has defeated omnipotent/nigh's beings with absolutely 0 prep. And with prep he turned hell right on its head (heaven too). He has shamed archangels who individually posses the power to erase reality and tank multiversal blasts. He also devised the plan to take on the great evil beast and his plan worked. John's plans>anything doom has ever done.

John solos.

Zatanna solos. (seriously)

This is ridiculous overkill. Does the thread creator hate Doom or something? You just put him up against two characters that can bfr the spectre and mxy with minimal prep.

Also John beats the devil for giggles. Whereas Doom is still having trouble saving his mother from hell.

John is too crafty. His feats shame Doom's. He can also outwit anyone in comic books.

He is nowhere near as talented. He holds great power but his knowledge in the arts are fairly limited to portal opening and closing etc. Zatanna on her own would be more than a match for him. Her father one of the most powerful magicians taught her the backwards spell which she can use to basically do whatever she wants.

And alas here comes one of those fanboys. But unlike most fanboys, I've actually read the character so brace yourself for a tearing, son.

Doom isn't stomping anyone. Not a single one of them individually.

Doom has a time machine. Big whoop. John lives in a portal outside of time. John has defeated omnipotent/nigh's beings with absolutely 0 prep. And with prep he turned hell right on its head (heaven too). He has shamed archangels who individually posses the power to erase reality and tank multiversal blasts. He also devised the plan to take on the great evil beast and his plan worked. John's plans>anything doom has ever done.

John solos.

Zatanna solos. (seriously)

This is ridiculous overkill. Does the thread creator hate Doom or something? You just put him up against two characters that can bfr the spectre and mxy with minimal prep.

Also John beats the devil for giggles. Whereas Doom is still having trouble saving his mother from hell.

John is too crafty. His feats shame Doom's. He can also outwit anyone in comic books.

He is nowhere near as talented. He holds great power but his knowledge in the arts are fairly limited to portal opening and closing etc. Zatanna on her own would be more than a match for him. Her father one of the most powerful magicians taught her the backwards spell which she can use to basically do whatever she wants.

@nobody134: The House of Mysteries has reality warping abilities and since John is his owner the HoM does anything he asks. John dragged the Phantom Stranger into the HoM against his will and although the full extent of his powers is unknown, Phantom Stranger is undoubtly a rediculously powerful mage. Possibly more than Doom is.

The HoM can also change itself. It made itself look comfortable and inviting and created furnishing and food because Catwoman asked nicely.

Oh and John also killed Shazam and stole his powers, just for the record.

@darkraiden the devil that John killed was The First of the Fallen, originally created by The Presence to serve as its conscience or something, but at some point he had a retraining and became the devil, the ruler of hell or whatever you wanna call it. Until Lucifer came, that is. Long story short he's a BAMF powerful cosmic entity and John tricked him numerous times and then killed him. He describes John as his most dangerous enemy.

John also made Gabriel (an archangel on the level of Lucifer and Michael) his own personal b!tch once. He also made an entire mafia family (among other people) to kill themselves through persuasion alone.

And he has the biggest plot shields since Doctor Who.

@nobody134: The House of Mysteries has reality warping abilities and since John is his owner the HoM does anything he asks. John dragged the Phantom Stranger into the HoM against his will and although the full extent of his powers is unknown, Phantom Stranger is undoubtly a rediculously powerful mage. Possibly more than Doom is.

The HoM can also change itself. It made itself look comfortable and inviting and created furnishing and food because Catwoman asked nicely.

Oh and John also killed Shazam and stole his powers, just for the record.

@darkraiden the devil that John killed was The First of the Fallen, originally created by The Presence to serve as its conscience or something, but at some point he had a retraining and became the devil, the ruler of hell or whatever you wanna call it. Until Lucifer came, that is. Long story short he's a BAMF powerful cosmic entity and John tricked him numerous times and then killed him. He describes John as his most dangerous enemy.

John also made Gabriel (an archangel on the level of Lucifer and Michael) his own personal b!tch once. He also made an entire mafia family (among other people) to kill themselves through persuasion alone.

And he has the biggest plot shields since Doctor Who.

Both can play at the reallity warping game my friend.

doom has an Infinity Gauntlet of another universe, 2 of them, and they are usless in the 616 marvel earth because of that.

however...

doom can travel to those universes and simply warp them at will, and then it comes down to which one has a stronger pulling power, the IG or the HOM, you may call me a fanboy but i think that the IG is slightly stronger...

John's only hope of winning is being a cheap SOAB, but even then it won't do him much good, doom can be just as cheap

I know all about John. Still just....doesn't impress me. Also it conflicts with DC/Vertigo in that IIRC Lucifer and Michael existed before creation or something like that. Also pretty sure Lucifer's supposed to be the first ruler of hell and even created Hell, his own multiverse.

John suffers from featlessness. No matter what he does to higher entities, a speed blitz can still end him (and it has). He's been inconvenienced by regular thugs IIRC. He's cool to talk about, but in a fight, even a mid tier like Quicksilver should end him. Actually even street levelers like Wolverine and Black Panther should as well.

That's not stopping John from doing what he's done to Phantom Stranger.

The HoM is stupidly powerful.

The thing with Lucifer and FotF is complicated, IIRC Lucifer first appeared after the FotF, and replaced him or something... I don't know. All I know for sure is that the FotF was the ruler of hell and that John killed him.

Doom isn't Quiksilver or Wolverine, he wouldn't speedblitz John. Not to mention Zatanna's stupidly versatile and powerful, she and John have this. Doom is indeed very cool but fanboyism won't help you.

@blazinghell

So let me get this straight, you can fuck up a god in a legitimate way while being only a human? yeah dude that ain't legit no matter what way you look at it.

"You can't beat the game master at his own game? How the hell does that apply to anything here?"

it was a metaphor, meaning they can control reallity, they decide the rules to which john must obey, whether he likes it or not, those rules are called "physics", and john cant do anything against them forcefully making him dead, time means nothing, he cant outsmart them.

also, doom possess 2 infinity gauntlets (funny story) of 2 universes, he can travel to them and simply force john to come over for a visit (like john himself did to the PS).

john isn't going to solo, he got nothing within reason (owning god isn't reasonable) to fight with doom.

Zatanna is simply hit by a basic silence magic (Loki said that this was a basic magic) and she can't do anything, or doom could just stop time around the area and kill her.

or he could be cheap with IG.

Zatanna has casted non verbal backwards magic before. And again, she's stupidly powerful. She can just say "turn his armor to cement" (backwards of course) and boom, Doom's incapitated.

And Doom can't do to John the same thing because John is in the HoM which exists out of time and reality. As far as the IG is concerned, John doesn't even exist.

Also John is the only one who managed to resist the magic of Pandora's Box (other than Frankenstein bu that's coz he's dead). It even corrupted guys like Superman, Shazam, Wonder Woman and more.

That's not stopping John from doing what he's done to Phantom Stranger.

The HoM is stupidly powerful.

The thing with Lucifer and FotF is complicated, IIRC Lucifer first appeared after the FotF, and replaced him or something... I don't know. All I know for sure is that the FotF was the ruler of hell and that John killed him.

Doom isn't Quiksilver or Wolverine, he wouldn't speedblitz John. Not to mention Zatanna's stupidly versatile and powerful, she and John have this. Doom is indeed very cool but fanboyism won't help you.

Oh ok so he needed Strange's help to do it good. John did it on his own. As a matter of fact he turned hell upside down on his OWN. Has done worse things too.

FoF has no feats? Obviously you have never read Hellblazer to come up with that statement (that in itself is a trend of stupidity). And no Mephisto cannot warp reality on the same scale without plot. He himsels has admitted to his limitations on earth. Plain and simple he isn't in the same rank as FoF who routinely owns other lords of hell.

Lol. What are you talking about. Have you ever read a FF4 issue? The ff4 stomp him all the time. Hell, Reed has stomped him by himself and that is increasingly more insulting because Reed is not a great prepper. A genius yes but not impressive on prep and he has soloed Doom before.

Doom can't die because of Hate/Willpower? That is the most nonsensical thing I have heard today. Who is he Darth Vader? LOL. Is he immortal now? How about those times where he DIED? Yeaaaa. I guess it didn't work then.

LOl. How can you be "effectively omnipotent" you either are or you aren't. Also tell us about the time where he took the beyonder's powers and then proceeded to getting stomped by the beyonder regardless (who by the way needed galactus' help to do it). EPIC DOOM FAIL. Who is showing the patterns of stupidity now? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I wonder.

hahaahahhaahaaha. You can't really find a plausible way of how Doom can take this so you have to have him cheat by bringing in the IG. Guess what...He still losses. John can just as easily take over the books of magic and rule reality to his bidding. You are just reaching for straws now.

Seriously. This has been done before around 20 times. John vs Doom. look it up, peeps. In every single thread Doom gets embarrassed. This is just another John vs Doom thread in disguise in a lame attempt at making Doom the winner. He gets stomped here even worse. By them together or individually.

With prep Doom can bring his Hex Nullifier device.

Oh ok so he needed Strange's help to do it good. John did it on his own. As a matter of fact he turned hell upside down on his OWN. Has done worse things too.

FoF has no feats? Obviously you have never read Hellblazer to come up with that statement (that in itself is a trend of stupidity). And no Mephisto cannot warp reality on the same scale without plot. He himsels has admitted to his limitations on earth. Plain and simple he isn't in the same rank as FoF who routinely owns other lords of hell.

Lol. What are you talking about. Have you ever read a FF4 issue? The ff4 stomp him all the time. Hell, Reed has stomped him by himself and that is increasingly more insulting because Reed is not a great prepper. A genius yes but not impressive on prep and he has soloed Doom before.

Doom can't die because of Hate/Willpower? That is the most nonsensical thing I have heard today. Who is he Darth Vader? LOL. Is he immortal now? How about those times where he DIED? Yeaaaa. I guess it didn't work then.

LOl. How can you be "effectively omnipotent" you either are or you aren't. Also tell us about the time where he took the beyonder's powers and then proceeded to getting stomped by the beyonder regardless (who by the way needed galactus' help to do it). EPIC DOOM FAIL. Who is showing the patterns of stupidity now? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I wonder.

hahaahahhaahaaha. You can't really find a plausible way of how Doom can take this so you have to have him cheat by bringing in the IG. Guess what...He still losses. John can just as easily take over the books of magic and rule reality to his bidding. You are just reaching for straws now.

Seriously. This has been done before around 20 times. John vs Doom. look it up, peeps. In every single thread Doom gets embarrassed. This is just another John vs Doom thread in disguise in a lame attempt at making Doom the winner. He gets stomped here even worse. By them together or individually.